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[johnny2x2x]

Some people regard the Patriots as one of the best drafting teams out there. Go look at their history they miss a TON. Every team does, your lucky to hit on about 2 of your picks every year. You'll hit more, with the more picks you have which makes it seem like the Patriots know what they are doing. But in all reality they hit on the same rate as almost all teams, they just have more picks so it seems like they always draft well.

23 of the Patriots drafts picks from 2010-2012 were on the roster at the end of last season. For the Lions it was like 8 or 9. That Patriots team is made up of almost all draft picks. They bring in a couple FAs, but it's a team built on the cheap by the draft each season. The Patriots get about 6-8 players in each draft that make the team and stick, the Lions get about 3-4 per draft. It's all about money, you have to be able to draft solid contributors so you can get them for cheap during their rookie contracts, it's the only way to succeed.

I've done some comparisons in the past, the facts are the facts, the Lions gets less from their draft each year than any other team in the league. Look at our last several drafts man, it's ridiculous, we have 53 roster spots, and we fill only a few spots with new players each year.

 

[tomdalton22]

23 of the Patriots drafts picks from 2010-2012 were on the roster at the end of last season. For the Lions it was like 8 or 9. That Patriots team is made up of almost all draft picks. They bring in a couple FAs, but it's a team built on the cheap by the draft each season. The Patriots get about 6-8 players in each draft that make the team and stick, the Lions get about 3-4 per draft. It's all about money, you have to be able to draft solid contributors so you can get them for cheap during their rookie contracts, it's the only way to succeed.

I've done some comparisons in the past, the facts are the facts, the Lions gets less from their draft each year than any other team in the league. Look at our last several drafts man, it's ridiculous, we have 53 roster spots, and we fill only a few spots with new players each year.

and you would think with how shitty the Lions have been that these kids out of college would be able to contribute!

 

[inkfreq]

The Pats are the cream of the crop when it comes to drafting. They have more success than anyone and if every other team could do what they do, it would be a whole different league.

Rather than bashing the Lions drafts for not being that quality, just recognize how good that Pats are at what they do.

And on that note, don't compare a regime that has been in place since 2000 to one that has been in place since 2009. Thats a heck of a difference in the numbe rof years they have had to stabilize their programs.

Bellicheck didn't have those wiz-bang drafts right off the bat, but Lions fans expect Schwartz to have them. It takes years to cultivate that kind of system, where you can lose start players and replace them easily, where you have the kind of depth that allows you to make any move you need and just plug in the hole.

A coach that has been in place for 13 years has a big leg up on the guy with 4 seasons under his belt.

 

[mhughes0021]

and you would think with how shitty the Lions have been that these kids out of college would be able to contribute!

We promote suckiness. Every offseason I have read some gushy mancrush crap about crayola....then I watch him suck all year.

 

[LKP]

I look at it differently. Making the playoffs in 2011 doesn't matter now since they were a one and done and went 4-12 the following year. iirc they traded up to get Best so they used another asset to acquire a player that in 22 career games over 3 seasons did the following:

255 carries, 945 yards, 3.7 yards per carry and 6 TDs
85 rec, 774 yards, 9.1 YPC and 3 TDs

They didn't lose an asset. They gained an asset in Best and just swapped picks. We'll see how Fox pans out this year. And now they have Bush due to the injury to Best. I'll take 2011 Best and then realizing they need a Best type once it was certain Best was done and signing Reggie Bush. The future looks bright at speed/receiving RB without using another draft pick even. With LeShoure unknown going into 2012 and Bell's receiving in hindsight, not getting a speed RB before the 2012 season is somewhat justified.

Lions moving the ball wasn't even the main problem. Turnovers, 2 special team games and some defensive lapses playing some backup secondary players were more of the problem for 4-12. And unexpected poor DE play following strong 2010/2011 DE play in pass rush at least.

 

[tomdalton22]

The Pats are the cream of the crop when it comes to drafting. They have more success than anyone and if every other team could do what they do, it would be a whole different league.

Rather than bashing the Lions drafts for not being that quality, just recognize how good that Pats are at what they do.

And on that note, don't compare a regime that has been in place since 2000 to one that has been in place since 2009. Thats a heck of a difference in the numbe rof years they have had to stabilize their programs.

Bellicheck didn't have those wiz-bang drafts right off the bat, but Lions fans expect Schwartz to have them. It takes years to cultivate that kind of system, where you can lose start players and replace them easily, where you have the kind of depth that allows you to make any move you need and just plug in the hole.

A coach that has been in place for 13 years has a big leg up on the guy with 4 seasons under his belt.

All of the good teams draft well...that is the main reason they are good.

Belichick is a good coach.....Swartz is a dope.

The verdit is still out on Mayhew.

 

[tomdalton22]

They didn't lose an asset. They gained an asset in Best and just swapped picks. We'll see how Fox pans out this year. And now they have Bush due to the injury to Best. I'll take 2011 Best and then realizing they need a Best type once it was certain Best was done and signing Reggie Bush. The future looks bright at speed/receiving RB without using another draft pick even. With LeShoure unknown going into 2012 and Bell's receiving in hindsight, not getting a speed RB before the 2012 season is somewhat justified.

Lions moving the ball wasn't even the main problem. Turnovers, 2 special team games and some defensive lapses playing some backup secondary players were more of the problem for 4-12. And unexpected poor DE play following strong 2010/2011 DE play in pass rush at least.

they lost two picks (#30 and the 7th rounder) because Best isn't on the team. I don't know how anybody can say that pick wasn't a mistake. The guy landed on his head and damn near died during his last college game! I read that Best never even visited the Lions before they drafted him. Did they do their homework? Did they have thier doctors examine him?

 

[LKP]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3200&type=team
Pats have plenty of misses in Round 2, 3 and 4 too. They just had more picks.


And Best was a talented player. He helped the Lions make the playoffs. Not a miss. Now we have Bush and move on.

Price, Hernandez(worse than Titus), Cunnigham, Ron Brace, Darious Butler, Ras I Dowling. Miss after miss after miss for the Pats. Brandon Tate, Tyron McKenzie.

 

[johnny2x2x]

The Pats are the cream of the crop when it comes to drafting. They have more success than anyone and if every other team could do what they do, it would be a whole different league.

Rather than bashing the Lions drafts for not being that quality, just recognize how good that Pats are at what they do.

And on that note, don't compare a regime that has been in place since 2000 to one that has been in place since 2009. Thats a heck of a difference in the numbe rof years they have had to stabilize their programs.

Bellicheck didn't have those wiz-bang drafts right off the bat, but Lions fans expect Schwartz to have them. It takes years to cultivate that kind of system, where you can lose start players and replace them easily, where you have the kind of depth that allows you to make any move you need and just plug in the hole.

A coach that has been in place for 13 years has a big leg up on the guy with 4 seasons under his belt.

Dude, forget New England, pick any team at random, outside possibly Oakland and Cleveland and compare our drafts to them over any time period, 3 years, 4 years, 5 years. Not a one of them will even come close to having as many busts as we do. I'll pick a random team, not a good team, but an average team, say the St. Louis Rams. The Rams had 17 players on their roster from the previous 3 drafts last year. The Rams! Even average NFl teams are getting 5 or 6 players every draft.

Let's do another one, say, the Miami Dolphins, a bad team. The Dolphins had 16 players on their roster from the previous 3 drafts last year.

The Lions had 10, and this included guys like Jonte Green, Tahir Whitehead, and Ronnell Lewis who basically didnt play at all. We're basically getting less from the draft each year than anyone, markedly less than bad teams, and way way less than the good teams.

 

[LKP]

The Lions have a ton of 2010 used draft picks on the roster. Scheffler, Rob Sims, Shaun Hill, Chris Houston. Also used picks on CW and Lawrence Jackson who did produce for 2-3 years.


Jason Fox, Suh, Spievey, Willie Young, Fairely, Leshoure


Reiff, Broyles, Bentley, Whitehead, Lewis, Green, Greenwood


that's 17 players and some really good veterans obtained through draft picks.

 

[tomdalton22]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3200&type=team
Pats have plenty of misses in Round 2, 3 and 4 too. They just had more picks.


And Best was a talented player. He helped the Lions make the playoffs. Not a miss. Now we have Bush and move on.

Price, Hernandez(worse than Titus), Cunnigham, Ron Brace, Darious Butler, Ras I Dowling. Miss after miss after miss for the Pats. Brandon Tate, Tyron McKenzie.

They have more picks because they trade down for value + picks vs. reaching for players like the Lions do.

 

[LKP]

I'll take Lions free agency of Tulloch, Quin, Jones, Bush, Mathis, Burleson over the last 3 seasons I'd put against any team either with Durant/KVB making contributions other than 2012 KVB who sucked.

 

[LKP]

They have more picks because they trade down for value + picks vs. reaching for players like the Lions do.

Lions couldn't trade down in 2010 at pick 2. 2011/2012 Fairley/Reiff were the right calls instead of stock piling 2nd rounders.

 

[tomdalton22]

Lions couldn't trade down in 2010 at pick 2. 2011/2012 Fairley/Reiff were the right calls instead of stock piling 2nd rounders.

They could have traded down....we don't know if there was anybody that wanted to trade up to get Suh.

 

[LKP]

And I know without fail, if Slay sucks it up even though the Lions really needed a CB and that was the right value for Slay, in 2 years, idiots will be clamoring in hindsight for whatever player the Lions should have taken that got drafted slightly after Slay.

 

[mhughes0021]

They didn't lose an asset. They gained an asset in Best and just swapped picks. We'll see how Fox pans out this year. And now they have Bush due to the injury to Best. I'll take 2011 Best and then realizing they need a Best type once it was certain Best was done and signing Reggie Bush. The future looks bright at speed/receiving RB without using another draft pick even. With LeShoure unknown going into 2012 and Bell's receiving in hindsight, not getting a speed RB before the 2012 season is somewhat justified.

Lions moving the ball wasn't even the main problem. Turnovers, 2 special team games and some defensive lapses playing some backup secondary players were more of the problem for 4-12. And unexpected poor DE play following strong 2010/2011 DE play in pass rush at least.

you do realize that most organizations covet value in the draft and dont just toss it away like mayhew does. Ie thomas, whitehead wasted picks, moving up to get best when he would have been there in rd 2 just because you jerked off watching his youtube videos.

 

[LKP]

They could have traded down....we don't know if there was anybody that wanted to trade up to get Suh.

Suh was the right call. Trading down under the old CBA I don't think so. and Suh is a huge asset for the Lions.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'll take Lions free agency of Tulloch, Quin, Jones, Bush, Mathis, Burleson over the last 3 seasons I'd put against any team either with Durant/KVB making contributions other than 2012 KVB who sucked.

I don't think you build a champion via free agency...you do it through the draft. Not just the first round....all rounds!

 

[LKP]

you do realize that most organizations covet value in the draft and dont just toss it away like mayhew does. Ie thomas, whitehead wasted picks, moving up to get best when he would have been there in rd 2 just because you jerked off watching his youtube videos.

Mayhew has traded down several times. 2009 in Round 3, extra 4th for Sammie Lee Hill. 2012 for Ronnel Lewis extra pick for Jonte Green. And 2013 5th round extra pick for Theo Riddick.

Mayhew doesn't just throw away picks. LeShoure went right where he was supposed too and Lions used one "extra" pick to get him. Whitehead was not a loss of a pick. It was using a 4th round pick a year earlier. It wasn't a trade up, it was a completely extra pick for the Lions in the 2012 draft.

 

[mhughes0021]

The Lions have a ton of 2010 used draft picks on the roster. Scheffler, Rob Sims, Shaun Hill, Chris Houston. Also used picks on CW and Lawrence Jackson who did produce for 2-3 years.


Jason Fox, Suh, Spievey, Willie Young, Fairely, Leshoure


Reiff, Broyles, Bentley, Whitehead, Lewis, Green, Greenwood


that's 17 players and some really good veterans obtained through draft picks.

i see 2 people on that entire list that we actualyl selected that have produced consistently for us....not good.