Over under for commits in the next week

[Sbee]

You're the ****ing idiot who says 11-2 is our ceiling when we finished a season 13-1 like 17 months ago. Go continue sucking on a bag of dicks.

spartanmack is an expert at predicting the ceiling of a team, just like basketball

 

[johnny2x2x]

Actually, I said:



that's a prediction - it's not disqualified by what happened in the past. And by "essentially" you should have inferred that I acknowledge it's possible that we could break through the ceiling on occasion but the point is that if the current talent differential were to persist between us and elite, powerhouse teams like OSU, Oregon, etc, we can expect to lose those games 70%+ of the time. You do realize that 2013 is in the past and that the past is not guaranteed to repeat itself, right? Particularly considering that circumstances have changed - OSU was still rebuilding in 2013 but it now appears to be an established powerhouse and michigan is likely to improve dramatically and quickly (that's also a prediction - I know you think it's a foregone conclusion that michigan will never rebuild and be competitive again but that's just partisan nonsense).

Maybe if you weren't so hell bent on disagreeing w/ everything I say and being an asshole to anyone who doesn't only heap praise on the program you wouldn't make such an ass of yourself all the time. What I said was not only not wrong, it's wasn't even pessimistic or a criticism of the program.

You're a loser and there's no ****ing way you went to MSU because you would have gotten your ass kicked daily until you transferred to Olympia Institute.

 

[Spartanmack]

spartanmack is an expert at predicting the ceiling of a team, just like basketball

So if the team that actually won the ACC got the 1 seed while dook, who didn't win the conf regular season or tournament got the 2 seed, how far off would I have been? Yeah, I was WAY off on that one - they showed they belonged in the final four.

By the way, how expert are you at predicting outcomes for the hoops team? Don't forget you're on record predicting Spartan victories twice against dook in the NCAA tournament. How close did we come to winning either one of those?

 

[Spartanmack]

You're a ****ing loser and there's no ****ing way you went to MSU because you would have gotten your ass kicked daily until you transferred to Olympia Institute. Go tell it to the guy you're currently blowing in the ally behind the QD.

I'm a proud graduate of MSU and a bigger fan than you will ever be. There's more to being a fan than reading recruiting sites and regurgitating what some blogger tells you about the program and fabricating a pro-MSU distortion of the historical record. Coming from the guy who cries like a little bitch every time someone calls him out for his bull shit he can't back up, I think it's obvious who got the crap kicked out of him his whole life. Dumbass.

I find it particularly amusing that you're casting dispersions about my sexuality when if MD put an ad in the paper for a fluff boy for the recruiting program, you'd be the first person in line for the job. I can see you happily deep throating half the top 150. You could change your name to Johnnybukake....

 

[Sbee]

So if the team that actually won the ACC got the 1 seed while dook, who didn't win the conf regular season or tournament got the 2 seed, how far off would I have been? Yeah, I was WAY off on that one - they showed they belonged in the final four.

By the way, how expert are you at predicting outcomes for the hoops team? Don't forget you're on record predicting Spartan victories twice against dook in the NCAA tournament. How close did we come to winning either one of those?

I predicted that we'd beat Duke, I thought we would but I was wrong. sometimes you just get it wrong, if I never did I'd be rich living in vegas somewhere. it's sports, you sometimes get it wrong and sometimes you go with your heart vs your head.

You twice said that MSU's ceiling was just making the tournament, but you kept arguing that you were right after we made the final four, you're still doing it now. you said that twice in two different threads, but then said that you misspoke.

you just said that our ceiling would be 11-2 or 10-3 but Johnny pointed out that we were 13-1 in 2013. you continue to argue that as well

we're all wrong sometimes, some of us can admit it.

 

[Spartanmack]

I predicted that we'd beat Duke, I thought we would but I was wrong. sometimes you just get it wrong, if I never did I'd be rich living in vegas somewhere. it's sports, you sometimes get it wrong and sometimes you go with your heart vs your head.

You twice said that MSU's ceiling was just making the tournament, but you kept arguing that you were right after we made the final four, you're still doing it now. you said that twice in two different threads, but then said that you misspoke.

you just said that our ceiling would be 11-2 or 10-3 but Johnny pointed out that we were 13-1 in 2013. you continue to argue that as well

we're all wrong sometimes, some of us can admit it.

again, what does being 13-1 in 2013 have to do with our ceiling going forward? That is such a stupid argument. I even said it "WILL essentially be" not that it always has been. Clearly before MD, our ceiling was much lower - but that is also irrelevant.

That's not what I said I misspoke about - go back and reread the thread.

So are you saying Johnny can admit he's wrong? Show me one time where he has. So far, just off the top of my head he's been wrong about:

Fou Fonoti
Johnny Adams
Tom Izzo out-recruiting the rest of the B1G
FSU being overrated in 2013
OSU being better in 2013 than 2014

Just to name a few - never admitted once that he was wrong.

As for my comments about the hoops team ceiling, I think our tournament run was more of an aberration than indication of anything else - they were NOT a final four caliber team, but they got pretty lucky, played well against Louisville and had a great run. I enjoyed it thoroughly and was happy for them, but in the end it was pretty clear we didn't belong there. So maybe I was wrong about that - I don't think so, but for arguments sake I'll concede that one. That's 1 argument out of 6 and it's indisputable that I was right about the other 5 yet you say I'm the asshole who can't admit he's wrong. Maybe it's because I'm always pimp slapping you on the politics board or because I don't hate michigan or because I'm right over 80% of the time here...

 

[Sbee]

again, what does being 13-1 in 2013 have to do with our ceiling going forward? That is such a stupid argument. I even said it "WILL essentially be" not that it always has been. Clearly before MD, our ceiling was much lower - but that is also irrelevant.

That's not what I said I misspoke about - go back and reread the thread.

So are you saying Johnny can admit he's wrong? Show me one time where he has. So far, just off the top of my head he's been wrong about:

Fou Fonoti
Johnny Adams
Tom Izzo out-recruiting the rest of the B1G
FSU being overrated in 2013
OSU being better in 2013 than 2014

Just to name a few - never admitted once that he was wrong.

As for my comments about the hoops team ceiling, I think our tournament run was more of an aberration than indication of anything else - they were NOT a final four caliber team, but they got pretty lucky, played well against Louisville and had a great run. I enjoyed it thoroughly and was happy for them, but in the end it was pretty clear we didn't belong there. So maybe I was wrong about that - I don't think so, but for arguments sake I'll concede that one. That's 1 argument out of 6 and it's indisputable that I was right about the other 5 yet you say I'm the asshole who can't admit he's wrong. Maybe it's because I'm always pimp slapping you on the politics board or because I don't hate michigan or because I'm right over 80% of the time here...

I don't call johnny out because he' not a prick.

we can get into it about the ceiling comments on basketball and football, though it's pointless, sometimes amusing, but still pointless.

that's a big man's apology, "maybe, i don't think so, but for argument's sake." it reminds me of the movie clear history, where Larry David says to John Ham "I apologized, i said the words, it doesn't have to be sincere" and he responds "that's the one thing that an apology has to be is sincere."

the pimp slapping comment made me laugh, we engage in discussion over there though I haven't lately. we are simply two people with different views arguing over issues, it's not like there is an objective right or wrong on most of them but I guess in your mind you're always right and "pimp slapping me." You really have a big ego, you can't admit when you're wrong and you have some inflated sense of self worth, very little humilty. You do a good job of living up to the stereotype of the typical wall street asshole

 

[Spartan23MSU]

The pimp hand is getting strong in this recruiting class

 

[johnny2x2x]

To get back on topic. The King commitment is not only huge for bringing in one if the best D linemen in the nation, it also means the DreamTeam's plans seem to be coming together. Robertson, Jones, and Panasiuk are happening. A suprise or two will happen tomorrow.

And it seems like the class is very close to each other and involved. It's going to hold together and I think will add several more big name recruits.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

To get back on topic. The King commitment is not only huge for bringing in one if the best D linemen in the nation, it also means the DreamTeam's plans seem to be coming together. Robertson, Jones, and Panasiuk are happening. A suprise or two will happen tomorrow.

And it seems like the class is very close to each other and involved. It's going to hold together and I think will add several more big name recruits.

Lots of momentum it makes me a bit smug. Would love to have quinn nordin go GREEN. Kickers are overlooked many times. This class should be top 6 in the next few weeks depending on who commits to other schools in that time period. If we could finish top 8-10 by next year that would be pretty filthy.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Lots of momentum it makes me a bit smug. Would love to have quinn nordin go GREEN. Kickers are overlooked many times. This class should be top 6 in the next few weeks depending on who commits to other schools in that time period. If we could finish top 8-10 by next year that would be pretty filthy.

We have 14 commits, think we take 10 more:

Robertson
Jones
Panasiuk
Brandon Randle

Corley
L Hill
Aleric Jackson
Luke Ferrell
Quinn Nordin

LB/DL

 

[Spartan23MSU]

We have 14 commits, think we take 10 more:

Robertson
Jones
Panasiuk
Brandon Randle

Corley
L Hill
Aleric Jackson
Luke Ferrell
Quinn Nordin

LB/DL

Khareem is going to miss the damn bus if he doesnt get on board!

 

[johnny2x2x]

Khareem is going to miss the damn bus if he doesnt get on board!

I think he is still and MSU lean, the visit yesterday went very well, but I think King and Robertson give him pause. UM seems confident now, but I still think he wants to go to MSU. We want to take 5 D linemen this class. Really like Kareem, but we have basically his more athletic twin in Cassius Peat in last year's clas already and obviously we like Robertson and King more. Still, Kareem would give us an insane DL class.

The last 3 D line classes are nuts. McDowell, Smith, Evans, Sweat, Beedle, Williams, Hunt, Peat, Alexander, King, Robertson?, Jones?, Panasiuk? 8 four stars and a 5 star plus a few freak athlete 3 stars.

And people are talking abou us having potentially the best D line class in the nation. No, will be second best at most, Ohio State's D Line class is going to be ridiculous.

 

[MSUMatt28]

To hit on a few of the points on this thread:

OSU was way better last year than in 2013, and as was pointed out, the difference was in the defense. The team the year before that gave 41 points to UM for crying out loud.

There was nothing lucky about the MSU hoops Final Four run this year. They simply gelled as a team, as we know Izzo teams do more often than not, at the right time. Won 8 out of 9, all against NCAA tournament teams before running into Duke with the only loss being to Wisconsin in OT in a game that they led by 11 more than halfway through the second half. Did not benefit from a bunch of higher seeds losing in their bracket (other than perhaps Villanova who was an overrated #1 anyway). They weren't one of the 4 best teams in the country and I didn't even remotely predict it, but it wasn't luck.

Football recruiting and our ceiling: Certainly you can achieve a top 5 finish without top 5 recruiting classes as Dantonio has shown. And he's proven to be about the top developer of talent around. But getting the players is what allows you to do it year after year and gives you more margin for error. To reload rather than rebuild. We were 13-1 in 2014. We were also 7-6 the year before that. I agree that UM and OSU won't make it easier in coming years so it's important to have success in recruiting, which it looks like we are now doing.

 

[Spartanmack]

To hit on a few of the points on this thread:

OSU was way better last year than in 2013, and as was pointed out, the difference was in the defense. The team the year before that gave 41 points to UM for crying out loud.

There was nothing lucky about the MSU hoops Final Four run this year. They simply gelled as a team, as we know Izzo teams do more often than not, at the right time. Won 8 out of 9, all against NCAA tournament teams before running into Duke with the only loss being to Wisconsin in OT in a game that they led by 11 more than halfway through the second half. Did not benefit from a bunch of higher seeds losing in their bracket (other than perhaps Villanova who was an overrated #1 anyway). They weren't one of the 4 best teams in the country and I didn't even remotely predict it, but it wasn't luck.

Football recruiting and our ceiling: Certainly you can achieve a top 5 finish without top 5 recruiting classes as Dantonio has shown. And he's proven to be about the top developer of talent around. But getting the players is what allows you to do it year after year and gives you more margin for error. To reload rather than rebuild. We were 13-1 in 2014. We were also 7-6 the year before that. I agree that UM and OSU won't make it easier in coming years so it's important to have success in recruiting, which it looks like we are now doing.

You're spot on re: recruiting - in order for us to consistently compete w/ elite teams, we have to close the talent gap otherwise we can expect to go .300 against teams like OSU (as long as they're landing top 5 classes) and can't trip up against 2nd tier or worse teams.

As for the NCAA tournament, I stand by those comments. Take a look at the box score from the UVA game (we played AWFUL but thankfully UVA was worse) and tell me if you think they could have beat dook playing like that. There's no chance. And it's not such a big stretch to say that they easily could have run into dook in the second round as the seeds very easily could have been flipped - UVA won the ACC regular season, had a better conf and overall record and had fewer and higher quality losses than dook, who not only didn't win either the ACC regular season (obviously) or the ACC tournament - and they didn't go any further in that tournament than UVA. The late season loss to Louisville and dook beating them and wisco were probably the difference.

 

[Sbee]

You're spot on re: recruiting - in order for us to consistently compete w/ elite teams, we have to close the talent gap otherwise we can expect to go .300 against teams like OSU (as long as they're landing top 5 classes) and can't trip up against 2nd tier or worse teams.

As for the NCAA tournament, I stand by those comments. Take a look at the box score from the UVA game (we played AWFUL but thankfully UVA was worse) and tell me if you think they could have beat dook playing like that. There's no chance. And it's not such a big stretch to say that they easily could have run into dook in the second round as the seeds very easily could have been flipped - UVA won the ACC regular season, had a better conf and overall record and had fewer and higher quality losses than dook, who not only didn't win either the ACC regular season (obviously) or the ACC tournament - and they didn't go any further in that tournament than UVA. The late season loss to Louisville and dook beating them and wisco were probably the difference.

First, we played tremendous defense against UVA. If we played like that against anyone we'd have a chance to win. Just because the box score doest have gaudy offensive numbers doesn't mean they didn't play well. Also, if the Duke game was called the way Virginia was we'd have a much better chance of winning.

As for our run, you can basically call anyone's tourney run a fluke if they didn't lose to duke early if you apply that logic. We were under seeded as a 7 and had to play a 30-3 team early on and won.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Duke just has our # as does UNC. We get one of their best games of the year over and over. Everyone was scared to play Kentucky but I would have much rather played Kentucky than Duke and I said that before the game started.

 

[Sbee]

Duke just has our # as does UNC. We get one of their best games of the year over and over. Everyone was scared to play Kentucky but I would have much rather played Kentucky than Duke and I said that before the game started.

yes and no, Duke has our number simply because they're good, it's not a big outlier that Duke dominates some good teams.

 

[MSUMatt28]

Virginia's defense can make other teams look bad. Their offense can also make themselves look bad. That game was a typical Virginia game. MSU played better and deserved to win. MSU was not a top 4 team, but the way they were playing at the end of the season an argument could be made that they were a top 10-15 team.

I had felt early in the season after they went to Madison and beat Wisconsin by 10 that Duke might be as good as Kentucky. Then they had a couple of losses during ACC play that made you scratch your head. But they were that team again in the NCAAs.

 

[Sbee]

Virginia's defense can make other teams look bad. Their offense can also make themselves look bad. That game was a typical Virginia game. MSU played better and deserved to win. MSU was not a top 4 team, but the way they were playing at the end of the season an argument could be made that they were a top 10-15 team.

I had felt early in the season after they went to Madison and beat Wisconsin by 10 that Duke might be as good as Kentucky. Then they had a couple of losses during ACC play that made you scratch your head. But they were that team again in the NCAAs.

When the game is called in their favor Duke is really hard to beat.