Leyland lost game 4

[tigers99888]

What a bunch of babies. Simple fact is that the Tigers have 2 reliable relievers and Texas has 4-5. So, Texas has a huge advantage in extra inning games. Benoit and Valverde are forced to pitch every night and relievers get tired and miss their location when they are over worked.

The problem is that Albuqueque suddenly became useless after being nearly unhittable for months.

You seem like the type of fan that loves to rip other for given any criticism to their own team.. Sure texas has a better bullpen, but they had horrible SPing and the Tigers didn't capitalize on it.. And with better decision making, this game would have been decided in a Tiger win..

 

[zoombabyzoom]

You shut the hell up Leyland did not lose this game. The fact that we can get hits is at fault.

Furthermore, its more than just not getting hits we are not even hitting the ball hard or taking good approaches at the plate.

Leyland and the way he used the pitching staff has been great. You hold the Rangers to 3 runs, you win. Except if your offense has to rely on Brandon Inge.

 

[tigers99888]

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]You shut the hell up Leyland did not lose this game. The fact that we can get hits is at fault.

Furthermore, its more than just not getting hits we are not even hitting the ball hard or taking good approaches at the plate.

Leyland and the way he used the pitching staff has been great. You hold the Rangers to 3 runs, you win. Except if your offense has to rely on Brandon Inge.

It's a combination of hitting and coaching.. Last time I checked, the Rangers haven't been hitting much either until extra innings of course.. The coaches don't get off scott free I'm afraid..

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Leyland had to send Jackson there, had to. Our offense can't get hits and REALLY cant get hits with runners in scoring position.

Rangers havent been hitting till the later innings because our pullpen consists of three arms (two of which are only supposed to be 1 inning). Leyland was thinking if we don't score here we are going to lose because Perry, Al, etc can't do anything.

Leyland and the pitching staff held the great Rangers lineup to only 3 runs. Problem is Leyland has nothing to work with on offense. Young and Martinez both hurting bad, Boesch is out. Avila is probably exhausted. Meanwhile our offense relies on Jackson, Santiago, Kelly, Raburn, and Inge. We really only had two hitters worth anything in our lineup while the Rangers had 8.

 

[biggunsbob]

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]You shut the hell up Leyland did not lose this game. The fact that we can get hits is at fault.

Furthermore, its more than just not getting hits we are not even hitting the ball hard or taking good approaches at the plate.

Leyland and the way he used the pitching staff has been great. You hold the Rangers to 3 runs, you win. Except if your offense has to rely on Brandon Inge.

He and his coaching staff made a lot of bad decisions tonight.. I agree that 5 hits will not get it done but a truly great manager helps his team win this game... This staff had 5-7 decision that were really questionable... But maybe we start hitting and win 3 in a row like 68...
Jim and his staff had a rough night... But five hits is not going to get it done. Jim and his coaches really had a bad game if you looked you would see that...

1. Young should not be playing. He is hurt and can Hardly run .. Bad fielder and hitting cost at least 2 runs.

2. Throwing 300 pitches to first base to hold Elvis was dumb.. You could see porcello fading. (you had a 2-2 count on young)

3. Sending Miguel from third.. How dumb was that? Even Rickey Henderson is thrown out.

4. Young should have been lifted for Kelly. Hurt player verses hottest hitter Lefty/right. Beltre may play in a step
with Kelly batting who knows.

5. Walking 0-4 Beltre who is hurt is beyond laughable for Napoli that hittest hitter in september in baseball
that was so stupid. You pitch to Adrian and Mike...

6. Jose Valverde second inning... HELLO NON-SAVE. HE PITCHED ONE GOOD INNING. TWO IS ASKING FOR IT.

7. Everyone knows Hamilton swings at the first pitch but JOse

Maybe they can start hitting and win three in a row... 68 tigers did..

 

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What a bunch of babies. Simple fact is that the Tigers have 2 reliable relievers and Texas has 4-5. So, Texas has a huge advantage in extra inning games. Benoit and Valverde are forced to pitch every night and relievers get tired and miss their location when they are over worked.

The problem is that Albuqueque suddenly became useless after being nearly unhittable for months.

Finally something we agree on Jim.

And Albuquerque has not been the same since the ball off his noggin and resulting Hematoma.

 

[tigers99888]

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]Leyland had to send Jackson there, had to. Our offense can't get hits and REALLY cant get hits with runners in scoring position.

NO one argued sending Jackson, it's about sending Miggy in the 8th and testing Cruz

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]Rangers havent been hitting till the later innings because our pullpen consists of three arms (two of which are only supposed to be 1 inning). Leyland was thinking if we don't score here we are going to lose because Perry, Al, etc can't do anything.

Again the dumbfuck decision was in the 8th before the Pen was used much.. Remember Porcello went 6 2/3 while Texas' starter went 5...

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]Leyland and the pitching staff held the great Rangers lineup to only 3 runs. Problem is Leyland has nothing to work with on offense. Young and Martinez both hurting bad, Boesch is out. Avila is probably exhausted. Meanwhile our offense relies on Jackson, Santiago, Kelly, Raburn, and Inge. We really only had two hitters worth anything in our lineup while the Rangers had 8.

I like how you credit Leyland for holding them to 3 runs then ripping on us for saying he costs up some runs... Which is it? Be consistent.. I agree being shorthanded and injured sucks, but the Rangers have dealt with injuries most of the year as well and in the playoffs, anything goes.. Just ask the Cardinals without Wainewright, a traded Rasmus, and the Pujols debacle..

 

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biggunsbob[/color]]
[quote="Rich what? Richmond!":etbw3ue0]You shut the hell up Leyland did not lose this game. The fact that we can get hits is at fault.

Furthermore, its more than just not getting hits we are not even hitting the ball hard or taking good approaches at the plate.

Leyland and the way he used the pitching staff has been great. You hold the Rangers to 3 runs, you win. Except if your offense has to rely on Brandon Inge.

He and his coaching staff made a lot of bad decisions tonight.. I agree that 5 hits will not get it done but a truly great manager helps his team win this game... This staff had 5-7 decision that were really questionable... But maybe we start hitting and win 3 in a row like 68...
Jim and his staff had a rough night... But five hits is not going to get it done. Jim and his coaches really had a bad game if you looked you would see that...
1. Young should not be playing. He is hurt and can Hardly run .. Bad fielder and hitting cost at least 2-3 runs

2. Throwing 300 pitches to first base to hold Elvis was dumb.. You could see porcello fading. (you had a 2-2 count on young)

3. Sending Miguel from third.. How dumb was that? Even Rickey Henderson is thrown out.

4. Young should have been lifted for Kelly. Hurt player verses hottest hitter Lefty/right. Beltre may play in a step
with Kelly batting who knows.

5. Walking 0-4 Beltre who is hurt is beyond laughable for Napoli that hittest hitter in september in baseball
that was so stupid. You pitch to Adrian and Mike...

6. Jose Valverde second inning... HELLO NON-SAVE. HE PITCHED ONE GOOD INNING. TWO IS ASKING FOR IT.

7. Everyone knows Hamilton swings at the first pitch but JOse

Maybe they can start hitting and win three in a row... 68 tigers did..
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Part # 1 Bob, he cost us 1 run max. I don't see where you get 2-3 from, unless you think someone else would have RBI or HR in the AB's that Delmon had.

 

[tigers99888]

What a bunch of babies. Simple fact is that the Tigers have 2 reliable relievers and Texas has 4-5. So, Texas has a huge advantage in extra inning games. Benoit and Valverde are forced to pitch every night and relievers get tired and miss their location when they are over worked.

The problem is that Albuqueque suddenly became useless after being nearly unhittable for months.

Finally something we agree on Jim.

And Albuquerque has not been the same since the ball off his noggin and resulting Hematoma.

Ok explain the 8th inning gaffe? Especially with Porcello going deeper than the opposing pitcher.. And like I said, anything goes.. Al AL being terrible is one variable after another.. Cardinals are in the NLCS without their ace..

 

[biggunsbob]

[quote="biggunsbob":3jlwy38p]


He and his coaching staff made a lot of bad decisions tonight.. I agree that 5 hits will not get it done but a truly great manager helps his team win this game... This staff had 5-7 decision that were really questionable... But maybe we start hitting and win 3 in a row like 68...
Jim and his staff had a rough night... But five hits is not going to get it done. Jim and his coaches really had a bad game if you looked you would see that...
1. Young should not be playing. He is hurt and can Hardly run .. Bad fielder and hitting cost at least 2-3 runs

2. Throwing 300 pitches to first base to hold Elvis was dumb.. You could see porcello fading. (you had a 2-2 count on young)

3. Sending Miguel from third.. How dumb was that? Even Rickey Henderson is thrown out.

4. Young should have been lifted for Kelly. Hurt player verses hottest hitter Lefty/right. Beltre may play in a step
with Kelly batting who knows.

5. Walking 0-4 Beltre who is hurt is beyond laughable for Napoli that hittest hitter in september in baseball
that was so stupid. You pitch to Adrian and Mike...

6. Jose Valverde second inning... HELLO NON-SAVE. HE PITCHED ONE GOOD INNING. TWO IS ASKING FOR IT.

7. Everyone knows Hamilton swings at the first pitch but JOse

Maybe they can start hitting and win three in a row... 68 tigers did..

Part # 1 Bob, he cost us 1 run max. I don't see where you get 2-3 from, unless you think someone else would have RBI or HR in the AB's that Delmon had.[/quote:3jlwy38p]

Both hitting and fielding... Probably just 2... His bobble and not getting Miguel in from third. But then it has happend all post season... with less then two outs..

 

[biggunsbob]

If young fields the ball cleanly Murphy is on third... It dribbled by him...

 

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biggunsbob[/color]]
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Part # 1 Bob, he cost us 1 run max. I don't see where you get 2-3 from, unless you think someone else would have RBI or HR in the AB's that Delmon had.

Both hitting and fielding... Probably just 2... His bobble and not getting Miguel in from third. But then it has happend all post season... with less then two outs..[/quote:4p0vgich]


Yea, thats why I said 1 run.

the Murphy hit for sure, as far as when he was at the plate...we fail all the time with RISP, no reason to expect him being healthy would have been any different, and his swing looked ok anyhow, when he could find the fuckign ball.

 

[biggunsbob]

Kelly has had much better at bats recently since DY has been hurt... You have to score that run... We have failed so many times with a runner in third and less then 2 outs this post season especially. I did not feel good about young batting hurt.

 

[biggunsbob]

[quote="biggunsbob":3sv1443c]

Both hitting and fielding... Probably just 2... His bobble and not getting Miguel in from third. But then it has happend all post season... with less then two outs..

Yea, thats why I said 1 run.

the Murphy hit for sure, as far as when he was at the plate...we fail all the time with RISP, no reason to expect him being healthy would have been any different, and his swing looked ok anyhow, when he could find the fuckign ball.[/quote:3sv1443c]


Gotta give him a -2... It is a fail big time...All the players who have failed with a runner on third and less then two outs need a different approach. Because the one McClendon is having them use is not very good.

 

[jimrice]

What a bunch of babies. Simple fact is that the Tigers have 2 reliable relievers and Texas has 4-5. So, Texas has a huge advantage in extra inning games. Benoit and Valverde are forced to pitch every night and relievers get tired and miss their location when they are over worked.

The problem is that Albuqueque suddenly became useless after being nearly unhittable for months.

You seem like the type of fan that loves to rip other for given any criticism to their own team.. Sure texas has a better bullpen, but they had horrible SPing and the Tigers didn't capitalize on it.. And with better decision making, this game would have been decided in a Tiger win..

Porcello made a bad error. Delmon misplayed a ball. The team didn't hit enough.

Blaming the manager/coaches for this loss is something a little baby does.

Criticism is not the same as whining. You have been whining.

 

[tigers99888]

You seem like the type of fan that loves to rip other for given any criticism to their own team.. Sure texas has a better bullpen, but they had horrible SPing and the Tigers didn't capitalize on it.. And with better decision making, this game would have been decided in a Tiger win..

Porcello made a bad error. Delmon misplayed a ball. The team didn't hit enough.

Blaming the manager/coaches for this loss is something a little baby does.

Criticism is not the same as whining. You have been whining.

You need to look up a dictionary then.. You are just bitching at others IMO.. I blame players also btw, read my posts before you make baseless claims..

 

[hellifino]

bottom of the 8th... I'd still take my chances of Kelly scoring and the Tigers go on to win over, Cabrera getting up again and not having the bat taken out of his hands anyway.if it was earlier in the game, then that would be different. there was only one out at the time, and who knows maybe a weak ground ball would have scored Kelly from 3rd.

 

[tomdalton22]

You guys that are blaming Leyland for this loss are fucking morons! None of you know that any of the other decisions that he could have made would have created a different outcome. He did make some questionable decisions IMO but the outcome of this game is 100% on the players....both Tigers and Rangers.

 

[byco42]

You guys that are blaming Leyland for this loss are fucking morons! None of you know that any of the other decisions that he could have made would have created a different outcome. He did make some questionable decisions IMO but the outcome of this game is 100% on the players....both Tigers and Rangers.

Okay. Right. Just the same way that the shattering of Pickett's division at Gettysburg is on Private Jones, Sgt. Smith and General Pickett himself.

Robert E. Lee had nothing to do with it. It was a "questionable decision" on his part, but if failed because the troops "didn't execute."

Cabrera was not just fast enough to score. Valverde, for reasons unknown, but plain as the stats show, cannot perform with the same effectiveness in non-save circumstances, so let's run him out there for two innings, oh and walk the injured guy to pitch to the guy with the best BA in the AL since the ASG. And to the guy after him who has already hit three home runs against us.

The "unknown outcome" scenario? Uh. Uh. Not applicable, because the decisions made on their face were stupid ones; even if they had worked out.

 

[mikem2780]

I'm not defending Leyland in the least bit, I agree he made some questionable, at best, decisions in this game. But regardless of all that, the blame for this game, just like the other 2 the Tigers lost in this series rests solely on the offense. Texas is not running Cy Young winners out there. They have a #2 in CJ Wilson, then a bunch of 3's and 4's. If the Tigers can only muster 3-4 runs a game off these guys, they can't expect to win. Too many chances have been squandered and when we look back at this series the one number that will stick out and explain everything is their numbers with RISP.