Lions new OC's view on Stafford

[tomdalton22]

Some Stafford mistakes can be caused by the Oline. They were not perfect, they allowed some hit and hurries. Not all about sacks. For instance, the Stafford last pick against the Ravens. Waddle got driven back into Stafford. Stafford had to throw off his back foot, throw was high over Burleson and easily picked by Elam. But that was an Oline issue too. It was also a situation issue too where Stafford threw a game winning TD pass late in the 4th but then Tucker hit a miracle 61 yarder after a good Jones return and big 3rd down conversion allowed to Jones. Stafford never should have had to attempt that pass. There was some pressure in the Bucs game too from McCoy often on some of the picks. Hurries can cause back foot picks.

10 picks caused 4 losses. 9 picks win wins. Those 10 picks are not solely on Stafford.

I guess none of the other QBs in the league face thoses kinds of circumstances. They have all day to sit back there and hit wide open WRs. Here is an idea...don't throw the pass if you have to do it off of your back foot if you think it has a chance to get picked off!!!

 

[LKP]

or maybe Stafford is the worst qb in the league at extending plays. And if he doesn't get the ball out in 2.1 seconds then he flails around the pocket like a retard on coke, hopes, preys, then unleashes some flying shit into the air that has very little chance of being caught.

Stafford extends plenty of plays and his side arm makes a ton of plays when there is pressure.

 

[LKP]

I guess none of the other QBs in the league face thoses kinds of circumstances. They have all day to sit back there and hit wide open WRs. Here is an idea...don't throw the pass if you have to do it off of your back foot if you think it has a chance to get picked off!!!

Take a sack with only 30 seconds left needing to score. Don't think so.

 

[grandy]

Just for fun

2013 Completion percentage if drops were counted as catches

1. Denver 73.5% (+5.2%)
2. San Diego 71.9% (+2.4%)
3. Atlanta 71.6% (+4.1%)
4. New Orleans 70.8% (+2.3%)
5. Chicago 69.1% (+4.7%)
6. Pittsburgh 68.8% (+4.5%)
7. Dallas 68.3% (+4.3%)
8. Green Bay 67.4% (+3.2%)
9. New England 67.0% (+6.5%)
10. Seattle 66.7% (+3.1%)
11. Kansas City 66.7% (+5.7%)
12. Cincinnati 66.6% (+4.6%)
13. Arizona 66.4% (+3.2%)
14. Carolina 66.2% (+4.5%)
15. Tennessee 65.9% (+4.4%)
16. Detroit 65.5% (+7.0%)
17. St. Louis 65.4% (+5.9%)
18. Indianapolis 64.6% (+4.5%)
19. Philadelphia 64.4% (+3.4%)
20. Miami 64.1% (+4.0%)
21. Jacksonville 64.0% (+5.0%)
22. Washington 63.3% (+5.2%)
23. San Francisco 63.1% (+4.6%)
24. Baltimore 63.0% (+4.4%)
25. Buffalo 62.8% (+5.5%)
26. Minnesota 62.6% (+3.1%)
27. NY Giants 62.4% (+5.1%)
28. Oakland 62.4% (+5.0%)
29. Houston 62.4% (+3.8%)
30. Cleveland 61.4% (+5.7%)
31. Tampa Bay 61.3% (+4.7%)
32. NY Jets 59.6% (+4.2%)

 

[tomdalton22]

Take a sack with only 30 seconds left needing to score. Don't think so.

throw it away. It was 1st or 2nd down with 30 seconds left...right?

 

[Mitchrapp]

What did you think he was going to do, rip the franchise QB on his new team in public?

Of course not but why say anything..

 

[Mitchrapp]

Just for fun

2013 Completion percentage if drops were counted as catches

1. Denver 73.5% (+5.2%)
2. San Diego 71.9% (+2.4%)
3. Atlanta 71.6% (+4.1%)
4. New Orleans 70.8% (+2.3%)
5. Chicago 69.1% (+4.7%)
6. Pittsburgh 68.8% (+4.5%)
7. Dallas 68.3% (+4.3%)
8. Green Bay 67.4% (+3.2%)
9. New England 67.0% (+6.5%)
10. Seattle 66.7% (+3.1%)
11. Kansas City 66.7% (+5.7%)
12. Cincinnati 66.6% (+4.6%)
13. Arizona 66.4% (+3.2%)
14. Carolina 66.2% (+4.5%)
15. Tennessee 65.9% (+4.4%)
16. Detroit 65.5% (+7.0%)
17. St. Louis 65.4% (+5.9%)
18. Indianapolis 64.6% (+4.5%)
19. Philadelphia 64.4% (+3.4%)
20. Miami 64.1% (+4.0%)
21. Jacksonville 64.0% (+5.0%)
22. Washington 63.3% (+5.2%)
23. San Francisco 63.1% (+4.6%)
24. Baltimore 63.0% (+4.4%)
25. Buffalo 62.8% (+5.5%)
26. Minnesota 62.6% (+3.1%)
27. NY Giants 62.4% (+5.1%)
28. Oakland 62.4% (+5.0%)
29. Houston 62.4% (+3.8%)
30. Cleveland 61.4% (+5.7%)
31. Tampa Bay 61.3% (+4.7%)
32. NY Jets 59.6% (+4.2%)

So he's average...

 

[brewer229]

At the end of the year you are what your stats say you are. This year they said he was average. Anyone can see he played at a high level the 1st half and a poor level the second. Add those together you are average.

Sure in 2011 he had less drops, but he also had a worse Oline. Bottom line in 2014 he needs to play better in 2014 if we want to win he division. If you can't see that then you don't know football. That's not saying the WRs don't need to step it up, because they do. However we didn't lose the division because we had an extra drop a game compared to an average team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stafford is only 25 and has that big arm. I truly believe if he got his footwork squared away which can be done through repetition, he will be better. He is not an elite QB because of his decision making skills. The O-Line played very well in front of him so there is no excuse there. I will give that he did not have a second receiver to throw to for thew majority of the year which can lead to bad decisions. They should have used Ross more.

That elite part is the problem. I wouldn't even care if he didn't make so much money. He's been paid to be elite yet putting up less than elite numbers.

 

[brewer229]

Oddly enough LKP has less confidence in Stafford compared to most people.

His argument is the talent around him isn't good enough and he needs above average to elite talent at all other offensive positions to put up elite numbers. So essentially he is saying he is only as good as the people around him.

That is another way to define average.

Most other people here think he has a higher ceiling or can play better and actually raise the game of people around him.

So we should be asking LKP why he thinks stafford can only be am average QB at best.

 

[LKP]

Just for fun

2013 Completion percentage if drops were counted as catches

1. Denver 73.5% (+5.2%)
2. San Diego 71.9% (+2.4%)
3. Atlanta 71.6% (+4.1%)
4. New Orleans 70.8% (+2.3%)
5. Chicago 69.1% (+4.7%)
6. Pittsburgh 68.8% (+4.5%)
7. Dallas 68.3% (+4.3%)
8. Green Bay 67.4% (+3.2%)
9. New England 67.0% (+6.5%)
10. Seattle 66.7% (+3.1%)
11. Kansas City 66.7% (+5.7%)
12. Cincinnati 66.6% (+4.6%)
13. Arizona 66.4% (+3.2%)
14. Carolina 66.2% (+4.5%)
15. Tennessee 65.9% (+4.4%)
16. Detroit 65.5% (+7.0%)
17. St. Louis 65.4% (+5.9%)
18. Indianapolis 64.6% (+4.5%)
19. Philadelphia 64.4% (+3.4%)
20. Miami 64.1% (+4.0%)
21. Jacksonville 64.0% (+5.0%)
22. Washington 63.3% (+5.2%)
23. San Francisco 63.1% (+4.6%)
24. Baltimore 63.0% (+4.4%)
25. Buffalo 62.8% (+5.5%)
26. Minnesota 62.6% (+3.1%)
27. NY Giants 62.4% (+5.1%)
28. Oakland 62.4% (+5.0%)
29. Houston 62.4% (+3.8%)
30. Cleveland 61.4% (+5.7%)
31. Tampa Bay 61.3% (+4.7%)
32. NY Jets 59.6% (+4.2%)

Now factor in batted passes, spikes, throw aways from pressure and having to throw to Durham and Ogletree more than they should due to various injuries. Also factor in the blizzard games and teams who didn't play in 7 inches of snow.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It makes sense, for Stafford to be elite everyone around him needs to be elite. Sorry I forgot who posted this earlier..

 

[grandy]

Updated for LKP

1. Detroit 100%
2. Denver 73.5% (+5.2%)
3. San Diego 71.9% (+2.4%)
4. Atlanta 71.6% (+4.1%)
5. New Orleans 70.8% (+2.3%)
6. Chicago 69.1% (+4.7%)
7. Pittsburgh 68.8% (+4.5%)
8. Dallas 68.3% (+4.3%)
9. Green Bay 67.4% (+3.2%)
10. New England 67.0% (+6.5%)
11. Seattle 66.7% (+3.1%)
12. Kansas City 66.7% (+5.7%)
13. Cincinnati 66.6% (+4.6%)
14. Arizona 66.4% (+3.2%)
15. Carolina 66.2% (+4.5%)
16. Tennessee 65.9% (+4.4%)
17. St. Louis 65.4% (+5.9%)
18. Indianapolis 64.6% (+4.5%)
19. Philadelphia 64.4% (+3.4%)
20. Miami 64.1% (+4.0%)
21. Jacksonville 64.0% (+5.0%)
22. Washington 63.3% (+5.2%)
23. San Francisco 63.1% (+4.6%)
24. Baltimore 63.0% (+4.4%)
25. Buffalo 62.8% (+5.5%)
26. Minnesota 62.6% (+3.1%)
27. NY Giants 62.4% (+5.1%)
28. Oakland 62.4% (+5.0%)
29. Houston 62.4% (+3.8%)
30. Cleveland 61.4% (+5.7%)
31. Tampa Bay 61.3% (+4.7%)
32. NY Jets 59.6% (+4.2%)

 

[kdp80]

Some Stafford mistakes can be caused by the Oline.

And most Stafford mistakes can be caused by STAFFORD!! What the fuck are you? Seriously...

 

[brewer229]

Now factor in batted passes, spikes, throw aways from pressure and having to throw to Durham and Ogletree more than they should due to various injuries. Also factor in the blizzard games and teams who didn't play in 7 inches of snow.

Of course you have to offset that by how many times the Oline gave him extra time, adjust for each QBs speed and ability to avoid pressure, adjust for playing at least 9 dome games/perfect weather, adjust for being able to throw to the best WR in the game.

I honestly just want to know why you only think stafford can only he average at best.

 

[kdp80]

Defending Staffords terrible season has gotta get old. Everybody here watched the shit unfold. Do you honestly think you're going to sway any bodies thought process? Respectable posters on here that still believe in Stafford will still admit that Stafford was less than terrible through the last half of the season.

 

[detrisin]

15. Tennessee 65.9% (+4.4%)
16. Detroit 65.5% (+7.0%)

No wonder Whiz chose Tennessee.

 

[mhughes0021]

Oddly enough LKP has less confidence in Stafford compared to most people.

His argument is the talent around him isn't good enough and he needs above average to elite talent at all other offensive positions to put up elite numbers. So essentially he is saying he is only as good as the people around him.

That is another way to define average.

Most other people here think he has a higher ceiling or can play better and actually raise the game of people around him.

So we should be asking LKP why he thinks stafford can only be am average QB at best.

i thought he did have elite talent. Nate is the best FA signing since sliced bread. Calvin is the best WR in the game. Pettigrew was completely worth the rd 1 pick. Bush is one of the best pass catching rbs in the game.

all arguments ive heard from the peanut gallery....the calvin argument is the only one I believe.

 

[zyxt9]

12 of the 19 picks were on Stafford. Some of those 12 were in wins though.
2011 10 picks in 4 losses. 6 in wins.
2013 10 picks in 4 losses. 9 in wins.

10-6 vs 7-9. 12 less turnovers forced in 2013 (22 compared to 34), 8 more fumbles lost in 2013(7 in 2011 compared to 15), drop rate 9% in 2013 compared to 6% in 2011.

Stafford did exactly what he did in 2011. You all are just too dumb to see that.

i have to admit, it should be considered extremely impressive to have a guy able to replicate his exact performance from 2 years prior. he must have studied his 2011 films for hours to get down the exact placement of his body, the exact calls at the LoS, calling timeouts at the exact same point. that's pretty impressive.

oh, you mean those INTs didn't happen exactly the same way? the TDs were different too? no kidding??? huh, so then i guess he did NOT do exactly what he did in 2011.

 

[mhughes0021]

i have to admit, it should be considered extremely impressive to have a guy able to replicate his exact performance from 2 years prior. he must have studied his 2011 films for hours to get down the exact placement of his body, the exact calls at the LoS, calling timeouts at the exact same point. that's pretty impressive.

oh, you mean those INTs didn't happen exactly the same way? the TDs were different too? no kidding??? huh, so then i guess he did NOT do exactly what he did in 2011.

wind was different.