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[LKP]

I don't think you build a champion via free agency...you do it through the draft. Not just the first round....all rounds!

You do it through acquiring good players. And the Lions have done in that in the draft, trade and free agency. There is no rule you have to use X amount of draft picks starting to build a championship.

 

[LKP]

i see 2 people on that entire list that we actualyl selected that have produced consistently for us....not good.

You ignored the trades on that list then. Houston, Sims, Scheffler, Hill.

Suh, Young, Fairley have produced.

Reiff, Broyles, Bentley can easily produce going forward and too early to give up on later 2012 picks. They need time. And even Fox could be an asset for the Lions in 2013.

 

[mhughes0021]

Mayhew has traded down several times. 2009 in Round 3, extra 4th for Sammie Lee Hill. 2012 for Ronnel Lewis extra pick for Jonte Green. And 2013 5th round extra pick for Theo Riddick.

Mayhew doesn't just throw away picks. LeShoure went right where he was supposed too and Lions used one "extra" pick to get him. Whitehead was not a loss of a pick. It was using a 4th round pick a year earlier. It wasn't a trade up, it was a completely extra pick for the Lions in the 2012 draft.

its a pick lol...its not an "extra" pick.....its a frikken pick he threw away lol. Thanks for bringing up leshoure...thats another one he pissed away....forgot to mention that one. That one might be the worst out of the bunch.....lose value to select a guy that doesnt even fit your offense....brilliant. Start him and throw the ball 800 times...brilliant.

 

[LKP]

It's one extra pick. A 4th rounder. they turned the 3rd into an "extra" 2nd so they gained value there and to do that gave up the 4th. The real 2nd went to Young unforunately but not unfortunately until 2012 season, 2011 was just fine 2nd round produciton.


LeShoure late Round 2 was the proper value for him if you actually followed that draft.

 

[mhughes0021]

You ignored the trades on that list then. Houston, Sims, Scheffler, Hill.

Suh, Young, Fairley have produced.

Reiff, Broyles, Bentley can easily produce going forward and too early to give up on later 2012 picks. They need time. And even Fox could be an asset for the Lions in 2013.

Young hasnt produced lol. Hes barely even played. For a 7th round pick in the lions organization it is a small miracle hes still on the team so ill give him credit there....but saying hes "produced" is probably overstatement of the year.

 

[LKP]

Young hasnt produced lol. Hes barely even played. For a 7th round pick in the lions organization it is a small miracle hes still on the team so ill give him credit there....but saying hes "produced" is probably overstatement of the year.

Young was solid in run D the last 2 years and produced alot of pressure in 2011. Produciton

And here is Leshoure's value. Talks of going as the first back

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/05/mikel-leshoure/index.html

 

[mhughes0021]

It's one extra pick. A 4th rounder. they turned the 3rd into an "extra" 2nd so they gained value there and to do that gave up the 4th. The real 2nd went to Young unforunately but not unfortunately until 2012 season, 2011 was just fine 2nd round produciton.


LeShoure late Round 2 was the proper value for him if you actually followed that draft.

at some point BPA needs to meet need. I dont recall every needing a guy that cant cut or break tackles.....if thats what we needed should have just kept "turf monster" Smith and select someone else with 2nd rd pick.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Broyles was probably a worth while risk.
Best was not a worth while risk.
Unless the Lions were totally inept in the interview process they should have been able to figure out that Titus was a nut.

I guess you are calling out EVERY coach at every level where there is recruiting or talent evaluation. Because every program/team has a player that has the talent.....but the mental game isn't there.

So great....the Lions are the part of that 500+ team or program list.

Ok. Great stuff.

 

[LKP]

at some point BPA needs to meet need. I dont recall every needing a guy that cant cut or break tackles.....if thats what we needed should have just kept "turf monster" Smith and select someone else with 2nd rd pick.

LeShoure broke alot of tackles in college. Got to go with the info you have at the time. He was a perfect complement as a prospect to Best that was a known fact on draft day. Get off your hindsight bullshit for one second. And LeShoure did just fine until injuries crept in later in the year last year and all the weapons went away around Thanksgiving. It's not a coincidence LeShoure dipped under 4 YPC starting after that. Plus 9 Tds, some receptions too.

 

[mhughes0021]

LeShoure broke alot of tackles in college. Got to go with the info you have at the time. He was a perfect complement as a prospect to Best that was a known fact on draft day. Get off your hindsight bullshit for one second. And LeShoure did just fine until injuries crept in later in the year last year and all the weapons went away around Thanksgiving. It's not a coincidence LeShoure dipped under 4 YPC starting after that. Plus 9 Tds, some receptions too.

i meant you shouldnt be drafting rbs that high year after year when you have no offensive line. Get a good offensive line and you can easily get the same production out of "speed backs" in later rounds. Bell has surpassed him on the depth chart if JS has any football knowledge at all. Any average fan can see that.

Were talking about mayhews drafing history....ofcourse theres hindsight. Broyles, leshoure, best, titus and even delmas....havent lived up to 2nd round status.

 

[tomdalton22]

You do it through acquiring good players. And the Lions have done in that in the draft, trade and free agency. There is no rule you have to use X amount of draft picks starting to build a championship.

you are the one that was bitching about the Lions lack of depth and poor special teams play. Good drafts create depth and good special teams. Good young players that produce also help with the salary cap situation. Drafting is key....free agents are to fill holes in order to take it to the next level.

 

[inkfreq]

Sure feels good to read a thread with people arguing whether or not our GM has had draft success, rather than reading threads where everyone agrees our GM is the worst in history.

Spin that any way you'd like, but it's an upgrade.

 

[mhughes0021]

Sure feels good to read a thread with people arguing whether or not our GM has had draft success, rather than reading threads where everyone agrees our GM is the worst in history.

Spin that any way you'd like, but it's an upgrade.

disagree....the only one arguing for mayhews drafts are LKP....and hes not a real person therefor its an invalid entry

Im pretty sure that LKP is Roary which is the reason why all of his posts are biased.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Just one time in my life, I'd like to see the Lions string together 2 good drafts in a row, where we get like 7 or 8 starters in 2 years to go with 7 or 8 good subs. That could totally change an organization.

 

[inkfreq]

Nope... I am arguing for Meyhews drafts. He's added talent, he's added good players, and a lot of them didn't pan out.

In my opinion there are too many people in this thread expecting 6th and 7th round picks to be pro bowlers. Someon (ahem) even went as far as to say Willie Young had not been productive for the Lions.

Willie has been more productive than MOST (read that word again before you argue folks, most... so don't go looking up every HOF 7th rounder ever taken to argue it) 7th round draft picks.

Best was a gamble that didn't pan out. Leshore is as yet an unknown. Broyles looks good, but needs time to be evaluated. Sammie Lee Hill was awesome. Delmas has been great when healthy. Fox will be our starting RT this year.

I could go on, but really the only bad bad pick Meyhew made was Best, because of the existing risk. Even with Titus, who could have guessed his melon would pop and he'd go off the deep end?

Mayhew's drafts have been middle of the road so far, but they have still produced productive players and stars alike. He's not an upper echelon draft guy, but he also knows that and went out and got himself some help.

Sounds like a quality leader to me to find a way to help his deficiencies.

 

[mhughes0021]

Nope... I am arguing for Meyhews drafts. He's added talent, he's added good players, and a lot of them didn't pan out.

In my opinion there are too many people in this thread expecting 6th and 7th round picks to be pro bowlers. Someon (ahem) even went as far as to say Willie Young had not been productive for the Lions.

Willie has been more productive than MOST (read that word again before you argue folks, most... so don't go looking up every HOF 7th rounder ever taken to argue it) 7th round draft picks.

Best was a gamble that didn't pan out. Leshore is as yet an unknown. Broyles looks good, but needs time to be evaluated. Sammie Lee Hill was awesome. Delmas has been great when healthy. Fox will be our starting RT this year.

I could go on, but really the only bad bad pick Meyhew made was Best, because of the existing risk. Even with Titus, who could have guessed his melon would pop and he'd go off the deep end?

Mayhew's drafts have been middle of the road so far, but they have still produced productive players and stars alike. He's not an upper echelon draft guy, but he also knows that and went out and got himself some help.

Sounds like a quality leader to me to find a way to help his deficiencies.

So you dont think LKP is Roary?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Just one time in my life, I'd like to see the Lions string together 2 good drafts in a row, where we get like 7 or 8 starters in 2 years to go with 7 or 8 good subs. That could totally change an organization.

Amen, brother.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nope... I am arguing for Meyhews drafts. He's added talent, he's added good players, and a lot of them didn't pan out.

In my opinion there are too many people in this thread expecting 6th and 7th round picks to be pro bowlers. Someon (ahem) even went as far as to say Willie Young had not been productive for the Lions.

Willie has been more productive than MOST (read that word again before you argue folks, most... so don't go looking up every HOF 7th rounder ever taken to argue it) 7th round draft picks.

Best was a gamble that didn't pan out. Leshore is as yet an unknown. Broyles looks good, but needs time to be evaluated. Sammie Lee Hill was awesome. Delmas has been great when healthy. Fox will be our starting RT this year.

I could go on, but really the only bad bad pick Meyhew made was Best, because of the existing risk. Even with Titus, who could have guessed his melon would pop and he'd go off the deep end?

Mayhew's drafts have been middle of the road so far, but they have still produced productive players and stars alike. He's not an upper echelon draft guy, but he also knows that and went out and got himself some help.

Sounds like a quality leader to me to find a way to help his deficiencies.

Umm, because the rest of the drafts suck? Your statement doesn't paint a good story for Mayhew. That's like saying Jason Fox has been better than most, even though he doesn't play..ever.

 

[tonyballs]

Do people think Titus walked into the interview process with a fn pink cape, a sombrero and a gstring? Nobody could predict his lunacy. NO ONE. He was a diva in college who occasionally butt heads with his coaches....that happens. He had the talent and proved it his rookie year. He was meant to be our #2 but went batshit crazy.

As for Best, Kevin Smith was our #1...give me a break. Best was 1st rd talent but was a huge risk...it never worked, time to move on

 

[LKP]

you are the one that was bitching about the Lions lack of depth and poor special teams play. Good drafts create depth and good special teams. Good young players that produce also help with the salary cap situation. Drafting is key....free agents are to fill holes in order to take it to the next level.

You are the one that doesn't understand that the Lions had good 2nd string depth. That depth then got hurt too. Fairley, Hill, Palmer, Reiff, Broyles, Carey, the depth there did jsut fine last year. Even Green. It was Delmas, Carey AND Spievey getting hurt leaving Wendling/Coleman/Silva to struggle. And they were weak at CB2 and nickel with Bentley getting hurt, Lacey battling injuries all year. Florence played well first 2 games san ST penatly, got hurt and went on temp IR and sucked when he came back. Talented players can mess up a game or 2 and cost the team. But that doesn't mean you give up on them. It was a calamity of turnover/DE play/backup safety/weapon injuries play errors that led to 4-12.