Lombardi and others....FIRED

[Mitchrapp]

As a Michigan fan, I can tell you one massive difference between the two: Cook's a bonafide winner on the biggest stage. Just out of sheer curiosity, I went back and looked at Stafford's games in college against ranked teams. Other than two really strong outings in his last two games at Georgia, he never did anything amazing.

Stafford was drafted purely on potential and not what he did for Georgia. Georgia had enough around him that he didn't need to do a ton. Cook's put his team on his back multiple times when they need him most and he's excelled.

You know who is also a winner, Tim Tebow. IMO, that means little. Jimbo won a national title at UM, he was just an average NFL QB.

 

[dubbsco]

Right, but along with that winning, Cook's a darn good QB. Everyone knew out of the gate that Tim Tebow wasn't going to be a starting NFL QB.

 

[tonyballs]

That's fine too...I really have no idea which college QB is going to be special or not.

As far as bitching about Stafford...I complain because people call him special, he is paid like he is special but he is not. If they have some middle of the road QB who is paid like it & produces like it, that will be another story. It's all about expectations IMO.

Stafford isn't paid like he's special. He's paid like a starting QB in the NFL (which he is btw).

 

[Mitchrapp]

Right, but along with that winning, Cook's a darn good QB. Everyone knew out of the gate that Tim Tebow wasn't going to be a starting NFL QB.

But his stats (completion %) aren't much different than Matt's numbers. In fact they're not.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford isn't paid like he's special. He's paid like a starting QB in the NFL (which he is btw).

#5 cap hit this year at $17.9M. Goes up to $22.5M next year which will rank #6 unless something changes.

 

[LKP]

His cap hit is high because he is on the end of the deal. Some QBs are not on the end of the deal or it was structured differently. He was paid 14th average though.

And if they extend Stafford, those 2016 and 2017 numbers could be much lower.

 

[dubbsco]

I understand your point, college QBs can put up great stats. But, you can watch the two and you knew. Tebow showed nothing of substance to prove he would succeed in the NFL. I can watch Connor Cook and know he's got what it takes. This year proves it. His team is absolutely riddled with injuries and they have leaned on him to get it done.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I understand your point, college QBs can put up great stats. But, you can watch the two and you knew. Tebow showed nothing of substance to prove he would succeed in the NFL. I can watch Connor Cook and know he's got what it takes. This year proves it. His team is absolutely riddled with injuries and they have leaned on him to get it done.

I'm sure others would say the same about Matt. Or Bradford. Again, just never know.

 

[tonyballs]

But his stats (completion %) aren't much different than Matt's numbers. In fact they're not.

He's the same QB, Mitch lol. Makes some miraculous throws that are beautiful, but then follows up with some boneheaded plays. He takes a lot of chances, he's fearless, but you'll be shaking your head and complaining about the kid just like you do Stafford.
I think he's a decent/good QB that needs to go to a team that has an established OLine and defense....

 

[Mitchrapp]

He's the same QB, Mitch lol. Makes some miraculous throws that are beautiful, but then follows up with some boneheaded plays. He takes a lot of chances, he's fearless, but you'll be shaking your head and complaining about the kid just like you do Stafford.
I think he's a decent/good QB that needs to go to a team that has an established OLine and defense....

I agree.

 

[tonyballs]

#5 cap hit this year at $17.9M. Goes up to $22.5M next year which will rank #6 unless something changes.

And he's 14th in salary this year. It is what it is. Your STARTING QB is usually going to get paid regardless...

 

[tonyballs]

I'm sure others would say the same about Matt. Or Bradford. Again, just never know.

MSU is lucky to be undefeated this year. That team should have at least 2-3 losses. They're not that good.

 

[mhughes0021]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2016/QB
Lynch, Goff, Cook. Hell no
Hackenberg LOL.

While I'm not big on the qbs coming out. ...upside of having any of them is losing staffords contract. If you don't move staffords money then you keep him. The only way this team gets better is to redistribute his $$$.

 

[Mitchrapp]

When he got his extension he was high on the list. Didn't last long, now there's a ton of guys making coin.

 

[tomdalton22]

And he's 14th in salary this year. It is what it is. Your STARTING QB is usually going to get paid regardless...

Teddy Bridgewater $1.8M
Carr $1.4M
T Taylor $1.1M

 

[mhughes0021]

...that being said....i think even the connor cooks of the world can do what stafford does. The only advantage staff has over those qbs is arm strength. ...but he rarely uses it. Any of those guys can be a top 22 qb like stafford is.

 

[tonyballs]

While I'm not big on the qbs coming out. ...upside of having any of them is losing staffords contract. If you don't move staffords money then you keep him. The only way this team gets better is to redistribute his $$$.

Lynch is the only one right now worth taking in the top 5 IMO. Maybe that changes, maybe not. If the Lions draft Cook i'll laugh to no end, because we're getting the same QB like Stafford lol. Then I have to come on here and try to defend a MSU alum??? Fuck that noise, man....

 

[Mitchrapp]

...that being said....i think even the connor cooks of the world can do what stafford does. The only advantage staff has over those qbs is arm strength. ...but he rarely uses it. Any of those guys can be a top 22 qb like stafford is.

Somehow I think you'll see it quite a bit the last half of the season. Good or bad he'll air it out.

 

[mhughes0021]

Somehow I think you'll see it quite a bit the last half of the season. Good or bad he'll air it out.

We'll see. ...cooter is in London right now trying to frantically Google a playbook together. Or offense is completely based on how good the hotel Internet is.

 

[brewer229]

Staffords Cap hit rank:

2013: 2nd Highest
2014: 10th Highest
2015: 5th Highest
2016: 6th Highest (Subject to change)
2017: 4th Highest (Subject to change)

Cap hit and guaranteed money is what matters. Stafford is one of 2 starters that had guaranteed money over 50%.
Right now teams are putting tons of money in the future predicting future cap numbers going through the roof. So using average salary does not mean much.

The last couple years, this year and the near future, Stafford is being paid as a top 10 QB, top 5 majority of the years. Cap hit is what matters, that cost us other players now.

People are using averages which doesn't make sense. You are comparing contracts signed in 2013 to contracts signed in 2015 that run through 2020. If Stafford is making 15 million a year in 2020, then that is most likely market value for him. But right now he cost this team as a top 5 QB, he is not giving that production.