My way too early yardage prediction thread

[tomdalton22]

Team wins and loses with the QB Tony, whether its fair or not. How often do teams win the SB or make deep runs despite the QB? Doesn't happen. Yes, there needs to be improvement on all sides of the ball, that goes without saying. But if Stafford doesn't start playing like he's capable of, and continues to be just an average QB, team's not going to go anywhere.

some teams can make deep runs with average QB play but those teams aren't built like the Lions. The Lions are built AROUND the passing game. When you build your team around the passing game and your QB has shitty games you are going to lose. You build your team around a good defense and balanced offensive attack you can have a shitty game out of your QB and still win.

 

[dubbsco]

Some teams, but it doesn't happen very often. The days of winning an SB with Trent Dilfer seem to be over.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Some teams, but it doesn't happen very often. The days of winning an SB with Trent Dilfer seem to be over.

I don't think so. It's just evolved. Russel Wilson isn't that different than Trent Dilfer. In today's game, Wilson is a great game manager that runs his offensive effectively.....not too unlike Dilfer.

Today's QB's are going to put up larger #'s because of systems and defensive rule changes. But Seattle won that Lombardi with DEFENSE.....not because of Russell Wilson.

 

[tonyballs]

Team wins and loses with the QB Tony, whether its fair or not. How often do teams win the SB or make deep runs despite the QB? Doesn't happen. Yes, there needs to be improvement on all sides of the ball, that goes without saying. But if Stafford doesn't start playing like he's capable of, and continues to be just an average QB, team's not going to go anywhere.

I agree to a point. Teams go as the QB goes, but it's to a certain degree. Too much blame for wins and losses are on the QB. It's been like that forever though and it's not fair...

 

[dubbsco]

Look at the prior champions. Giants, Ravens, Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Saints. Those teams have all won SBs with damn good QBs. I get Russell Wilson had a superior defense, but that guy put up great stats. Winning the whole thing requires great play out of the most important position. Trent Dilfer was a blip in the radar of the SB winning QBs.

 

[tonyballs]

Look at the prior champions. Giants, Ravens, Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Saints. Those teams have all won SBs with damn good QBs. I get Russell Wilson had a superior defense, but that guy put up great stats. Winning the whole thing requires great play out of the most important position. Trent Dilfer was a blip in the radar of the SB winning QBs.

If Eli or Flacco can win a SB, then any QB in this league can. Especially Stafford...

 

[dubbsco]

Flacco had one of the most ridiculous QB runs when they last won the SB. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have done anything. Eli has won two and has had great moments. Like him or not, he's a great QB. The Lions revolve around their passing game. If he struggles, the Lions won't win, the D is not nearly good enough to carry them.

 

[LKP]

If Eli or Flacco can win a SB, then any QB in this league can. Especially Stafford...

And look at the Ravens and Giants secondaries those years too. I'll take the Lions secondary over both of them.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Flacco had one of the most ridiculous QB runs when they last won the SB. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have done anything. Eli has won two and has had great moments. Like him or not, he's a great QB. The Lions revolve around their passing game. If he struggles, the Lions won't win, the D is not nearly good enough to carry them.

Why can't some of joes success be given to anquan boldin too? He exploded that playoffs and finished with nearly 400 yards to rank 7th all time for a post season. And is anyone saying stafford doesn't have those exact same stretches of brilliance? The first half of last year he looked elite. It all fell apart when turnover mania started happening and a CJ wearing down with injury.

 

[tonyballs]

Flacco had one of the most ridiculous QB runs when they last won the SB. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have done anything. Eli has won two and has had great moments. Like him or not, he's a great QB. The Lions revolve around their passing game. If he struggles, the Lions won't win, the D is not nearly good enough to carry them.

Flacco is a joke. He pulled the wool over everyones eyes with that run. I agree, he killed it, but he's a mediocre QB at best.
And Eli isn't great. He's good. They won one of thos SBs off pure luck on a prayer and he was bailed out by his WR.
Lions have a pretty good running game now too. Stafford has a little bit of wiggle room. He needs to be smarter though and i'm not knocking the defense just yet. IMO they have improved with some nice additions and subtractions. Saying that, i don't think they're any where near a SB run...

 

[boogerlovejoy]

And look at the Ravens and Giants secondaries those years too. I'll take the Lions secondary over both of them.

Shut the fuck up......adults are talking.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Flacco had one of the most ridiculous QB runs when they last won the SB. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have done anything. Eli has won two and has had great moments. Like him or not, he's a great QB. The Lions revolve around their passing game. If he struggles, the Lions won't win, the D is not nearly good enough to carry them.

Are you serious?? You rip Stafford and say Eli is a great QB??? Look at the numbers.

Stafford has a better comp %, INT %, TD %, QB rating, Yards/Att, sack %, and a lower fumble rate.

All this, and Eli has had a better running game, better OL, and a better WR corp than Staff has had (though Staff has had the better individual WR, no doubt) over their careers.

Eli is average at best......he's led the league in INT 3 different times.....turnovers 4 different times. Yes, he has two rings.......but it's pretty damn easy to make the argument that NY has won those in SPITE of having Eli as a QB, not because of it.

 

[LKP]

Shut the fuck up......adults are talking.

LOL. I know more than you ever will about Detroit.

 

[dubbsco]

17 TDs, 8 INT, about a 90 rating in 11 playoff games. 2011 had a run with 9 TDs vs 1 pick. Hate the guy all you want, but he has delivered on the big stage twice. Anyone who wins two SBs must be doing something right.

I'm not the biggest Eli Manning fan around. But the SB champs in the past decade have had quarterbacks who have delivered big time and are damn good. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben. You have to have a guy that can step up in the playoffs and have big moments. Stafford hasn't even done that in the regular season yet. You can win a Super Bowl with the guy, but he needs to prove that he's a great QB, and he hasn't done that yet.

 

[sggatecl]

17 TDs, 8 INT, about a 90 rating in 11 playoff games. 2011 had a run with 9 TDs vs 1 pick. Hate the guy all you want, but he has delivered on the big stage twice. Anyone who wins two SBs must be doing something right.

You'll have to forgive Lions fans. It's hard for them to wrap their head around playoff stats because they're unfamiliar with the concept.

They'd much prefer to look at career regular season stats because that's the benchmark around these parts.

 

[LKP]

Stafford can deliver like that. Especially against Atlanta, Green Bay and Pats defenses of 2011.

Nicks, Cruz, Manningham in his prime, Bradshaw. The power of multiple weapons.

 

[mhughes0021]

Flacco is a joke. He pulled the wool over everyones eyes with that run. I agree, he killed it, but he's a mediocre QB at best.
And Eli isn't great. He's good. They won one of thos SBs off pure luck on a prayer and he was bailed out by his WR.
Lions have a pretty good running game now too. Stafford has a little bit of wiggle room. He needs to be smarter though and i'm not knocking the defense just yet. IMO they have improved with some nice additions and subtractions. Saying that, i don't think they're any where near a SB run...

The Manningham throw on the sideline was the best throw in any game ive ever seen. Eli made plays in big moments to elevate his team. Stafford never has had a big moment unless you count beating Cleveland while injured years ago to see who the worst team in the NFL is or beating dallas last year on the qb sneak so both teams can fail to go to the playoffs....yippie.

 

[dubbsco]

Through all of my bashing of Stafford, I actually like the guy. I think he has talent for days (which I have said multiple times). That's why it angers me so much that he hasn't done what is expected of him, and the Lions continue to justify it by drafting weapons for him. He doesn't make players look better. His footwork and technique (which were well-documented even at Georgia) continue to struggle going into his 6th year. IMO, this is his make or break year. A career 83 rating and a very average TD/INT ratio just won't cut it anymore.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

17 TDs, 8 INT, about a 90 rating in 11 playoff games. 2011 had a run with 9 TDs vs 1 pick. Hate the guy all you want, but he has delivered on the big stage twice. Anyone who wins two SBs must be doing something right.

I'm not the biggest Eli Manning fan around. But the SB champs in the past decade have had quarterbacks who have delivered big time and are damn good. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben. You have to have a guy that can step up in the playoffs and have big moments. Stafford hasn't even done that in the regular season yet. You can win a Super Bowl with the guy, but he needs to prove that he's a great QB, and he hasn't done that yet.

All those guys have much better TEAMS than Detroit has had. Why does nobody take that into account. Why are guys like Eli winning Super Bowls when there are Brady's, Peyton Mannings's, Rodgers's, and Brees's in the league??

If Super Bowls is your only criteria in how good a qb is......then Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, Jim McMahon and Mark Rypien are all better than Dan Marino.

Terrible argument.

 

[dubbsco]

The throw to Tyree was made possible by his crazy footwork in the pocket. His throw to Manningham was one of the best plays you will ever see in the clutch. The level that his stepped his game up to on the big stage is something Stafford has yet to do. Instead, we see 0-9 performances against Pitt. Or big turnovers in the clutch. Or him going 235 yards, 1 td/3 INT in one of the biggest Monday night games the Lions have had in memory against Baltimore.