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Lombardi and others....FIRED

Staffords Cap hit rank:

2013: 2nd Highest
2014: 10th Highest
2015: 5th Highest
2016: 6th Highest (Subject to change)
2017: 4th Highest (Subject to change)

Cap hit and guaranteed money is what matters. Stafford is one of 2 starters that had guaranteed money over 50%.
Right now teams are putting tons of money in the future predicting future cap numbers going through the roof. So using average salary does not mean much.

The last couple years, this year and the near future, Stafford is being paid as a top 10 QB, top 5 majority of the years. Cap hit is what matters, that cost us other players now.

People are using averages which doesn't make sense. You are comparing contracts signed in 2013 to contracts signed in 2015 that run through 2020. If Stafford is making 15 million a year in 2020, then that is most likely market value for him. But right now he cost this team as a top 5 QB, he is not giving that production.

exactly
 
The Lions are around 26-28 (carryover) under the cap next year (37 with a contract). 2016 Draft class is 8 players at 5 million. So 21 under with 45 signed. Another 3 million for vet min signs to get to top 51. So 18 under which is alot of room. They don't need to redistribute money. All starting QBs make 17 per or more. We don't need a rookie QB to win.

Just hit on the free agents and draft smart.

And if you want more room you can extend Stafford to lower his cap number. Also Tulloch cut can add 6 million more in room.

There is no reason to cut Stafford for money. None
 
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There are 13 other QBs who make an average on 17 per on their contract. All more than Stafford. Some are in the beginning of their longer contracts.

We can extend Stafford and lower his cap number too if they want.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2016/cap-hit/quarterback/

15 QBs next year over 17 million cap hits too. Stop looking at this year. This year is over cap wise other than carryover
 
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I so hope they extend Stafford. This board will lose their minds.
 
There are 13 other QBs who make an average on 17 per on their contract. All more than Stafford. Some are in the beginning of their longer contracts.

We can extend Stafford and lower his cap number too if they want.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2016/cap-hit/quarterback/

15 QBs next year over 17 million cap hits too. Stop looking at this year. This year is over cap wise other than carryover

OK..so Stafford is at $22.5M next year...top 6
 
Ok and the Lions are 26 under the cap still. And Stafford's cap number could be lowered with an extension.
 
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Ok and the Lions are 26 under the cap still. And Stafford's cap number could be lowered with an extension.

keep adding money to his contract so they can over pay for mediocre results. Or, cut bait and start over with someone else. At least if they cut bait they have 4 or 5 years of a cheap QB so they can build the rest of the team.
 
They aren't overpaying. 17 million average per is not overpay for a starting NFL QB.

They are not cutting bait with him.

They better fix his damn Oline and run game. Weapons are good.

They can build the rest of the team without cutting him.

And it's a trade at worst, not a cut. LOL at cutting him with 2 years left.
 
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I'm sorry but if Matt Stafford gets an extension, based on his work so far, I'm finding Martha and punching her in the mouth.
 
They aren't overpaying. 17 million average per is not overpay for a starting NFL QB.

They are not cutting bait with him.

They better fix his damn Oline and run game. Weapons are good.

They can build the rest of the team without cutting him.

And it's a trade at worst, not a cut. LOL at cutting him with 2 years left.

I didn't say they couldn't trade him...I said cut bait which is an expression that means give up on. If the Lions could get a 3rd or 4th round pick out of him that would be great!

I think $17M a year is an over pay for a mediocre QB. Like I said earlier...there are 6 starting QBs in the NFL that were drafted in the past 2 seasons that are similar in quality to Stafford and only count between $1M-$5M depending on where they were drafted.
 
There are no QBs in this class coming that are Stafford quality. None
 
There are no QBs in this class coming that are Stafford quality. None

funny thing...you have NO IDEA what these guys are going to do in the NFL. NONE!

Every year there at least one QB that comes out of college that ends up being a mediocre or better QB...almost every year! Most years it's more than one. The odds are this class will be similar to those.
 
Stafford is a good QB. I don't see anyone beyond good in this draft class. It's a really down QB year when you have a Memphis QB as the top guy.
 
Maybe not better than Stafford, but who? Cook is a carbon copy of Stafford and Paxton plays in a spread offense. Are there any QBs in college coming out in the draft that could step in right away?

I agree cook is somewhat inconsistent with accuracy. But he has REALLY improved his footwork this year. I think he now extends plays much better than Stafford. Hes accurate on the run as well. Footwork and pocket presence overall is much better than Staff. He'll step right into a dlineman to complete his throwing process too...Stafford quacks away with his penguin feet and throws off his back foot. Im not sold on taking him in the top 10. Id be more comfortable with taking him at the top of the 2nd rd....but I doubt he lasts that long.

Ive said it all along.....if you cant move Stafford salary then you need to roll with him regardless. We have too many holes to draft a back up QB to sit for a couple of years. LT would be a more pertinent need. Treadwell more value. Nkemdiche would fill a huge hole on the dline. Etc etc etc.

The only way I see us moving on from Stafford by next year is with a new GM who hires a new coach....and they both feel 100% confident that Stafford cant get the job done in whatever system they install.....the odds of that happening are probably pretty low to be honest.
 
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funny thing...you have NO IDEA what these guys are going to do in the NFL. NONE!

Every year there at least one QB that comes out of college that ends up being a mediocre or better QB...almost every year! Most years it's more than one. The odds are this class will be similar to those.

Unfortunately it matters little. Regardless what you or I think of Matt the organization loves him. If they draft a QB it'll be a third string type. A project.
 
You can't compare a 7-year NFL veteran to a rookie QB. Of course none of them are going to stack up to Stafford at this point.

But you have no idea how they will progress when placed into a system and given the chance to grow. We already know what Matt Stafford is. He's an average QB who hasn't done anything other than one great year.
 
I agree cook is somewhat inconsistent with accuracy. But he has REALLY improved his footwork this year. I think he now extends plays much better than Stafford. Hes accurate on the run as well. Footwork and pocket presence overall is much better than Staff. He'll step right into a dlineman to complete his throwing process too...Stafford quacks away with his penguin feet and throws off his back foot. Im not sold on taking him in the top 10. Id be more comfortable with taking him at the top of the 2nd rd....but I doubt he lasts that long.

Ive said it all along.....if you cant move Stafford salary then you need to roll with him regardless. We have too many holes to draft a back up QB to sit for a couple of years. LT would be a more pertinent need. Treadwell more value. Nkemdiche would fill a huge hole on the dline. Etc etc etc.

The only way I see us moving on from Stafford by next year is with a new GM who hires a new coach....and they both feel 100% confident that Stafford cant get the job done in whatever system they install.....the odds of that happening are probably pretty low to be honest.

If he's accurate on run then he must be shit in the pocket. He hasn't come close to approaching 60% in 4 years.
 
There are 13 other QBs who make an average on 17 per on their contract. All more than Stafford. Some are in the beginning of their longer contracts.

We can extend Stafford and lower his cap number too if they want.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2016/cap-hit/quarterback/

15 QBs next year over 17 million cap hits too. Stop looking at this year. This year is over cap wise other than carryover

What has Stafford's rank when he signed his new extension. I'm guessing it was one of the richest at the time. Now we are coming up on the back end of the high base salary amounts. While others are still on the lower end of theirs. I'm sure if you looked at cap hits since 2013 - 2017 and averaged those Stafford would be top 5 highest. That is the number that matters.

Fact is he has been costing us as top 10 even Top 5 for the last few years. It's a fact that can not be argued. You can try and spin it by using QBs numbers in 2020 that they may never see, but the fact is even looking at the past 3 years, Stafford has been on of the highest paid QBs. He hasn't even put up top 20 numbers in anything besides attempts and yards.
 
Stafford is a good QB. I don't see anyone beyond good in this draft class. It's a really down QB year when you have a Memphis QB as the top guy.

Compared to all those elite Georgia QBs that come along? Where you play is largely irrelevant to NFL talent. The current NFL QBs have played all over the scope of college.
 
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