Mayhews draft success

[kdp80]

Not as bad as most around here would think

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=detroit-lions&id=123

 

[inkfreq]

Mayhew's drafts have actually been among the most productive in football, according to all the stat guys. To be honest, I can barely add 2+2 and get 4, so I have no idea how valid those stats are, but that's what the experts say.

I think Lion fans are still jaded by 8 years of Millen. Every draft pick he made managed to make the roster, and most of them as starters, because the talent sucked, the free agent signings sucked, and last years draft picks sucked.

We had a team of guys that were drafted under Millen, and that led us to an 0-16 season. Yes, his picks made the team for a couple of years, but they were awful.

When picks don't make the team now, we think it's terrible, a wasted pick. The reality is there is enough talent here that a lot of 5th and 6th round guys won't crack the roster. They aren't good enough, and we're not playing with a team of talentless bums.

Seattle cut it's 4th round pick from this year's draft. Philly cut it's 1st round pick from 2 years ago. The Pats cut a 2nd round pick from two years ago.

The further down the draft you go, the worse the talent. When you have a good team, it's harder and harder for those guys to make the roster. It's not bad drafting, it's a sign of improvement.

I for one am glad to see some of these picks not make the team. Six years ago, those same guys may have been starters for us. We're getting better.

 

[Mitchrapp]

"The Lions haven't had a good success rate in turning mid-to-late-round draft picks into solid backups and special-teams players. In fact, only three players taken below the second round between 2009-11 are still with the team. "

Yes, that's great success :hehe:

 

[Mitchrapp]

And of course this: It's also true that a few of Mayhew's high-profile risks have blown up, most notably running back Jahvid Best and receiver Titus Young. (Best had a concussion history in college, while Young was considered a character concern by many teams.)

Not sure what that article is trying to say outside the fact other teams miss on picks as well. His drafts after round 1 suck. too early for 2013 but before they aren't better than we think.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He even closes with this:

"The Lions' roster was so bare when Mayhew took over in 2009 that it should have been easier for his draft picks to make the team .." so how do you get from this article that "it isn't as bad as it looks"?

 

[cheeno]

Despite picking on average more than 20 picks later than us in every round since 2009. And the quality of he player as well like Levy vs Clay Matthews both "starters".

 

[Mitchrapp]

It also compared the Packers and us - and we didn't get as many starters in that time frame or players in general, which considered they had a much better team basically says Mayhew sucks..

 

[schles192]

It also compared the Packers and us - and we didn't get as many starters in that time frame or players in general, which considered they had a much better team basically says Mayhew sucks..

He did elude to the fact that GB has better coaching so those draft picks stick. It's not all mayhew.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No doubt and fire them all I say. But Mayhew still sucks.

I just found it funny the OP says "we aren't as bad as you might think" and links an article that basically puts Mayhew in a bad light. Does the opposite.

 

[cheeno]

He did elude to the fact that GB has better coaching so those draft picks stick. It's not all mayhew.

Agree on that point. Especially last year the coaches deserve a large part of the blame.

 

[inkfreq]

"So what do we make of all this? In some cases, frankly, I was surprised to see the numbers as close as they were. No team is more committed to the draft than the Packers, and their roster hit rate in recent years hasn't been much better than the Lions'. The biggest distinction might be in depth: The Packers have 16 backup players that they have drafted, while the Lions have 10."

The number show Mayhew is not far off in his drafts from Ted Thompson who is more committed to building through the draft than anyone. In fact the point of the article is that Mayhew hasn't been as bad in his drafts as people think.

Maybe it's perspective. People who think Mayhew is a bad drafter see the negative in the article and people who think Mayhew has done alright see the positive. But from my perspective the article serves to show that while Mayhew hasn't hit on all cylinders, he's closer to being a good drafter than a bad one.

 

[mhughes0021]

"So what do we make of all this? In some cases, frankly, I was surprised to see the numbers as close as they were. No team is more committed to the draft than the Packers, and their roster hit rate in recent years hasn't been much better than the Lions'. The biggest distinction might be in depth: The Packers have 16 backup players that they have drafted, while the Lions have 10."

The number show Mayhew is not far off in his drafts from Ted Thompson who is more committed to building through the draft than anyone. In fact the point of the article is that Mayhew hasn't been as bad in his drafts as people think.

Maybe it's perspective. People who think Mayhew is a bad drafter see the negative in the article and people who think Mayhew has done alright see the positive. But from my perspective the article serves to show that while Mayhew hasn't hit on all cylinders, he's closer to being a good drafter than a bad one.

ive seen a lot of dumb stuff from seifert...this is one of the dumbest. Comparing mayhews drafts to Thompson just because of the number of players still on the team? lmao. dumbest thing I ever heard. Lets compare those players. Lets compare production from those players? Lets compare records? Lets compare how many holes mayhew still had this offseason....I think it was 8 on the defense alone if my memory serves me right.

 

[cheeno]

ive seen a lot of dumb stuff from seifert...this is one of the dumbest. Comparing mayhews drafts to Thompson just because of the number of players still on the team? lmao. dumbest thing I ever heard. Lets compare those players. Lets compare production from those players? Lets compare records? Lets compare how many holes mayhew still had this offseason....I think it was 8 on the defense alone if my memory serves me right.

I know. I hate the Packers but they find gems in the draft. Essentially calling Ryan Broyles and Randall Cobb a push because they are both starters is a joke.

 

[mhughes0021]

I know. I hate the Packers but they find gems in the draft. Essentially calling Ryan Broyles and Randall Cobb a push because they are both starters is a joke.

It'd be titus vs cobb. And as you mentioned levy vs mathews. Best vs anyone. Not to mention we piss away picks so often it pushes the %AGE he's talking about up cause we pick less.

 

[LKP]

Mayhew is a great drafter, great with trades and great with free agency. We are lucky to have him as GM. Lions better extend him if they already didn't when the extended Schwartz.

 

[Mitchrapp]

:lmao::lmao:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

:cheers:

 

[LKP]

Your hate is noted and when we make the playoffs I will gladly tell you I told you so. It starts on Sunday.

 

[inkfreq]

I understand the negativity of folks like Mitch and Hughes on this board. We are all lions fans our team hasn't given us much to be positive about in any of our lifetimes.

I think Mayhew has done an alright job. Not exceptional. Not anywhere near as bad as teams like Oakland and St. Louis.

I think we are still headed in the right direction.

Firing a manager or coach usually signals rebuilding. It's the time for new parts, big time trades, and new faces. I don't see where any of that helps this team.

Schwartz hasn't been an amazing coach, and he's got some glaring weaknesses to be sure. But he knows his players and they are growing in his system. He's the right guy in my opinion to stay at the helm of this team a few more years.

I don't think it's time to throw the baby out with the bath water. Rebuilding from a winless team was never going to be an easy job and I think we are dealing Mayhew and Schwartz pretty ugly hand expecting a total turn around in four to five seasons. It took Millen eight years to completely cripple this team and destroying a team is always easier than building one.

The Lions have some big challenges left, but a lot fewer holes than where we started this ride, and better depth behind a lot of our players. We're still trending up, with a few bumps in the road here and there, but it's not the downward spiral we're used to.

 

[LKP]

Ted Thomspon missed the playoffs 3 of his 4 years too with a HOF QB inheriting a much better team than the 0-16 Lions.. Year 4 he blew chunks too with Aaron Rodgers at the helm going from playoff team to 6-10 with a lot of closs loses. And that was in a very weak 2008 NFC North with the winless Millen Lions for 2 of those 6 wins. Give Mayhew this year to prove the haters wrong.


This Lions team has a ton of talent and is a playoff caliber team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Your hate is noted and when we make the playoffs I will gladly tell you I told you so. It starts on Sunday.

See, this shouldn't be an "I told you so" argument. If they win 4-5 games I'm certainly not going to say it.

I'll be as happy as you if they make the playoffs. Somehow I believe you think the Lions mean more to you than myself. Like I'm rooting for them to fail.