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Lombardi and others....FIRED

We were forced to give him big money on the first contract. Not the Lions fault or Stafford's.

Then we gave him a average deal for starting QBs (17 per). He is one of the cheapest right now of all the new deals that were made. We restructured him twice too.

3.1 cap hit 2009 (on a 6 year 72 million dollar deal no rookie deserves), 12.9 in 2010, 6.1 in 2011 (after restructure), 8.9 in 2012 (2nd restructure), 17.8 in 2013 (with extension mixing both old and new contract (4.8 was restructure and 3.4 option bonus from first contract), 15.8 in 2014 (4.8 resturcutre and 3.4 option bonus from first contract), 17.7 in 2015 (with 2.7 from restructure) and then 22.5 and 22 in 2016 and 2017 (which could change).

2013 and 2014 would be 8.2 million less cap hit each year if the rookie contract wasn't ridiculous and we never had to make a restrucutre. And 2015 would be 2.7 less than what it is.

The Lions HAD to restructure Stafford in 2011 and 2012. And HAD to pay him starting QB money (which is 17 per or more). Lions made 2011 and 2012 low at the expense of 2013, 2014 and 2015. And they had to do it. The cap was lower back then. Now the cap is rising and Suh is gone so we are set with Stafford at 22 million and still have alot of cap room for 2016.

You are oversimpliyfing something (saying Stafford is overpaid) that is very very complicated. Stafford was overpaid on the first contract which affected his 2013-2015 cap numbers. And caused the backload to 2016 and 2017. This is not the Lions fault.
 
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Also if they neve extended him prior to 2013. His 2013, 2014 and 2015 cap numbers would have been 20,8, 19.3 and 17.7 based on the original 6 year contract. NOTICE: Two of those original cap numbers are higher than what they actually were after the extension. 20.8 turned to 17.8 and 19.3 turned to 15.8. And 17.7 is the exact same for 2015 either way.

It was a great extension by Lewand and Mayhew. Only you are all way to misinformed to see that.
 
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as usual, LKP is missing the point. Stafford produces at a level that is similar to the 6 current starting QBs that have been drafted in the past 2 years. They are getting paid peanuts compared to him. We are saying it is time to move on from paying him huge money when it is possible to get the same production from a rookie. What is the point of extending him?
 
as usual, LKP is missing the point. Stafford produces at a level that is similar to the 6 current starting QBs that have been drafted in the past 2 years. They are getting paid peanuts compared to him. We are saying it is time to move on from paying him huge money when it is possible to get the same production from a rookie. What is the point of extending him?

A rookie cannot give the same production. The rookie would have 30% completion and 52 ints behind this Oline and run game.

This Oline and run game can be fixed without moving on from Stafford. Since we are well under the cap for 2016. Stafford is a good QB. There will be no moving on from him. A second extension can lower his cap numbers for 2016 and 2017.
 
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The worse line in history, Houston why David Carr was there. 76 sacks, 53+% as a rookie. 3 years later topped 60%, 68 sacks. So quit bitching about the damn OL. There are worse ones.
 
The worse line in history, Houston why David Carr was there. 76 sacks, 53+% as a rookie. 3 years later topped 60%, 68 sacks. So quit bitching about the damn OL. There are worse ones.

Stafford is 65% right now. And this Oline is really bad. I bet that Houston Oline run blocked better.

1,000 yard back in 2003 for Carr.
 
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Face it, we have shitty running backs. All I keep hearing is the OL is bad that's why we can't run. Maybe the OL looks bad because we have shitty RB's.
 
Carr had 5.9 YPA and 14 TDS (on the year 2004). Stafford has 12 TDs in 7 games and 7.1 YPA. And it's more than just sacks. It's hits and hurries too. Hits and hurries are what affects the comp % the most since you don't throw on a sack. However, sacks can hurt some indriectly with long down and distances. And of course they kill drives.

Abdullah and Riddick can run. But the blocking has been bad. Bell is hampered by an ankle injury and then missed some games.

Laken, Swanson, Warford and Waddle need to improve. Pettigrew needs to get healthy. Waddle and Warford injuries have hurt the run game too. Reiff is a good run blocker (6th best in league).
 
Mitch you tried. He came around after they lost to Arizona, but he's gone back to this mode to counter the negativity.
 
Kinda sad really, the Lions have spent 5 picks on RBs in the last 7 drafts, including 3 top 60 picks, and yet our "best option" is an undrafted local security guard still recovering from knee surgery.

Unlucky or not, this franchise can't get anything right.
 
Kinda sad really, the Lions have spent 5 picks on RBs in the last 7 drafts, including 3 top 60 picks, and yet our "best option" is an undrafted local security guard still recovering from knee surgery.

Unlucky or not, this franchise can't get anything right.

Did Barry put a curse on us? And I'm pretty sure Layne said 100 years, not 50.
 
Kinda sad really, the Lions have spent 5 picks on RBs in the last 7 drafts, including 3 top 60 picks, and yet our "best option" is an undrafted local security guard still recovering from knee surgery.

Unlucky or not, this franchise can't get anything right.

Cross post from my thread. Lions simplifying blocking schemes. 150 rushing this week, just because it'll make Caldwell look more inept

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/10/detroit_lions_hint_theyre_simp.html
 
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Bell, Waddle and Tulloch have not recovered properly. If Mayhew learned anything it should be to dump anyone who gets a big injury and not rely on them. That is his downfall if he gets fired.

And some of it, is a guy not developing fast enough. Swanson. He even has the vet backup in Ramirez (who was playing well) but the coaching staff is opting to go Swanson over Ramirez. When Warford was hurt, they didn't have the option though.

Plenty of teams have guys recover from ACL and other injuries. But not the Lions for some reason. Once hurt they are done for good.
 
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Yeah. That's his downfall. Bad injury luck.

When the history is written about Martin Mayhew, it will say one line: "Great GM, horrible luck."
 
Yeah. That's his downfall. Bad injury luck.

When the history is written about Martin Mayhew, it will say one line: "Great GM, horrible luck."

Leshoure,Best,Broyles, Young (mental possibly concussion related), Van Noy (development), Carter, Bentley, Spievey, and Delmas. All have injury issues. That's alot of Round 2 and 3 injuries.

Burelson (2012-2013) and Bush (2014) had some injury issues too. And now Bell once he gets a 3 year deal has 3 surgeries in one offseason after year 1.

We get the greediest DT of all time who wants to be like Warren Buffett.

Levy signs a contract. Boom hurt.

Tulloch ACL after being super healthy all the time, hurt on a celebration. Boom slow as shit now.

Ngata iron man for the Ravens, boom hamstring and calf injuries.

Undrafted free agents show promise in Waddle and Fauria in 2013. Boom hurt.

Stafford first 2 years.

That's alot of injuries. And then you have the cap issues with the old CBA contracts.

The fact that Ngata and Levy didn't play a snap together, so absurd.
 
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Welcome to the same situation every other GM deals with.

The excuses is why no one takes you serious. You are talking about guys with injuries before they were drafted, DEVELOPMENT, which is ENTIRELY on the GM and coaches, and a bunch of guys who sucked when they played.

Get over it. Our GM is crap. He's 41-78. That's all that matters. Cut the bullshit.
 
Not all were before drafted. And some were new injuries after drafted. Delmas played alot in college. Broyles healthy main years. LeShoure too. Broyles had two different injuries. Not every player that has an ACL injury gets a second ACL injury and an achilles injury. Bell had surgery on 3 THREE THINGS this offseason. Tom Brady tore his ACL. Where was his second ACL and achilles injury? I hope Suh steps on that fuckers achilles tonight.
 
Take a deep breath. Never wish anyone hurt. Ever. It's a fucking game. Relax.
 
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