PFF Review Week 2

[tonyballs]

If you must put it on one player the only one you can put it on is Stafford in my opinion.

Would we of won if we changed one WR?
Would we of won if we had a different RT?
Would we of won if we had McCoy at RB?
Would we of won with Richard Sherman?

My opinion if you only chose one of those, no they wouldn't of made a difference.

Would we of won with Peyton Manning?
I believe we would of, QB can make that much of a difference in my opinion. That is the one position you could change out and make the biggest difference.

And there it is. A media type answer. "Blame it on the QB". Even when we can't catch the football, fumble the ball, miss FGS and drop TDS. It's the QBS fault lol. Fucking mind-boggling. He had a part in the loss no doubt, but "if" you're going to put it on one guy for that game, I'd say it's impossible to blame one guy. Too many hands were in this one for the loss.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I know you won't agree with this, balls..but making the bread he's making he better do much better. He's only partial to blame for the loss, we agree there..but he's being paid way too much for what he does. And with NFL having a cap, even an increasing one..he better become Peyton Jr.

 

[LKP]

I know you won't agree with this, balls..but making the bread he's making he better do much better. He's only partial to blame for the loss, we agree there..but he's being paid way too much for what he does. And with NFL having a cap, even an increasing one..he better become Peyton Jr.

His new contract was relatively cheaper compared to most deals. Overall he is way more good than bad. And that's what we paid for. There is no such thing as perfect in everyone game for any QB.

 

[dubbsco]

The Lions paid for and drafted the #1 overall QB in the 2009 draft. They have received a QB who's been up and down, and hasn't shown the ability to lead this team to anything beyond a playoff appearance. If you are happy with what he's given you, fine. But I damn sure expect more from a #1 overall player.

And the excuse train has already left the station and is rolling for this season. I don't know how much more the fans need to cover up for him before they realize maybe he's not the guy to take this team far.

 

[LKP]

I only say the truth. Clearly his weapons didn't show up properly in this one. He's had no run game support. Drops showed up again. The defense gave up 15 points on two long drives in the second half. Fumbles are not on him. Missed fgs are not on him. It's a calamtiy of errors that mostly aren't on him Week 2. I'll allow one pick in 48 throws.

And when the weapons do show up, he looks great. Calvin and Tate big gains, no lost possessions on fumbles. The defense holds the other team to 14 points. Stafford received the proper support Week 1 and he looked like a number 1 pick.

 

[dubbsco]

He also got the benefit of playing one of the worst teams in the NFL.

 

[brewer229]

And there it is. A media type answer. "Blame it on the QB". Even when we can't catch the football, fumble the ball, miss FGS and drop TDS. It's the QBS fault lol. Fucking mind-boggling. He had a part in the loss no doubt, but "if" you're going to put it on one guy for that game, I'd say it's impossible to blame one guy. Too many hands were in this one for the loss.

Wow. And there is is. A hot head response. Did you completely miss my post, 2 before that, where I said many prople were to blame? and I directly said we didn't lose because of one player.

I was saying how stupid it was to blame one person, the post you replied too was simply a "if you have to Blane one player". Which obviously I don't agree with, but so many people like to try an do.

 

[brewer229]

I only say the truth. Clearly his weapons didn't show up properly in this one. He's had no run game support. Drops showed up again. The defense gave up 15 points on two long drives in the second half. Fumbles are not on him. Missed fgs are not on him. It's a calamtiy of errors that mostly aren't on him Week 2. I'll allow one pick in 48 throws.

And when the weapons do show up, he looks great. Calvin and Tate big gains, no lost possessions on fumbles. The defense holds the other team to 14 points. Stafford received the proper support Week 1 and he looked like a number 1 pick.

That is the issue the guy needs a ridiculous amount of weapons to be successful.

So you allow one pick in so many throws, but don't allow a fumble in so many touches? Or don't allow a drop in so many throws? We can excuse Stafford mistakes, but no one elses?

Outside of the one that Calvin dropped, what great throws did Stafford make in the game? #1 picks are suppose to raise the game of others, not need others to make their game respectable.

I'm ok with Stafford being average to slightly above average. I think we can win with that QB play, but I'm not going to pretend he is elite when he isn't.

 

[dubbsco]

Brewer, I agree 100 percent with your 3rd line. He made a LOT of bad throws in the second half. There were at least 3 throws that went in-between two guys. Others were short, a couple over heads. He did not have a good half, period.

I disagree with your last line. I'm not okay with that. He was drafted #1 overall to be a franchise mover. He hasn't done that.

 

[brewer229]

Stafford plays football like I play golf.

Occasionally I hit a shot that looks so pretty, perfect ball flight, goes precisely where it should, it's just perfect. But then, two holes later I'll hit one so off target you think it's the first time I ever swung a club.

I'll occasionally shoot in the 30s, one in awhile ill throw a high 40 out there, but typically I'll be low 40s. So I'm average to slightly above for my league.

So at timed I'll look like one of the top 3 golfers in the league, but come the end of the year I'll be right around the middle maybe slightly better

 

[LKP]

That is the issue the guy needs a ridiculous amount of weapons to be successful.

So you allow one pick in so many throws, but don't allow a fumble in so many touches? Or don't allow a drop in so many throws? We can excuse Stafford mistakes, but no one elses?

Outside of the one that Calvin dropped, what great throws did Stafford make in the game? #1 picks are suppose to raise the game of others, not need others to make their game respectable.

I'm ok with Stafford being average to slightly above average. I think we can win with that QB play, but I'm not going to pretend he is elite when he isn't.

Nobody else had 40 chances. Bell had 10 carries and fumbled once. Twice so far this year for him. That is unacceptable. 1 pick in 2 games with a ton of throws is fine. Good read, just underthrown and a little lucky Panthers had a trailer from the other side of the field.

Stafford made a ton of good throws on his 27 completions spreading it around. Several to Tate and Ross and Fauria's big gainer. And even some incompletes were good throws (drops).

Stafford is good. The good becomes great when he has weapons. The good can look average without weapon support.

10 incompletes were his fault. 11 weren't. 10 in 48 is fine.

 

[brewer229]

Nobody else had 40 chances. Bell had 10 carries and fumbled once. Twice so far this year for him. That is unacceptable. 1 pick in 2 games with a ton of throws is fine. Good read, just underthrown and a little lucky Panthers had a trailer from the other side of the field.

Stafford made a ton of good throws on his 27 completions spreading it around. Several to Tate and Ross and Fauria's big gainer. And even some incompletes were good throws (drops).

Stafford is good. The good becomes great when he has weapons. The good can look average without weapon support.

10 incompletes were his fault. 11 weren't. 10 in 48 is fine.

But look at the skill positions at a whole, they have 50ish touches a game, one fumble between them is the same thing.

If Bells doesn't fumble the next 30 touches, does that retroactively excuse his week 2 fumble?

You said essentially the same thing I did.

Stafford is good, think I ranked him around 13th.
He needs elite talent to put up great stats.
Last year he didn't have loads of talen and ended up ranked in the 20s, below average.

He isn't a difference maker, his success is based on talent around him. That's what good does.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The LKP of old or same ole same ole, more excuses. So really he was 38-48, the true completion %. What is it..you got stock in Stafford or something?

 

[LKP]

The LKP of old or same ole same ole, more excuses. So really he was 38-48, the true completion %. What is it..you got stock in Stafford or something?

He was 27/48 (that doesn't change no matter whose fault) but only 10 his fault. Just keep it in the back of your mind to properly assess Stafford. For the Lions as a whole it's bad though a good defense.

 

[LKP]

But look at the skill positions at a whole, they have 50ish touches a game, one fumble between them is the same thing.

If Bells doesn't fumble the next 30 touches, does that retroactively excuse his week 2 fumble?

You said essentially the same thing I did.

Stafford is good, think I ranked him around 13th.
He needs elite talent to put up great stats.
Last year he didn't have loads of talen and ended up ranked in the 20s, below average.

He isn't a difference maker, his success is based on talent around him. That's what good does.

Talking individual. For Bell it's bad in only 25 carries. For the Lions as a whole 2 fumbles a game is still bad too. It should be 1 or .5 half a game. We have 4 on the ground, 2 lost. They need to fix that.

If Bell doesn't fumble for awhile it does. Picks are easier to make then fumbles. 4 fumbles a year by a player is considered bad.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He was 27/48 (that doesn't change no matter whose fault) but only 10 his fault. Just keep it in the back of your mind to properly assess Stafford. For the Lions as a whole it's bad though a good defense.

So there were 11 drops..is that what you're saying? You're such a goof.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Talking individual. For Bell it's bad in only 25 carries. For the Lions as a whole 2 fumbles a game is still bad too. It should be 1 or .5 half a game. We have 4 on the ground, 2 lost. They need to fix that.

If Bell doesn't fumble for awhile it does. Picks are easier to make then fumbles. 4 fumbles a year by a player is considered bad.

You know why we fumble and drop passes..because WE STINK!!

 

[LKP]

So there were 11 drops..is that what you're saying? You're such a goof.

Did I say that. No

There were 6 drops, a couple throw aways, a hit as thrown, a couple tips. Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[grandy]

the lkp of old or same ole same ole, more excuses. So really he was 38-48, the true completion %. What is it..you got stock in stafford or something?

solkp

 

[LKP]

You know why we fumble and drop passes..because WE STINK!!

The talent is there. The concentration can come. We'll see if it continues. 7 more games of it then yes it's a problem. One game only you can't conclude we stink.