Leyland lost game 4

[tomdalton22]

You guys that are blaming Leyland for this loss are fucking morons! None of you know that any of the other decisions that he could have made would have created a different outcome. He did make some questionable decisions IMO but the outcome of this game is 100% on the players....both Tigers and Rangers.

Okay. Right. Just the same way that the shattering of Pickett's division at Gettysburg is on Private Jones, Sgt. Smith and General Pickett himself.

Robert E. Lee had nothing to do with it. It was a "questionable decision" on his part, but if failed because the troops "didn't execute."

Cabrera was not just fast enough to score. Valverde, for reasons unknown, but plain as the stats show, cannot perform with the same effectiveness in non-save circumstances, so let's run him out there for two innings, oh and walk the injured guy to pitch to the guy with the best BA in the AL since the ASG. And to the guy after him who has already hit three home runs against us.

The "unknown outcome" scenario? Uh. Uh. Not applicable, because the decisions made on their face were stupid ones; even if they had worked out.

So you bring Perry or Penny in to pitch the 10th and 11th? Fucking brilliant!

 

[beez]

What a bunch of babies. Simple fact is that the Tigers have 2 reliable relievers and Texas has 4-5. So, Texas has a huge advantage in extra inning games. Benoit and Valverde are forced to pitch every night and relievers get tired and miss their location when they are over worked.

The problem is that Albuqueque suddenly became useless after being nearly unhittable for months.

Not to mention most RP's are great because they are rarely seen. When you get to see a RP over and over through a series they're usually much easier to hit than before.

 

[byco42]

Okay. Right. Just the same way that the shattering of Pickett's division at Gettysburg is on Private Jones, Sgt. Smith and General Pickett himself.

Robert E. Lee had nothing to do with it. It was a "questionable decision" on his part, but if failed because the troops "didn't execute."

Cabrera was not just fast enough to score. Valverde, for reasons unknown, but plain as the stats show, cannot perform with the same effectiveness in non-save circumstances, so let's run him out there for two innings, oh and walk the injured guy to pitch to the guy with the best BA in the AL since the ASG. And to the guy after him who has already hit three home runs against us.

The "unknown outcome" scenario? Uh. Uh. Not applicable, because the decisions made on their face were stupid ones; even if they had worked out.

So you bring Perry or Penny in to pitch the 10th and 11th? Fucking brilliant!

It's the two innings I'm contesting. How long do you go with him? The longer he's out there, the more likely he gets knocked around. If he holds the Rangers in the 11th and the Tigers don't score, does he go out in the 12th? 13th?

 

[tycobb420]

Leyland did not lose Game 4. That is just nonsense. Texas has a significantly better bullpen when it comes to depth. The Tigers need to blast TX SPs early and avoid a bullpen contest.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

And yes sending Miggy home against Cruz was a questionable call. Leyland probably thinking its either this or see if Avila can get a hit with 2 outs and runner on the corners. Tough spot there with Avila not doing anything at the plate. I can easily see everyone jumping on Leyland if we didn't send him there and Avila failed to get the run in.

 

[hellifino]

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]And yes sending Miggy home against Cruz was a questionable call. Leyland probably thinking its either this or see if Avila can get a hit with 2 outs and runner on the corners. Tough spot there with Avila not doing anything at the plate. I can easily see everyone jumping on Leyland if we didn't send him there and Avila failed to get the run in.

what puzzled me is, why not have Kelly pinch run for Cabrera, it wasn't like Cabrera was going to get a chance to hit again, they int. walked him that inning with no one on, there's no chance Washington was going to let him beat him.

 

[tomdalton22]

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]And yes sending Miggy home against Cruz was a questionable call. Leyland probably thinking its either this or see if Avila can get a hit with 2 outs and runner on the corners. Tough spot there with Avila not doing anything at the plate. I can easily see everyone jumping on Leyland if we didn't send him there and Avila failed to get the run in.

what puzzled me is, why not have Kelly pinch run for Cabrera, it wasn't like Cabrera was going to get a chance to hit again, they int. walked him that inning with no one on, there's no chance Washington was going to let him beat him.

No way in hell I ever pinch run for Miggy. He is the only bat they have. That game could have gone 15 innings. If you are going to bring Kelly in that particular situation I think you have him PH for Young.

 

[hellifino]

what puzzled me is, why not have Kelly pinch run for Cabrera, it wasn't like Cabrera was going to get a chance to hit again, they int. walked him that inning with no one on, there's no chance Washington was going to let him beat him.

No way in hell I ever pinch run for Miggy. He is the only bat they have. That game could have gone 15 innings. If you are going to bring Kelly in that particular situation I think you have him PH for Young.

under any other circumstance I wouldn't either. Cabrera just ran from 1st to 3rd, he was tired, and having a fresh pair of much faster legs would have gaven them a better chance of scoring the run. as it stands if he would have scored and held them in the top of the ninth we would have won the game. and it wasn't like Cabrera was going to get anything to swing at the rest of the game, they int. walked him to start the inning with no one on tells me Washington was just gonna walk him the rest of the game anyway.

 

[byco42]

You can't pitch run the batting champion with one out when he's 90 feet from home plate when he has another chance to bat. You can't pinch run for him in any circumstances, actually.

 

[suh]

Leyland needed to grow some balls and pinch run for Cabrera. Bottom of the 8th, with Valverde perfect on save oportunities, you go for the win.

 

[hellifino]

You can't pitch run the batting champion with one out when he's 90 feet from home plate when he has another chance to bat. You can't pinch run for him in any circumstances, actually.

another chance to bat, when? Washington would have walked him to get to Martinez like he done previously.

 

[hellifino]

Leyland needed to grow some balls and pinch run for Cabrera. Bottom of the 8th, with Valverde perfect on save oportunities, you go for the win.

yep, what these guys don't realize is Cabrera's bat was dead to us, he wouldn't have seen a pitch to hit the rest of the game. even if Young hit a weak grounder some where, Kelly would have scored, can they say the same about Cabrera.

 

[tomdalton22]

No way in hell I ever pinch run for Miggy. He is the only bat they have. That game could have gone 15 innings. If you are going to bring Kelly in that particular situation I think you have him PH for Young.

under any other circumstance I wouldn't either. Cabrera just ran from 1st to 3rd, he was tired, and having a fresh pair of much faster legs would have gaven them a better chance of scoring the run. as it stands if he would have scored and held them in the top of the ninth we would have won the game. and it wasn't like Cabrera was going to get anything to swing at the rest of the game, they int. walked him to start the inning with no one on tells me Washington was just gonna walk him the rest of the game anyway.

A walk in this lineup is as good as a hit. You never know if he were to come up with men on 2nd and 3rd or bases loaded. Unless he is hurt....with the Tiger's current lineup....you NEVER pinch run for Miggy.

 

[suh]

You play for the win down 2-1. Valverde is 51-51. Lets say he did have one blown save though. Your chances of winning are 98%. In extras you probably only have a 40-50% chance of winning with the bullpen Texas throws out. Play the percentages. Also, most games do not go into extras, therefore, with a tie game with a runner on third you play as if they are not going to happen.

 

[tomdalton22]

You play for the win down 2-1. Valverde is 51-51. Lets say he did have one blown save though. Your chances of winning are 98%. In extras you probably only have a 40-50% chance of winning with the bullpen Texas throws out. Play the percentages. Also, most games do not go into extras, therefore, with a tie game with a runner on third you play as if they are not going to happen.

Unless it is Miggy!

 

[tycobb420]

You don't take Cabrera out of a game unless it's a blowout. geez. People stop rationalizing this and trying to assign blame. The Rangers are winning the series and nothing Leyland has done or could have done would change that. Period. Unless the guys start getting knocks in key spots, it's over.

 

[biggunsbob]

Anyone who cannot see that Jim and his staff had a really subpar game are just blind homers... Yes we lost because we are not hitting but a really great manager helps his team win that game last night.. There is no reason for Leyland lovers to be mad at poster for questioning some really debatable moves last night.. Jim is a good manager just not a great one.
Hey but maybe the sticks wake up and the pitching shuts out CTexas and we can win three in a row.

 

[biggunsbob]

You play for the win down 2-1. Valverde is 51-51. Lets say he did have one blown save though. Your chances of winning are 98%. In extras you probably only have a 40-50% chance of winning with the bullpen Texas throws out. Play the percentages. Also, most games do not go into extras, therefore, with a tie game with a runner on third you play as if they are not going to happen.

Jim got one great inning out of Valverde asking for another on considering Jose poor play in non save situations is asking for it.. Heck Hamilton was leading off. I mean Josh is only 2 for 7 verses Coke lifetime and Phil can handle Lefty's... Just another move Jim di not make last night..

 

[tomdalton22]

biggunsbob[/color]]Anyone who cannot see that Jim and his staff had a really subpar game are just blind homers... Yes we lost because we are not hitting but a really great manager helps his team win that game last night.. There is no reason for Leyland lovers to be mad at poster for questioning some really debatable moves last night.. Jim is a good manager just not a great one.
Hey but maybe the sticks wake up and the pitching shuts out CTexas and we can win three in a row.

Yes....a sub par game.....along with most of the players. There is plenty of blame to go around. I think Texas is just a better team.

 

[biggunsbob]

The bad thing is Jim does not think he had a sub-par game when it is clear he really did..


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