Lions signed DE Israel Idonije

[tonyballs]

Somebody come up with a list of all 32 teams and their running back tandems, please? Im just wondering where the Lions are listed....just curious.

from 2012

 

[LKP]

Somebody come up with a list of all 32 teams and their running back tandems, please? Im just wondering where the Lions are listed....just curious.

from 2012

Any other teams lose their best and most explosive RB 16 games too?

 

[LKP]

Here is yards per attempt

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

I don't believe any of the teams ahead of us lost their best back too long.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingAttempts

Looks like almost every team got 200 carries out of their top back except for Detroit, Green Bay and Dallas(but Murray got 130)

 

[motown1958]

I did do it right. They were one of the worst rb tandems in the league and our run game sucked ass against 5 and 6 man fronts. We didn't run the ball well in any game in recent memory. They suck. They won 4 games cause they can't run against a 5 man front. Leshoure and bell were so awesome they got replaced. Better?

The running game has not been good and thats fine but he had multiple longer type runs and to negate that is stupid. I can bring in any back I please to support an argument against an idiotic one such as "if you subtract his good plays then he sucks". Nobody here is saying he is a world beater or one of the best out there but he showed flashes fairly often of being able to break arm tackles and have enough speed to get down field. Leshoure's yards per was pretty bad but it also needs to take into account that he got many of our short TD runs which lowers the average since its only a run of 2 yards. You cant necessarily treat football like baseball where stats are king. Its important to see the way that player looked in the game as far as using blocks given, finding holes, and exposing a defensive player in 1v1 assignment. Bell did an adequate job in all those areas. Leshoure did a terrible job at finding the hole and then was unable to run away from people when he did find it But I would argue that his injury was hampering him. This year will tell a lot more.

 

[motown1958]

Here is yards per attempt

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

I don't believe any of the teams ahead of us lost their best back too long.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingAttempts

Looks like almost every team got 200 carries out of their top back except for Detroit, Green Bay and Dallas(but Murray got 130)

Both of those show that Detroit's running game is solidly middle of the road and that Leshoure coming off of a serious injury and working his way back was an average NFL back. I dont think that stats tell much of the picture for a running back since some schemes just work better. Such as Alfred Morris, I think he is a decent back but put him on a different team and no one would know who he is. I mean Shanahan got Reuben Droughns over a 1000 yards once. In a pretty terrible running scheme Leshoure and Bell did fine. I hope they improve this area and come at teams a lot more balanced.

 

[LKP]

Both of those show that Detroit's running game is solidly middle of the road and that Leshoure coming off of a serious injury and working his way back was an average NFL back. I dont think that stats tell much of the picture for a running back since some schemes just work better. Such as Alfred Morris, I think he is a decent back but put him on a different team and no one would know who he is. I mean Shanahan got Reuben Droughns over a 1000 yards once. In a pretty terrible running scheme Leshoure and Bell did fine. I hope they improve this area and come at teams a lot more balanced.

Agreed the lack of zone scheme doesn't work with our previous run blockers. Hopefully it will work better with better run blocker (Reiff/Warford, maybe the RT since Gosder was very inconsistent) and Bush can take more advantage of the limited big holes Lions RBs receive. Any running game above average is just icing on the cake for this team. The passing game carries the load and will continue to do so and Bush will help there more than anything. This offense MUST have a receiving back that is a threat and Bush brings that.

Morris lives off the threat of RG3 and the Shanahan zone blocking. LeShoure doesn't get a choice to pick a hole in our scheme. He goes to a point of attack and the hole is either there or it's not. We do run some zone concepts but not like Houston/Wash etc.

 

[cheeno]

Morris lives off the threat of RG3 and the Shanahan zone blocking. LeShoure doesn't get a choice to pick a hole in our scheme. He goes to a point of attack and the hole is either there or it's not. We do run some zone concepts but not like Houston/Wash etc.

What about the threat of CJ and running against a nickel D 90% of the time? Leshoure blew/blows.

 

[evolutionkb]

I read a little bit of camp chatter on Leshoure, saying he has lost about 5 lbs. He seems quicker and is outrunning guys this year, where last year he wouldn't.

 

[mhughes0021]

The running game has not been good and thats fine but he had multiple longer type runs and to negate that is stupid. I can bring in any back I please to support an argument against an idiotic one such as "if you subtract his good plays then he sucks". Nobody here is saying he is a world beater or one of the best out there but he showed flashes fairly often of being able to break arm tackles and have enough speed to get down field. Leshoure's yards per was pretty bad but it also needs to take into account that he got many of our short TD runs which lowers the average since its only a run of 2 yards. You cant necessarily treat football like baseball where stats are king. Its important to see the way that player looked in the game as far as using blocks given, finding holes, and exposing a defensive player in 1v1 assignment. Bell did an adequate job in all those areas. Leshoure did a terrible job at finding the hole and then was unable to run away from people when he did find it But I would argue that his injury was hampering him. This year will tell a lot more.

So I get killed for saying bell was wildly inconsistent at running for avg and hinting that his long runs helped his average since he had low carries. ...but I'm supposed to take into account leshoures short yardage td runs?...how's that fair? Lol

 

[mhughes0021]

Also...if you take away his "long run" his average is then 4.3 yards per carry. Still not bad at all in any way shape or form. If you're gonna make idiotic arguments at least do them right.

Heres his stats over the last 8 games (all loses). If you notice anything consistent at all about his run production just let me know and ill apologize for being such an idiot.



MIN
L 24-34 1 4 4.0


GB
L 20-24 1 4 4.0


HOU
L 31-34 (OT) 5 47 9.4


IND
L 33-35 7 81 11.6


GB
L 20-27 12 49 4.1


ARI
L 10-38 7 24 3.4


ATL
L 18-31 4 10 2.5


CHI
L 24-26 2 6 3.0

 

[Mitchrapp]

You could take that two ways. If he ran better those losses would be wins. If we didn't lose, he would have ran better. Does that make sense? Lol.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Our 2nd string RB on a team that threw almost 800 times was inconsistent during an 8 game losing streak......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you are proving yourself wrong. Those stats actually show incredible consistency. When he got more than 5 carries.....he produced very well.....when under 5.....he didn't.

I'd say that is pretty damn consistent production. Convenient that you didn't mention that he also caught 32 balls over those 8 games.....which is what your 3rd down pass catching back is supposed to do.

 

[mhughes0021]

Our 2nd string RB on a team that threw almost 800 times was inconsistent during an 8 game losing streak......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you are proving yourself wrong. Those stats actually show incredible consistency. When he got more than 5 carries.....he produced very well.....when under 5.....he didn't.

I'd say that is pretty damn consistent production. Convenient that you didn't mention that he also caught 32 balls over those 8 games.....which is what your 3rd down pass catching back is supposed to do.

he was great in the passing game....cant deny that. but then again we were talking about how our run game sucks so I don't really see how that relates. but good job.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

he was great in the passing game....cant deny that. but then again we were talking about how our run game sucks so I don't really see how that relates. but good job.

Nope. You were talking about Bell's consistency (post 290). That was it. The ONLY thing that was inconsistent were his carries.....which he has no control of.

The production when getting those carries was incredibly consistent.

 

[LKP]

What about the threat of CJ and running against a nickel D 90% of the time? Leshoure blew/blows.

There is still 4 Dline and 2 LBs to block. The Oline didn't block them leading to LeShoure getting tackled, even against nickel packages. 5 Oline and Pettigrew couldn't block the 6 run defenders. Like I said, there is either a hole there or not. LeShoure doesn't get much flexibility in picking holes in this offense.

 

[mhughes0021]

There is still 4 Dline and 2 LBs to block. The Oline didn't block them leading to LeShoure getting tackled, even against nickel packages. 5 Oline and Pettigrew couldn't block the 6 run defenders. Like I said, there is either a hole there or not. LeShoure doesn't get much flexibility in picking holes in this offense.

which also means he cant make anyone miss and cant break a tackle.

 

[LKP]

which also means he cant make anyone miss and cant break a tackle.

If you watch, not enough room to make people miss. Two guys hitting him often right at or just past the hole. And the Lions did get a decent amount of 4 YPC gains. See the Lions RB preview on the lions website for that. Especially when LeShoure wasn't dealing with his groin injury and all the other weapons were out. LeShoure is a power back and moved many piles forward as much as he could given the blocking. Plus two deep safety its hard to break those really big runs with the safeties so deep. Leshoure will have more elusiveness when healthier and better run blocking this year. LeShoure is far from the problem other than the 3 fumbles that need to be fixed.

 

[LKP]

LeShoure was plenty elusive on open fields receiving. He can be elusive when given a good chance, not having two guys draped all over him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

LeShoure was plenty elusive on open fields receiving. He can be elusive when given a good chance, not having two guys draped all over him.

Well, unless he's a better receiver than a running back..