My way too early yardage prediction thread

[mhughes0021]

Ever watch NE and Denver?

Pretty much the same thing.

but they don't play poorly...which means both those teams get to the playoffs every year. Which is proving our point...Stafford cant carry a team, and the team around him isn't very good. Youre both right.

 

[kdp80]

I agree with most of this except for calling Stafford good. I think he has been above average...a middle of the road starter that has a strong arm but lacks the accuracy and consistency needed to take the next step.

Well put. Stafford does have room to grow though. Shitty coaching is partially to blame for his lack of development. The fact that the Lions are finally trying to fix his footwork heading into his 6th season proves that.

 

[dubbsco]

Booger, the guy went 18/34, had a 48 rating. Two throws isn't going to cover up the fact that he played horrible. And then he followed it up with a 25/42 performance, with a 54 rating. I get he needs help. The reason I am so damn critical of the guy is that I knew he can be good, but hasn't shown it yet. I am going to put a lot of the blame on him for those last two games. It's his job to step up when his team needs him the most and put them on his back. He didn't. Hopefully these coaches and "weapons" (can't stand hearing that word combined with Matt Stafford) will get him over the hump. If he doesn't perform well this season, it's time to start considering other options.

 

[LKP]

They scored 15 offensive points in the second half against Giants with Stafford throwing crucial 3rd downs on both drives, plus the 2 point and the only drive his fault that failed was the pick 6.

OT Dickerson dropped a ball in for hurt Pettigrew and then held.

 

[dubbsco]

15 offensive points, wee. What about the 3 the Lions had in the first half? Does that vanish?

 

[LKP]

15 offensive points, wee. What about the 3 the Lions had in the first half? Does that vanish?

Tipped ball, sack on a long drive and Reggie Bush fumble. Not his fault.

4 drives, one Fg, three ended not Staffords fault.

And on the tipped ball drive, he completed a good pass to Bell who got in the Giants redzone. Holding call on Sims that was bogus negating the play. More bullshit not Staffords fault.

 

[LKP]

You can boil it all down to one pick 6 if you want. But that's dumb considering every other drive ended in a score or something that wasn't Staffords fault. Plus Calvin severly limited, no Pettigrew or Broyles and Waddle missed half the game too.

 

[dubbsco]

You sold me. Stafford isn't responsible for anything. It's all bad luck/BS calls.

 

[LKP]

You sold me. Stafford isn't responsible for anything. It's all bad luck/BS calls.

the Sims call was BS if you watched it. The fumble and sacks I never said were bad luck. It's just not Staffords fault.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

the Sims call was BS if you watched it. The fumble and sacks I never said were bad luck. It's just not Staffords fault.

I wish you'd stop posting.....you ruin every thread.

 

[LKP]

I wish you'd stop posting.....you ruin every thread.

I ruined nothing. I gave you the facts and you don't like them for some reason.

 

[dubbsco]

Here's what I want you to do LKP. Because you justify every turnover for Stafford, you need to go back and look at every turnover in the NFL from every QB. It's all relative. Stafford does not have more or less luck than any other QB. It evens out. When the smoke clears, Stafford is an above average QB. He is a middle of the pack player RIGHT NOW. Not talking what he's going to do in 5 years.

 

[LKP]

Here's what I want you to do LKP. Because you justify every turnover for Stafford, you need to go back and look at every turnover in the NFL from every QB. It's all relative. Stafford does not have more or less luck than any other QB. It evens out. When the smoke clears, Stafford is an above average QB. He is a middle of the pack player RIGHT NOW. Not talking what he's going to do in 5 years.

I have done this. But the point is I can accept 12 ints his fault given his attempts and all the good he does. That is what makes him a good QB.

Tuck pick and Bush fumble were not Staffords fault. Neither was the sack. 3 points only scored on 4 first half drives was the teams fault, not Staffords. And 15 points is great for a half of play. Ross helped with a return too.

 

[tomdalton22]

I have done this. But the point is I can accept 12 ints his fault given his attempts and all the good he does. That is what makes him a good QB.

Tuck pick and Bush fumble were not Staffords fault. Neither was the sack. 3 points only scored on 4 first half drives was the teams fault, not Staffords. And 15 points is great for a half of play. Ross helped with a return too.

really only a net of 8 since he gave NYG 7.

 

[dubbsco]

15 points is not "great." It's fine. You can't call two TDs in a half great. It's actually pretty bad for an offense that is supposed to be super potent.

 

[sggatecl]

Here's what I want you to do LKP. Because you justify every turnover for Stafford, you need to go back and look at every turnover in the NFL from every QB. It's all relative.

I have done this.

lol...You're so full of shit. Stop trolling.

 

[kdp80]

I have done this. But the point is I can accept 12 ints his fault given his attempts and all the good he does. That is what makes him a good QB.

Stopped reading right here. You need to make a list of what makes him a NOT good qb. Think you would be surprised. With all the losing he's done in his career it is difficult to consider him good yet. Good quarterbacks win games, and regularly get they're teams into the playoffs. After last year it's difficult to see him in the top 15 in the league. Do you think the Lions miss the playoffs with Brees, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Cam, Luck, Wilson, Kaepernic, or Alex Smith. I think not. Feel free to add to that list everyone.

 

[dubbsco]

Thank you KDP. This is what I have stressed over and over in this thread. You put any QB that has the ability to make big plays and put his team on his shoulders when asked, and this team is in the playoffs, regardless if they lose in the 1st round or not. This division was PRIME for the taking. I would guarantee that Rivers, Luck, Rodgers, Brees, or any QB who is in the upper levels would have given them a 1st-round home playoff game.

 

[dubbsco]

I just thought about your justification for tipped balls... Isn't that still Stafford's fault? Doesn't the job of the QB involve putting the ball where only the WR can catch it? As a Michigan fan, I lived with countless years of that giant John Navarre throwing it into the LOS almost every play, and I didn't think to myself, "Man, that's bad luck."

 

[LKP]

15 points is not "great." It's fine. You can't call two TDs in a half great. It's actually pretty bad for an offense that is supposed to be super potent.

15 per half is 30 a game. That's great.