Lions ask to talk to Wisenhunt

[Mitchrapp]

You'd think if he was the first choice they'd open up a bit. Unless Tennessee outbid us by a lot. Or Maybew didn't even want a hybrid..

 

[mhughes0021]

Came down to money then? No brainer ...

cause that's ok? we just paid a coach millions to fire him. And we cant even pay "our guy" the right amount of money??? Im sure we'll get more of the story as time goes on....but this first detail really pisses me off. Theres more too it than just being outbid though....whiz definitely idnt think this was a very good job....just waiting to hear why.

 

[tonyballs]

cause that's ok? we just paid a coach millions to fire him. And we cant even pay "our guy" the right amount of money??? Im sure we'll get more of the story as time goes on....but this first detail really pisses me off. Theres more too it than just being outbid though....whiz definitely idnt think this was a very good job....just waiting to hear why.

Im not saying its ok but i understand it. its about the money with some of these guys.

More of the story? Wtf do you want to hear? Did you see the Whiz's presser? He basically acknowledged/thanked being sought after by the Browns and Lions and said it came to "chemistry". He felt Tennessee was the better fit. You're just looking for a reason to rake Mayhew over the coals like you always do. Get the fuck over it. He's not our coach.

 

[jdeb]

Whisenhunt not running a 3-4 in Tenn. hybrid front.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10294237/tennessee-titans-introduce-ken-whisenhunt-coach

Looks like the Lions purely got outbid. The Schwartz strikes again (Or Lewand, fucking drunk).

Don't believe it. Whiz did not care for the Lions front office and felt more comfortable with the culture and direction of the Titans. He also gets personnel control in Titan land. Not in Detroit. Not about money. This is media spin started by Lions PR staff.

 

[tonyballs]

Don't believe it. Whiz did not care for the Lions front office and felt more comfortable with the culture and direction of the Titans. He also gets personnel control in Titan land. Not in Detroit. Not about money. This is media spin started by Lions PR staff.

You have insiders? Because if you dont its pure speculation on your part.

 

[alanclark]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Titans are paying Ken Whisenhunt $1 million more a season than the Detroit Lions offered him.

ESPN?s Ed Werder has even more details of why Whisenhunt chose to sign on as Tennessee?s new coach.

Part of it was that the team was "overly aggressive'' financially in the words of a source familiar with the negotiations. League sources told Werder the deal is longer than the typical four years and fully guaranteed. Coaching deals are generally guaranteed, so the choice of words suggested this one may include no offsets. That would allow a fired Whisenhunt to work elsewhere and collect his salary from the Titans in addition to getting paid by a new employer.

I have confirmed that is the case and that the coach the Titans recently fired, Mike Munchak, does have offset language in his contract.

The Titans will pay Munchak $3 million for 2014. But if he gets the top job in Cleveland or coaches the offensive line for Houston, Tennessee would only be on the hook for the difference between the $3 million and his new salary.

ESPN?s John Clayton tells me no offset language like Whisenhunt got in "very rare" in a coach's contract.

More on Whisenhunt per Werder?s sources:

As Whisenhunt said at his introductory press conference, he was impressed with general manager Ruston Webster and sees him as a partner in building the team. Whisenhunt is also convinced he will have more influence and control then he ever would have had with the Lions or Browns.

While Whisenhunt was impressed with the Lions roster of players, closer inspection prompted questions about whether he could build a talented and deep team with three players ? quarterback Matthew Stafford, receiver Calvin Johnson and defensive tackle Ndamakung Suh -- commanding such a high percentage of the salary cap.

 

[lucke]

apparently, Whiz also felt more comfortable with the area, since he used to coach at Vandy. more money, greater control over personnel moves, more cap flexibility, and a familiarity to the city of Nashville. i'd choose the titans over the lions in that situation too.

 

[Mitchrapp]

apparently, Whiz also felt more comfortable with the area, since he used to coach at Vandy. more money, greater control over personnel moves, more cap flexibility, and a familiarity to the city of Nashville. i'd choose the titans over the lions in that situation too.

In Tenn. there's a chance they win a playoff game or more. That's the advantage. It might not be much of a chance but still. I was in my 20's the last time..holy crop. Such a long time ago.

 

[jdeb]

You have insiders? Because if you dont its pure speculation on your part.

I heard HIS comments on XM radio and alanclark did mention a little below. Whiz said nothing about money.

Lions are scrambling from a PR standpoint as also mentioned on XM this morning. They play'd their cards wrong by monitoring "the plane at the airport" coverage.

Stupid. All they do is put fires out left and right. Very reactionary organization.

 

[LKP]

Everything is speculation. Even if Whiz says it wasn't about the money publicly, that doesn't mean jack. Of course everyone wants more money if given the opportunity.


3-4/4-3, personnel power, money, location. Whiz had the right and the Lions have the right to offer less and use a 4-3 with Mayhew calling the shots. And Detroit is Detroit compared to Nashville.

 

[grandy]

Leinart weighed in on the Whisenhunt/Warner situation

"Matt Leinart played for Ken Whisenhunt for three seasons in Arizona. Leinart was not impressed with his coach.

Asked on FOX Sports Live whether Whisenhunt will succeed in Tennessee, Leinart expressed skepticism, saying that Whisenhunt is wrongly credited for getting the 2008 Cardinals to the Super Bowl. According to Leinart, it was Kurt Warner who ran the offense that season, not only on the field but in meetings, where Leinart says Warner devised the game plans and Whisenhunt did nothing more than go along for the ride.

“I don’t think it’s a great fit, and I don’t think it’s great timing, and here’s why,” Leinart said of the Titans hiring Whisenhunt. “You look at his tenure in Arizona — only two years, he had success, and in those two years, Kurt Warner ran that football team — I was a part of it. Every single Monday, Kurt Warner would come in and implement 20 to 30 new plays which he would say ‘I want these in my game plan.’ We became a spread offense and we became Kurt Warner’s offense. Then Kurt Warner retires, they go 5-11 twice and they go 8-8.”

For his part, Warner said on NFL Network that he thinks Whisenhunt will do a great job with the Titans. Warner added, however, that he thought the Lions — who also wanted Whisenhunt — would have been a better choice for what Whisenhunt brings to the table.

“I’m excited for my old coach Ken Whisenhunt and the job down in Tennessee,” Warner said. “I think I’m a little bit surprised like my most people; you felt like a better fit might be in Detroit just because of the pieces that he had, specifically the quarterback he had there.”

Leinart said he doesn’t think the Titans will succeed with Whisenhunt because Jake Locker isn’t the answer at quarterback. Asked directly if he likes Whisenhunt, Leinart laughed incredulously and answered, “Do I like Whisenhunt?”

I’d take that as a no."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...warner-not-whisenhunt-got-us-to-a-super-bowl/

 

[tonyballs]

I heard HIS comments on XM radio and alanclark did mention a little below. Whiz said nothing about money.

Lions are scrambling from a PR standpoint as also mentioned on XM this morning. They play'd their cards wrong by monitoring "the plane at the airport" coverage.

Stupid. All they do is put fires out left and right. Very reactionary organization.

Of course he never said anything about money. They never do

 

[jdeb]

Of course he never said anything about money. They never do

Well I was not being speculative as mentioned. I can only go by what the man said. Actually, everyone else is speculating.

 

[tonyballs]

Well I was not being speculative as mentioned. I can only go by what the man said. Actually, everyone else is speculating.

5x more money in Tennessee, right?