Matt Garza?

[Mitchrapp]

Raburn, last season, 76 AB after an 0-2 count. 50 K's. I know it's tough to hit at 0-2 not sure what the league average is but 50 K's. Damn.

 

[jimrice]

Why do people hate Raburn so much? If you saw his stats attached to any other name, you'd think he was perfectly fine. He doesn't "suck".

 

[Mitchrapp]

Why do people hate Raburn so much? If you saw his stats attached to any other name, you'd think he was perfectly fine. He doesn't "suck".

Even if it was attached to Raburn but didn't see him play. But we do see him play and fail way too much. Its not that his season ending average or OPS isn't respectable. Its how he got that. When you watch Raburn on a daily basis, its easy to see why we don't like him. The strikout with a key runner on 2nd or 3rd. The pitch 4 feet out of the strike zone that he swings and misses with the bases loaded. The at bat where he can't just make contact, any contact in a crucial situation. That's why we don't like him.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Why do people hate Raburn so much? If you saw his stats attached to any other name, you'd think he was perfectly fine. He doesn't "suck".

Because he's so hot and cold. He gives you half a season's worth of time to despise him, then picks it up enough to where you like him again. He's a frustrating player to watch on a daily basis.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Mitch[/color]]

Why do people hate Raburn so much? If you saw his stats attached to any other name, you'd think he was perfectly fine. He doesn't "suck".

Even if it was attached to Raburn but didn't see him play. But we do see him play and fail way too much. Its not that his season ending average or OPS isn't respectable. Its how he got that. When you watch Raburn on a daily basis, its easy to see why we don't like him. The strikout with a key runner on 2nd or 3rd. The pitch 4 feet out of the strike zone that he swings and misses with the bases loaded. The at bat where he can't just make contact, any contact in a crucial situation. That's why we don't like him.

This. He hits when you don't need it but in the most crucial times he fails. The reason Delmon is better is because he puts the ball in play all the time

 

[jimrice]

[quote="Mitch":x4qp8blr]

Even if it was attached to Raburn but didn't see him play. But we do see him play and fail way too much. Its not that his season ending average or OPS isn't respectable. Its how he got that. When you watch Raburn on a daily basis, its easy to see why we don't like him. The strikout with a key runner on 2nd or 3rd. The pitch 4 feet out of the strike zone that he swings and misses with the bases loaded. The at bat where he can't just make contact, any contact in a crucial situation. That's why we don't like him.

This. He hits when you don't need it but in the most crucial times he fails. The reason Delmon is better is because he puts the ball in play all the time[/quote:x4qp8blr]

Wow.

 

[buddyboy2121]

This. He hits when you don't need it but in the most crucial times he fails. The reason Delmon is better is because he puts the ball in play all the time

Wow.

You must not have watched all the games last year otherwise you would hate Raburn much more than you hate Delmon.

 

[Thumb]

Why do people hate Raburn so much? If you saw his stats attached to any other name, you'd think he was perfectly fine. He doesn't "suck".

No, Raburn sucks.

 

[Thumb]

Wow.

You must not have watched all the games last year otherwise you would hate Raburn much more than you hate Delmon.

I was thinking the same thing about you.

Because besides hitting a HR in his first Tiger AB, and his series against the Yankees, he was no better than Maggs.

Delmon Young is garbage, not quite Inge garbage, but garbage all the same.

 

[kalinecountry]

People, no matter how you look at them, from a month to month, first half to second half, defense in left field, it's like comparing two over ripe mactinosh apples or bananas, each sucks to varying degrees.
The year long eyeball test of watching all the games and all the plays in the field and the at bats by both of them should be enough for everyone to realize neither of them is the answer we really want for the course of 150 plus games. Each has lots of flaws, each has a couple of redeeming qualities, but the negatives for both out weigh the positive.

and by the way, getting back to the thread topic, I don't want to give up what the cubs are asking for, for Garza.

 

[Mitchrapp]

We got way too much garbage. DY, Raburn, Inge, Kelly etc. 2nd, 3rd and left are screwed.

 

[Rebbiv]

[quote="Mitch":zoos59vg]

Even if it was attached to Raburn but didn't see him play. But we do see him play and fail way too much. Its not that his season ending average or OPS isn't respectable. Its how he got that. When you watch Raburn on a daily basis, its easy to see why we don't like him. The strikout with a key runner on 2nd or 3rd. The pitch 4 feet out of the strike zone that he swings and misses with the bases loaded. The at bat where he can't just make contact, any contact in a crucial situation. That's why we don't like him.

This. He hits when you don't need it but in the most crucial times he fails. The reason Delmon is better is because he puts the ball in play all the time[/quote:zoos59vg]


Umm....


Before you try and tackle Context Neutral Wins (WPA/LI), make sure you have a solid understanding of both WPA and LI. Got

 

[Rebbiv]

I disagree. Raburn is a serviceable LFer. He isn't great, but serviceable. Young on the otherhand is not serviceable at all.

And, back to the topic. Garza is no better than Scherzer. Would you give up what has been mentioned to get Scherzer? I think not. We have not addresses 2B or 3B, so why would we go after another SP? Makes no sense.

 

[buddyboy2121]

I disagree. Raburn is a serviceable LFer. He isn't great, but serviceable. Young on the otherhand is not serviceable at all.

And, back to the topic. Garza is no better than Scherzer. Would you give up what has been mentioned to get Scherzer? I think not. We have not addresses 2B or 3B, so why would we go after another SP? Makes no sense.

We technically gave up Granderson and Edwin Jackson for him so no I don't think Garza is really worth that much. I don't think we are actually interested in Garza it's just baseless speculation by a guy that covers a different team. If we acquire a pitcher it will be a young guy who is under control for awhile kinda like Fister.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I gotcha. Compared to DY, Raburn's a beast. WGARA. He still stinks. You want him as bench player against LHP only, okay. But Raburn shouldn't get 400 at bats.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And I never said DY was better than Raburn. I said Raburn sucks and you said show me data. The only data I need is my eyes.

 

[Rebbiv]

Mitch[/color]]I gotcha. Compared to DY, Raburn's a beast. WGARA. He still stinks. You want him as bench player against LHP only, okay. But Raburn shouldn't get 400 at bats.

Good. We will agree to disagree and agree that Young is far worse than Raburn.

The real issue is who is playing 2B and who is playing 3B. Neither Santiago or Kelly have any business starting for any period of time. They are what they are, spot starters and defensive replacements. Neither should even be considered for a platoon. So, who does that leave starting at 3B and 2B? Currently, it looks like Inge and Raburn. And I very much DO NOT want Raburn playing 2B (nor CF, RF, 3B). The only position Raburn has value is LF.

Now, I have stated a few times. I do not like Inge. And would replace him in a heartbeat. However, he is still under contract for another year and I am expecting an improvement over last year (cannot get much worse).

At this point, I am not real confident we are going to get a decent 2B, nor do we have anything on the horizon.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Would you guys want him if we only had to give up Porcello?

 

[Thumb]

Would you guys want him if we only had to give up Porcello?

That would be no gain.

Trading a 3-4 type RHP for a 3-4 type RHP.

What would the point be?

 

[buddyboy2121]

[quote="Maize&blue21":3kklfqax]Would you guys want him if we only had to give up Porcello?

That would be no gain.

Trading a 3-4 type RHP for a 3-4 type RHP.

What would the point be?[/quote:3kklfqax]I don't know you know what Garza is going to give you and is in his prime.

Porcello Career ERA 4.54 WHIP 1.378

Garza Career ERA 3.83 WHIP 1.303


I guess they aren't that different in WHIP terms but Garza also played most of his career in the AL East while Porcello is just finding his identity. I don't think it will happen but i saw something about it so i thought i'd bring it up.