Matthew Stafford comes in as No. 9 QB in NFL

[brewer229]

Mahomes career QB rating is higher than Stafford's single best season, which was last year's partial season, only year Stafford finished above 100.

If Stafford's next 100 passes are 100 yard TDs, he will still be rated below Mahomes career wise.

Stafford was off to his best season of his 10+ year career, and there isnt a single sane person that wouldn't take Mahomes next year given the choice.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And I was hoping his next contract was with someone else.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2020...ployees-rank-matthew-stafford-top-10-qbs-2020
Notes: NFL team employees rank Matthew Stafford as the 10th-best quarterback.
Stafford is getting from respect from NFL insiders.
POD

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...fford-among-espn-top-quarterbacks/5399350002/
Lions' Matthew Stafford ranks 10th among ESPN's top quarterbacks for 2020.
Detnews

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/08/espn-names-matthew-stafford-a-top-10-qb-heading-into-2020/
ESPN names Matthew Stafford a Top-10 QB heading into 2020.
LionsWire

 

[tomdalton22]

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2020...ployees-rank-matthew-stafford-top-10-qbs-2020
Notes: NFL team employees rank Matthew Stafford as the 10th-best quarterback.
Stafford is getting from respect from NFL insiders.
POD

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...fford-among-espn-top-quarterbacks/5399350002/
Lions' Matthew Stafford ranks 10th among ESPN's top quarterbacks for 2020.
Detnews

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/08/espn-names-matthew-stafford-a-top-10-qb-heading-into-2020/
ESPN names Matthew Stafford a Top-10 QB heading into 2020.
LionsWire

that's fair...he's a good starting QB

 

[Mitchrapp]

I wonder what they ranked him after the previous year, 2018-19?

 

[LKP]

Mahomes career QB rating is higher than Stafford's single best season, which was last year's partial season, only year Stafford finished above 100.

If Stafford's next 100 passes are 100 yard TDs, he will still be rated below Mahomes career wise.

Stafford was off to his best season of his 10+ year career, and there isnt a single sane person that wouldn't take Mahomes next year given the choice.

Maholmes came into a circumstance where Alex Smith was the highest rated QB in the league on that same team. And based on 2018 to 2019, Maholmes QB rating will continue to drop. Stafford got screwed by injuries while playing, weapon injuries some years, terrible rookie team that crushes his rating, no run game and defensive problems some years.

If Maholmes started playing on the Lions in 2009 and dealt with the some issues, his QB rating would be in the 70s

 

[tomdalton22]

Maholmes came into a circumstance where Alex Smith was the highest rated QB in the league on that same team. And based on 2018 to 2019, Maholmes QB rating will continue to drop. Stafford got screwed by injuries while playing, weapon injuries some years, terrible rookie team that crushes his rating, no run game and defensive problems some years.

If Maholmes started playing on the Lions in 2009 and dealt with the some issues, his QB rating would be in the 70s

Alex Smith...that's a good comp for Stafford. Similar career passer rating. Only difference is Smith has 2 seasons with a QB rating over 100...Matt only has one.

 

[LKP]

Alex Smith...that's a good comp for Stafford. Similar career passer rating. Only difference is Smith has 2 seasons with a QB rating over 100...Matt only has one.

Alex Smith led the league in QB rating with KC surrounding talent and health. QB rating is a team effort with some QB talent mixed in.

Maholmes is just in a great situation that Alex Smith can have the highest QB rating in the league on that same team.

Maholmes is very very good. But people are crowning as the best ever way way way too soon. Give him some obstacles like most QBs face and see what he does.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Passer rating is based on team, wins are based on team, stats are based on team, playoff wins are based on team - what does a QB actually do?

 

[LKP]

Passer rating is based on team, wins are based on team, stats are based on team, playoff wins are based on team - what does a QB actually do?

Helps the team. Not every incomplete and int is their fault. Short yardage YPA may not be their fault either could be on the OC. With Bevell, Stafford excelled more down the field than ever before.

It's a team sport and many stats are very interrelated. Especially a complex one like QB rating.

Consider separation. KG and Jones, love them good WRs but they don't separate. Whereas Maholmes gets Kelce and Hill wide open all the time. Makes life easier on certain QBs.

TD oppportunties. KC defense forced 18 more turnovers the last 2 years than Detroit. That provided more opportunities and easier opportunities for Maholmes to rack up TDs which helps his especially 2018 passer rating.

Maholmes was never on a terrible 2009 Lions squad to bring down his passer rating.

In that article on ESPN ranking Stafford 10th, there was quote. Stafford would be a top 5 QB on a better team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I remember when Detroit had a top 5 defense one time during the step on a guys neck era, and Matt S. was terrible that year. People, many people always say Brady was better than Manning because of the SB wins. Does that not count here?

Not sure you can have it both ways.. Wins something that's all your suppose to do, its the job.

 

[tomdalton22]

I remember when Detroit had a top 5 defense one time during the step on a guys neck era, and Matt S. was terrible that year. People, many people always say Brady was better than Manning because of the SB wins. Does that not count here?

Not sure you can have it both ways.. Wins something that's all your suppose to do, its the job.

you have to remember, LKP is a Lion fanboy. The Lions can do no wrong. In one thread he will claim that the team is "holeless" and in another he will throw the rest of the team under the bus for Stafford's mediocre play. He creates imaginary records (true wins). He always has an excuse.

He's a loser with a loser's mentality.

 

[LKP]

I remember when Detroit had a top 5 defense one time during the step on a guys neck era, and Matt S. was terrible that year. People, many people always say Brady was better than Manning because of the SB wins. Does that not count here?

Not sure you can have it both ways.. Wins something that's all your suppose to do, its the job.

They won 11 games. So that kills Stafford hasn't won anything argument. The teams win things. Stafford plus good defense is 11 wins.

Defense was good and forced 27 turnovers which is good
Some weapons were good in Calvin and Tate but that was about it. And both had 1,000 yards with Stafford. Bell and Riddick decent receivers that year. No slot at all in Jeremy Ross. TE rookie Ebron and slow Pettgrew so learning curve there
Joe Lombardi was OC. That's a big problem. Also first year in a system
3.6 1,422 yards rushing. Really terrible support there making it harder for Stafford
Protection was not good either

So Stafford played well that year given the new bad OC, no run game, no protection and no TE/slot WR support. Defense good and Stafford helped the team win 11 games.

 

[sggatecl]

that's fair...he's a good starting QB

And I think most if not all would on this board would agree with that. I think some of us come off as Stafford haters when we have to shout down LKP's crazy takes on Stafford.

 

[LKP]

And I think most if not all would on this board would agree with that. I think some of us come off as Stafford haters when we have to shout down LKP's crazy takes on Stafford.

Stafford is an elite QB. Was called top 5 if he had the proper support in that article by NFL personnel. Him having a higher QB rating than Maholmes is a fact. You all the ones changing the goal posts when I prove Stafford had a higher QB rating 2 of the last 3 seasons.

Also I never claimed 2014 team was holeless. Plus injuries can strike and turn holeless into problems. Also non-holes can underperform. Lions 2014 Oline for instance due to a bad OC and bad Oline coach.

2018/2019 injuries struck hard at very important spots. Holeless teams can get screwed by the refs turning wins into losses.

So yes you can be holeless with an elite QB and still get screwed into losses (bad coaching, underperformance from non-holes at the time, mounting injuries and poor reffing)

2014, 2016 playoffs. 2017 9-7 and screwed out of playoffs by refs. 2018/2019 leading every game and screwed by refs/injuries.

2020 looks great on paper again with normal health. Will they execute like they should and will they stay healthy enough and will the refs stop meddling in close games causing Lions losses. We shall see (unless COVID ruins the season)

 

[kalinecountry]

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/lockedonlions?selected=LKN5476326607
Locked On Detroit Lions Podcast. July 9. 21 minutes.
Stafford makes the ESPN Top 10 QBs. Good discussion on the list. Plus, two draft picks left unsigned.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford is an elite QB. Was called top 5 if he had the proper support in that article by NFL personnel. Him having a higher QB rating than Maholmes is a fact. You all the ones changing the goal posts when I prove Stafford had a higher QB rating 2 of the last 3 seasons.

OK, that article was a poll of NFL executives, players and coaches. One person was quoted as saying he would be a top 5 QB on a better team. But, overall, they rated him #10. That means some people had him higher than 10 and some lower.


2017 Mahomes rookie season, only played in one game.
2018 Mahomes 113.8 to Stafford's 89.9
2019 Mahomes 105.6 to Stafford's 106.0

Over the past 2 seasons Mahomes overall rating was about 109 to Matt's 98

Matt was better in 2017, but over the past 2 seasons, Mahomes has been much better. Saying that Stafford was better than Mahomes in 2019 because he had a rating 0.4 higher while only playing in 8 games is absurd. Even you aren't that stupid...are you?

 

[LKP]

OK, that article was a poll of NFL executives, players and coaches. One person was quoted as saying he would be a top 5 QB on a better team. But, overall, they rated him #10. That means some people had him higher than 10 and some lower.


2017 Mahomes rookie season, only played in one game.
2018 Mahomes 113.8 to Stafford's 89.9
2019 Mahomes 105.6 to Stafford's 106.0

Over the past 2 seasons Mahomes overall rating was about 109 to Matt's 98

Matt was better in 2017, but over the past 2 seasons, Mahomes has been much better. Saying that Stafford was better than Mahomes in 2019 because he had a rating 0.4 higher while only playing in 8 games is absurd. Even you aren't that stupid...are you?

Maholmes had an outlier year with 50 TDs in a super healthly team with great weapons, great run game, super protected team that forced a ton of turnovers and caught the league by surprise in a terrible terrible division. It was the perfect situation for a QB to be in. He is not better than Stafford because of that.

Also if not for injury to this throwing hand causing ints, Stafford is over 100 rating in 2011 (9 ints in 3 games) and 2016 (final 4 games). Also 2018 he was over 100 but then they traded Golden, Marvin got hurt and Kerryon got hurt and Stafford had the back injury the final 5 games. 2017 he was 99 rating. Stafford has been elite since the second half of 2015 (19 TDs 2 int 8 game stretch when Cooter took over for Lombardi mid-season).

 

[tomdalton22]

Maholmes had an outlier year with 50 TDs in a super healthly team with great weapons, great run game, super protected team that forced a ton of turnovers and caught the league by surprise in a terrible terrible division. It was the perfect situation for a QB to be in. He is not better than Stafford because of that.

Also if not for injury to this throwing hand causing ints, Stafford is over 100 rating in 2011 (9 ints in 3 games) and 2016 (final 4 games). Also 2018 he was over 100 but then they traded Golden, Marvin got hurt and Kerryon got hurt and Stafford had the back injury the final 5 games. 2017 he was 99 rating. Stafford has been elite since the second half of 2015 (19 TDs 2 int 8 game stretch when Cooter took over for Lombardi mid-season).

Mahomes has only had 2 full seasons, so it's hard to call one of them an outlier. After 10 years you might find that 2018 was an outlier since he had 50 TDs and over 5000 yards (not sure if that has ever been done before). He has had a rating over 105 in every full season he has played. Matt has played 9 seasons where he played in 10 or more games and he has yet to crack a rating over 100.

 

[LKP]

Mahomes has only had 2 full seasons, so it's hard to call one of them an outlier. After 10 years you might find that 2018 was an outlier since he had 50 TDs and over 5000 yards (not sure if that has ever been done before). He has had a rating over 105 in every full season he has played. Matt has played 9 seasons where he played in 10 or more games and he has yet to crack a rating over 100.

2011, 2016, 2018 he played 100+ QB rating until injuries hit.

2019 he was over 100+

The norm since Caldwell/Bevell is Stafford is a 100+ rating if healthy with average support. 2009 brings down his average. 2012-2014 Stafford was a good QB but needed that next step from coaching. And 2012-2014 Stafford had a ton of obstacles to deal with that Maholmes never had to deal with. He finally got it starting in 2015 and on and Stafford has been elite since then. You need to say it. Stafford is an elite QB

Maholmes is 105+ with incredible support around him. Stafford would have 150 QB rating if he was on the Chiefs team.