My way too early yardage prediction thread

[mhughes0021]

No it doesn't. I can't believe you are that stupid.

Mathis, Slay Houston> Greenwood,Green
Mathis,Slay Houston>>>>>Robinson

Greenwood and Green>Robinson.

That is a very viable situation.

Houston was just released cause he sucks so bad...therefor:

Houston > Dirt
Robinson > Houston
which in your scenario makes:
Robinson > Greenwood, Green

 

[dubbsco]

All I know is that this division was about as wide open as you can get last year. It was there for the taking. And Stafford threw up all over himself when it mattered most, against Baltimore and the Giants, both at home. That's not what an elite QB does.

 

[tonyballs]

I was there in person. The throw to Durham was fantastic. It's what you expect a top-level QB to make, hitting a guy in stride on a deep route. But it's not even in the same stratosphere as the Manning to Manningham throw.

Sure it was. Manningham throw was better because of the situation though. SB compared to a regular season game? SB wins everytime. Also, factor in Manningham keeping his feet in on the sidelines was insane...

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah it was. No doubt about that. But the throw to Durham is one that you see with regularity, hard throw in a tight window, hit the WR in stride. That's what drives me crazy about him. He can make that throw, but then he just does the dumbest shit known to man.

Manning could not have put that ball anywhere else for Manningham. It was perfect. And it was the definition of clutch. There's something about doing that in an SB vs a regular season game.

 

[tonyballs]

Houston was just released cause he sucks so bad...therefor:

Houston > Dirt
Robinson > Houston
which in your scenario makes:
Robinson > Greenwood, Green

Robinson is brutal, dude. Own it...

 

[tomdalton22]

All I know is that this division was about as wide open as you can get last year. It was there for the taking. And Stafford threw up all over himself when it mattered most, against Baltimore and the Giants, both at home. That's not what an elite QB does.

Don't forget about TB and the Steelers...two more teams that missed the playoffs where Stafford shit the bed.

 

[tonyballs]

All I know is that this division was about as wide open as you can get last year. It was there for the taking. And Stafford threw up all over himself when it mattered most, against Baltimore and the Giants, both at home. That's not what an elite QB does.

Can't put it all on Stafford those games.....be realistic.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

All I know is that this division was about as wide open as you can get last year. It was there for the taking. And Stafford threw up all over himself when it mattered most, against Baltimore and the Giants, both at home. That's not what an elite QB does.

Who, besides that idiot LKP, are you arguing with?

I have never once said Stafford is elite, and I'm pretty sure Tony hasn't either. He isn't. Yet.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with LKP a little and point out that you have to take some things into context before making some arguments. The Lions, as a team, are not ANYWHERE close to being as good as any of the teams you mentioned. If this roster was full of all pros and Stafford was the only reason for the losing.....i'd agree with you 110%. But it isn't.

 

[tonyballs]

Don't forget about TB and the Steelers...two more teams that missed the playoffs where Stafford shit the bed.

Wasn't totally Staffords fault in those games either.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Can't put it all on Stafford those games.....be realistic.

I was at the Baltimore game. All Dub seems to remember is the two awful throws. He lead a great 4th quarter comeback and threw two balls to CJ that were TD that CJ just dropped. DROPPED. Not throws that were off, or high, or he had to make great catches on......two balls that were right in his hands, chest high, in stride.....and CJ dropped em.

Tough to blame Staff when he did just about everything he could, in THAT game, to win.

 

[tonyballs]

Who, besides that idiot LKP, are you arguing with?

I have never once said Stafford is elite, and I'm pretty sure Tony hasn't either. He isn't. Yet.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with LKP a little and point out that you have to take some things into context before making some arguments. The Lions, as a team, are not ANYWHERE close to being as good as any of the teams you mentioned. If this roster was full of all pros and Stafford was the only reason for the losing.....i'd agree with you 110%. But it isn't.

I never said Stafford was elite either. I just refuse to put all the blame on the QB. Stafford was dryfucked by some of his teammates last year. In crucial times too where Stafford made plays and his boys didn't. That whole team takes the blame for that meltdown last year...

 

[tomdalton22]

Wasn't totally Staffords fault in those games either.

of course not...100% of the blame can not be placed on him in any of those games. On the other hand...if he even plays a decent in any of those games and they likely win. That is the flaw of how this team is built...if the QB plays poorly the team is likely going to lose.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

of course not...100% of the blame can not be placed on him in any of those games. On the other hand...if he even plays a decent in any of those games and they likely win. That is the flaw of how this team is built...if the QB plays poorly the team is likely going to lose.

Ever watch NE and Denver?

Pretty much the same thing.

 

[tonyballs]

of course not...100% of the blame can not be placed on him in any of those games. On the other hand...if he even plays a decent in any of those games and they likely win. That is the flaw of how this team is built...if the QB plays poorly the team is likely going to lose.

And that's why they went out and acquired players like Tate and Ebron. So we don't have to see shit like Ogletree and Durham

 

[tomdalton22]

Ever watch NE and Denver?

Pretty much the same thing.

right...but NE and Denver have Elite QBs...the Lions don't

 

[tomdalton22]

And that's why they went out and acquired players like Tate and Ebron. So we don't have to see shit like Ogletree and Durham

That should help but if Stafford has terrible games like he has the team is still likely to lose. Still on his shoulders unless they get a good defense and strong running game.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I never said Stafford was elite either. I just refuse to put all the blame on the QB. Stafford was dryfucked by some of his teammates last year. In crucial times too where Stafford made plays and his boys didn't. That whole team takes the blame for that meltdown last year...

Exactly.

Just because LKP is off his fucking rocker and has an IV pumping in Vodka & Honolulu blue Kool-Aid 24/7.......doesn't mean everyone else does.

Stafford was bad the 2nd half of last year. Bad. So was CJ, to a degree. So was the defense.....so was Schwartz, Gunther and Linehan.

Blaming Stafford for all of it is just wrong. He plays QB, so the largest part of the blame is, and SHOULD, be on his shoulders.

But he isn't bad. He isn't average. He is a good, young, NFL QB that has the talent to lead a team into the playoffs.

 

[tonyballs]

That should help but if Stafford has terrible games like he has the team is still likely to lose. Still on his shoulders unless they get a good defense and strong running game.

Running game is strong.

 

[tonyballs]

Exactly.

Just because LKP is off his fucking rocker and has an IV pumping in Vodka & Honolulu blue Kool-Aid 24/7.......doesn't mean everyone else does.

Stafford was bad the 2nd half of last year. Bad. So was CJ, to a degree. So was the defense.....so was Schwartz, Gunther and Linehan.

Blaming Stafford for all of it is just wrong. He plays QB, so the largest part of the blame is, and SHOULD, be on his shoulders.

But he isn't bad. He isn't average. He is a good, young, NFL QB that has the talent to lead a team into the playoffs.

Bro, i 110% agree. Nothing to argue about lol

 

[tomdalton22]

Exactly.

Just because LKP is off his fucking rocker and has an IV pumping in Vodka & Honolulu blue Kool-Aid 24/7.......doesn't mean everyone else does.

Stafford was bad the 2nd half of last year. Bad. So was CJ, to a degree. So was the defense.....so was Schwartz, Gunther and Linehan.

Blaming Stafford for all of it is just wrong. He plays QB, so the largest part of the blame is, and SHOULD, be on his shoulders.

But he isn't bad. He isn't average. He is a good, young, NFL QB that has the talent to lead a team into the playoffs.

I agree with most of this except for calling Stafford good. I think he has been above average...a middle of the road starter that has a strong arm but lacks the accuracy and consistency needed to take the next step.