Matt Garza?

[kalinecountry]

http://www.freep.com/article/20111225/SPORTS02/111225014/Report-Don-t-rule-out-Tigers-Cubs-starter-Matt-Garza
Report: Don't rule out Detroit Tigers for Chicago Cubs starter Matt Garza.
from the freep

 

[Mitchrapp]

8 weeks since the WS and I'm a bit disappointed. We need INF and all we here about are starting pitchers. I've been saying its still early but in a month and a half, players report. I'm going to hate it if we go into 2012 with Inge at 3rd and Raburn at 2nd. Along with a weak LF.

 

[jdeb]

He would not come cheap.

 

[buddyboy2121]

I'd make a trade for him, eats up a good amount of innings, strikes out a good amount of guys, and doesn't walk a whole lot of people. Would cost a lot but he would be worth it the guy survived the AL east in a hitters ball park and pitched well in the sandbox they call Wrigley field. If the Tigers were to acquire him I'd expect 17 wins, 31 starts, 200ish innings, 160 Ks, 60 walks, 3.15 ERA, and a 1.25 WHIP.

Would strengthen our rotation greatly and help us win the World series.

1) Verlander
2) Garza
3) Fister
4) Scherzer
5) Porcello

Turner, Castellanos, Avisail Garcia, and Bruce Rondon for Matt Garza and Blake Dewitt.

Solves our rotation problem and our second base problem in one trade.

Sign Cespedes, turn and trade Boesch and Casey Crosby for Chase Headley solve the corner outfield spot and 3B. Set to contend for a good 5-6 years.

Even though not a lot of people on here are fans of Delmon Young i think he will break out this year, just a feeling. Defense? doesn't really matter much when you have 2 CFs roaming RF and CF and his defense will only cost us so much because the ball will only be hit to him 3-4 times a game.

 

[jdeb]

Doubt DD will give that up for him. I do not see how we can get anything done if they are looking for prospects. Frankly, we do not have a whole lot to offer.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Our prospects aren't actually that bad they just don't get that much media attention like the Red Sox or the Yankees do. I forget which one but one of the Yankees top prospects is almost identical to Andy Oliver but the Yanks just hype him up to be the next great pitcher. If Smyly was in the Yankees organization he would be known as the next Andy Pettite. I like what DD does he doesn't hype the prospects so that teams don't try to fleece him in trades and we end up giving up a 4th OF, bullpen arm, and a average 3B prospect for a really good pitcher that is under control for a long time.

 

[mjsb2]

As I said in the team notes thread, there is no substance to this rumor.

This guy, just like Lynn Henning, likes to speculate.

He really doesn't know anything about the Tigers.

 

[buddyboy2121]

As I said in the team notes thread, there is no substance to this rumor.

This guy, just like Lynn Henning, likes to speculate.

He really doesn't know anything about the Tigers.

A lot of this "baseball news" is mostly speculation and usually is out of date. Like the Mat Latos trade, did anyone see that developing? The Gio trade was public because Mike Rizzo tells media members just about everything and Billy Beane was using the media to get a better return of prospects.

Dombrowski is very close to the vest so if you see that the Tigers are "interested" in a player, they most likely aren't and it stems from speculation.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I really don't see us trading for Garza or any other right handed starter.

 

[Thumb]

I'd make a trade for him, eats up a good amount of innings, strikes out a good amount of guys, and doesn't walk a whole lot of people. Would cost a lot but he would be worth it the guy survived the AL east in a hitters ball park and pitched well in the sandbox they call Wrigley field. If the Tigers were to acquire him I'd expect 17 wins, 31 starts, 200ish innings, 160 Ks, 60 walks, 3.15 ERA, and a 1.25 WHIP.

Would strengthen our rotation greatly and help us win the World series.

1) Verlander
2) Garza
3) Fister
4) Scherzer
5) Porcello

Turner, Castellanos, Avisail Garcia, and Bruce Rondon for Matt Garza and Blake Dewitt.

Solves our rotation problem and our second base problem in one trade.

Sign Cespedes, turn and trade Boesch and Casey Crosby for Chase Headley solve the corner outfield spot and 3B. Set to contend for a good 5-6 years.

Even though not a lot of people on here are fans of Delmon Young i think he will break out this year, just a feeling. Defense? doesn't really matter much when you have 2 CFs roaming RF and CF and his defense will only cost us so much because the ball will only be hit to him 3-4 times a game.

Delmon Young's defense wont hurt us cause the ball will only be hit to him 3-4 times?

Sorry, but that's gotta be some of the dumbest logic I have ever read on this board.

1 Mistake is all it takes to allow a tying or go-ahead run, and Delmon is plain awful, Raburn is 10x the fielder that fatty DY is, and Raburn is bad himself.

I'd think Boesch would be a much better option than Young in every category.

 

[buddyboy2121]

[quote="Maize&blue21":6lhpeh48]I'd make a trade for him, eats up a good amount of innings, strikes out a good amount of guys, and doesn't walk a whole lot of people. Would cost a lot but he would be worth it the guy survived the AL east in a hitters ball park and pitched well in the sandbox they call Wrigley field. If the Tigers were to acquire him I'd expect 17 wins, 31 starts, 200ish innings, 160 Ks, 60 walks, 3.15 ERA, and a 1.25 WHIP.

Would strengthen our rotation greatly and help us win the World series.

1) Verlander
2) Garza
3) Fister
4) Scherzer
5) Porcello

Turner, Castellanos, Avisail Garcia, and Bruce Rondon for Matt Garza and Blake Dewitt.

Solves our rotation problem and our second base problem in one trade.

Sign Cespedes, turn and trade Boesch and Casey Crosby for Chase Headley solve the corner outfield spot and 3B. Set to contend for a good 5-6 years.

Even though not a lot of people on here are fans of Delmon Young i think he will break out this year, just a feeling. Defense? doesn't really matter much when you have 2 CFs roaming RF and CF and his defense will only cost us so much because the ball will only be hit to him 3-4 times a game.

Delmon Young's defense wont hurt us cause the ball will only be hit to him 3-4 times?

Sorry, but that's gotta be some of the dumbest logic I have ever read on this board.

1 Mistake is all it takes to allow a tying or go-ahead run, and Delmon is plain awful, Raburn is 10x the fielder that fatty DY is, and Raburn is bad himself.

I'd think Boesch would be a much better option than Young in every category.[/quote:6lhpeh48]show me a play where Delmon cost the Tigers a run last year. I understand he is slow but the guy can hit and is serviceable in LF. I don't understand the hate Delmon is getting, he is better than Raburn, lead the Tigers to a victory over Yankees in the playoffs, and did nothing to earn the hate he is getting from Tigers fans. We dealt with Maggs in RF for years and he was fine because he was hitting the ball. Give Delmon an injury free year and he will mash.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The problem with Delmon is because of his poor D, he has to play so deep that he has no chance at anything shallow or even mid.

 

[Thumb]

DY is not better than Raburn.

Delmon has had 1 decent year, due largely to who was hitting in front of him.

Did you find it odd that the Twins, who were hurting like mad for players, dealt DY to us for peanuts? Don't forget he was a #1 overall draft pick, and the Rays and Twins knew enough to dump him.

 

[buddyboy2121]

DY is not better than Raburn.

Delmon has had 1 decent year, due largely to who was hitting in front of him.

Did you find it odd that the Twins, who were hurting like mad for players, dealt DY to us for peanuts? Don't forget he was a #1 overall draft pick, and the Rays and Twins knew enough to dump him.

Well he has a .288 career average so i don't think that one season was a fluke. He knocks in runs and gets quite a few hits so i have no problem with him.

He is better than Raburn no question. Raburn has a .269 career average and is so bad in the first half of every season. Raburn's bad defense may not show on the dWAR ratings but we all know how bad of a defender he is. Please tell me you guys didn't already forget all of Raburn's defensive miscues that have cost us game.

 

[mjsb2]

[quote="MI_Thumb":04bj07xg]


Delmon Young's defense wont hurt us cause the ball will only be hit to him 3-4 times?

Sorry, but that's gotta be some of the dumbest logic I have ever read on this board.

1 Mistake is all it takes to allow a tying or go-ahead run, and Delmon is plain awful, Raburn is 10x the fielder that fatty DY is, and Raburn is bad himself.

I'd think Boesch would be a much better option than Young in every category.

show me a play where Delmon cost the Tigers a run last year. I understand he is slow but the guy can hit and is serviceable in LF. I don't understand the hate Delmon is getting, he is better than Raburn, lead the Tigers to a victory over Yankees in the playoffs, and did nothing to earn the hate he is getting from Tigers fans. We dealt with Maggs in RF for years and he was fine because he was hitting the ball. Give Delmon an injury free year and he will mash. [/quote:04bj07xg]

Since when?

He's had on season where he showed he could hit.

 

[mjsb2]

And lol at DY being better than Raburn.

Raburn has been better each of the last three seasons.

 

[mjsb2]

Oh, DY has a better BA.

Well then, that settles that debate.

 

[buddyboy2121]

And lol at DY being better than Raburn.

Raburn has been better each of the last three seasons.

You're joking right? The only reason Raburn's numbers look semi acceptable are because he is so bad in the first half he gets benched and he comes back in the last two months and hits around .300. If he played a whole season his numbers would be around a .250 BA.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'll take a little lesser hitter over someone who jokes it up for months at a time. Last season wasn't the first where Raburn went AWOL for a stretch at a time. They both k a ton, they both stink in the field but who knows, maybe DY is starting to figure it out. Granted, I hope we get a new LF but I'd be nuts saying I'm okay with one over the other. And would be insane think Raburn is much better.

What have you done for me lately as the saying goes. The last two years offensively, who has been better?

 

[jmakula87]

Raburn really isn't that bad in the outfield. He had the home run ball bounce miscue, but he is not a bad outfielder by any means. If he was always in the outfield and not at 2nd base, people wouldn't even question his D.