Matt Garza?

[jimrice]

Garza is a free agent after 2013, Porcello after 2015. That matters.

 

[Thumb]

[quote="MI_Thumb":df850i2j]

That would be no gain.

Trading a 3-4 type RHP for a 3-4 type RHP.

What would the point be?

I don't know you know what Garza is going to give you and is in his prime.

Porcello Career ERA 4.54 WHIP 1.378

Garza Career ERA 3.83 WHIP 1.303


I guess they aren't that different in WHIP terms but Garza also played most of his career in the AL East while Porcello is just finding his identity. I don't think it will happen but i saw something about it so i thought i'd bring it up.[/quote:df850i2j]


My point is that they're both back of the rotation guys, I could see it if Garza was a LHP, but as it is the trade would be a push.

 

[buddyboy2121]

[quote="Maize&blue21":ljo989j5]I don't know you know what Garza is going to give you and is in his prime.

Porcello Career ERA 4.54 WHIP 1.378

Garza Career ERA 3.83 WHIP 1.303


I guess they aren't that different in WHIP terms but Garza also played most of his career in the AL East while Porcello is just finding his identity. I don't think it will happen but i saw something about it so i thought i'd bring it up.

My point is that they're both back of the rotation guys, I could see it if Garza was a LHP, but as it is the trade would be a push.[/quote:ljo989j5]Yeah i can see what your saying, if the Tigers trade for a pitcher i think it would have to be in the same situation as Fister, cheap, young, and under control for a while. Michael Pineda wouldn't be a bad option knowing how much pitching depth the Mariners have.

 

[jimrice]

[quote="Maize&blue21":x7a9x4i6]I don't know you know what Garza is going to give you and is in his prime.

Porcello Career ERA 4.54 WHIP 1.378

Garza Career ERA 3.83 WHIP 1.303


I guess they aren't that different in WHIP terms but Garza also played most of his career in the AL East while Porcello is just finding his identity. I don't think it will happen but i saw something about it so i thought i'd bring it up.

My point is that they're both back of the rotation guys, I could see it if Garza was a LHP, but as it is the trade would be a push.[/quote:x7a9x4i6]

How is Garza a "back end" of the rotation guy? He's pretty much had an ERA under 4 and a WHIP under 1.3 for 5 straight years. Verlander doesn't have a string like that. I don't see how Garza wouldn't be the Tiger's number 2 starter. His track record is better than Fister or Max.

 

[byco42]

[quote="Maize&blue21":z1ty2d5b]I don't know you know what Garza is going to give you and is in his prime.

Porcello Career ERA 4.54 WHIP 1.378

Garza Career ERA 3.83 WHIP 1.303


I guess they aren't that different in WHIP terms but Garza also played most of his career in the AL East while Porcello is just finding his identity. I don't think it will happen but i saw something about it so i thought i'd bring it up.

My point is that they're both back of the rotation guys, I could see it if Garza was a LHP, but as it is the trade would be a push.[/quote:z1ty2d5b]

Maybe Garza is back-of-rotation guy on staffs like the Phillies, Angels and Giants but nowhere else.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Solid number 3. I don't worry about WHIP too much as long as he gets out of the inning. I'll disregard his numbers with the Cubs, NL and all, but a 3.80-3.90 is not a number 5. Much better than Penny.

 

[Thumb]

My point is that they're both back of the rotation guys, I could see it if Garza was a LHP, but as it is the trade would be a push.

How is Garza a "back end" of the rotation guy? He's pretty much had an ERA under 4 and a WHIP under 1.3 for 5 straight years. Verlander doesn't have a string like that. I don't see how Garza wouldn't be the Tiger's number 2 starter. His track record is better than Fister or Max.

Garza would not be our #2, he's be our #3 at best, and maybe #4, so in the case of the Tigers he's a back end guy, meaning he starts behind Verlander, Fister, and probably Scherzer.

I wasn't saying he was a #5 type starter, but I don't think he would be a significant upgrade over Porcello, let alone Scherzer.

And either way, it's a moot point, because the Tigers are not going to deal Porcello for him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Based on last seasons numbers he'd slide in at the 3 spot. Scherzer and Porcello, I like both and both have potential, but have not been better than Garza.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/tigers-join-pursuit-of-matt-garza.html
Well mlbtraderumors says the Tigers are now in the hunt.

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbu....s_garza/9034651
Tigers join pursuit of Matt Garza.
from foxsports

Garza is also the Major League Leader in most times spitting during a game he is pitching.

 

[buddyboy2121]

KalineCountry[/color]]http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/tigers-join-pursuit-of-matt-garza.html
Well mlbtraderumors says the Tigers are now in the hunt.

You know what this means, DD will get what he wants

 

[mjsb2]

I'd consider Garza a solid #2 starter going forward.

His improvements in FIP/xFIP weren't because he went to the NL.

It was because of a change in his approach, he threw his fastball less and his secondary pitches more.

He's improved, he's clearly ahead of Scherzer as a starter, and calling him back of the rotation...lol.

 

[buddyboy2121]

If we give up Turner I'm fine with it, you just never know with prospects, Porcello was expected to be the next great thing and look at him now

 

[mhughes0021]

Report: Tigers in mix for Cubs' Matt Garza According to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Tigers have emerged as a suitor for Cubs' right-hander Matt Garza.
The Yankees, Blue Jays and Red Sox have also been mentioned in recent days, but Morosi hears that the Tigers have quietly pursued starting pitchers throughout the offseason. They were involved in talks with the A's for left-hander Gio Gonzalez, but refused to give up third base prospect Nick Castellanos along with prospect right-hander Jacob Turner. It's unlikely they'll have to pay as hefty a price for Garza, who is only under team control for the next two seasons.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/12/31/2673352/matt-garza-rumors-marlins-interested-jays-offering-kyle-drabek
Matt Garza Rumors: Marlins Interested, Jays Offering Kyle Drabek?
from mlbdailydish

If the Tigers are willing to offer their top prospect in Jacob Turner, other teams may need to vastly overpay.

 

[mhughes0021]

KalineCountry[/color]]http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/12/31/2673352/matt-garza-rumors-marlins-interested-jays-offering-kyle-d rabek
Matt Garza Rumors: Marlins Interested, Jays Offering Kyle Drabek?
from mlbdailydish

If the Tigers are willing to offer their top prospect in Jacob Turner, other teams may need to vastly overpay.

giving up turner without an extension on garza would be pretty dumb.

 

[kalinecountry]

KalineCountry[/color]]http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/12/31/2673352/matt-garza-rumors-marlins-interested-jays-offering-kyle-d rabek
Matt Garza Rumors: Marlins Interested, Jays Offering Kyle Drabek?
from mlbdailydish

If the Tigers are willing to offer their top prospect in Jacob Turner, other teams may need to vastly overpay.

giving up turner without an extension on garza would be pretty dumb.

idk what the Tigers are thinking. Maybe they think they have a good chance of contending and winning with a trade for Garza. Thing is, Garza is a FA in 2 years, Turner is cost controlled for another 5/6 years. Even if the Tigers realized after last years 2/3 starts Turner wasn't ready for the majors without some more time at Triple AAA, Garza alone isn't enough to get to the World Series with a real shot at winning imo. Spots in the offense/lineup also need an upgrade.
Garza is good, throws/mixes his pitches up more than in previous years.
Also, from what I read, his FB averages 93.8. Scherzer's was 93.1 in 2011.
Obviously, they need and want to upgrade the rotation. If they do here, I just hope there's another move involved...which probably is the eggs in the Cespedes basket.

and as I posted this, mlbtraderumors has this;
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/tigers-willing-to-deal-jacob-turner.html
Tigers willing to deal Jacob Turner.

 

[buddyboy2121]

KalineCountry[/color]]

giving up turner without an extension on garza would be pretty dumb.

idk what the Tigers are thinking. Maybe they think they have a good chance of contending and winning with a trade for Garza. Thing is, Garza is a FA in 2 years, Turner is cost controlled for another 5/6 years. Even if the Tigers realized after last years 2/3 starts Turner wasn't ready for the majors without some more time at Triple AAA, Garza alone isn't enough to get to the World Series with a real shot at winning imo. Spots in the offense/lineup also need an upgrade.
Garza is good, throws/mixes his pitches up more than in previous years.
Also, from what I read, his FB averages 93.8. Scherzer's was 93.1 in 2011.
Obviously, they need and want to upgrade the rotation. If they do here, I just hope there's another move involved...which probably is the eggs in the Cespedes basket.

and as I posted this, mlbtraderumors has this;
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/tigers-willing-to-deal-jacob-turner.html
Tigers willing to deal Jacob Turner.

I love it, with Garza you are getting a pitcher just entering his prime with consistent good results and a proven pitcher. With keeping Turner you are just hoping he turns out to be the next great thing, he could easily be the next Porcello. I love Turner but if Crosby and Smyly keep improving we still have depth in the minors.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Garza does upgrade our team. Are we WS considers just by adding him, who knows - we were two games from getting their last season. Not sure how I feel about Turner he could be Andrew Miller.

 

[jdeb]

Sounds like the Tigers are going to land him as Turner being the centerpiece.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Mitch[/color]]Garza does upgrade our team. Are we WS considers just by adding him, who knows - we were two games from getting their last season. Not sure how I feel about Turner he could be Andrew Miller.

I like Garza, but really think we could use a lefty. I will say that I was less than impressed with Turner when he was up, so I wouldn't have a huge problem if we traded him for a known commodity like Garza who is still pretty young.

I'm sure it's probably a pipe dream, but I'd love it if we could swing a trade for Cole Hamels. The Phillies are gonna have to pay him soon and with Halladay and Lee ahead of him in the rotation and locked in already on big deals. They also gave big bucks to Howard, Papelbon, Rollins, etc., so I'd have to think they'd have a tough time adding another big money contract.