please watch - stafford

[zyxt9]

[QUOTEs=Mitchrapp;615608]With the players we have, what will Harbaugh do? Still no run game..[/QUOTE]

What would any coach do?

You argue that any QB would be better than Stafford, but then argue that Caldwell is doing better with this team than Harbaugh would? Not sure I am understanding your point. You don't like the idea of Harbaugh, fine...just tell us who you like. I don't think you are advocating Caldwell stays, but who do you want. If you say someone like Payton, he needs his QB to be a stud, which means getting a new QB who is better statistically than Stafford, which I am pointing out as historically very difficult to get. Not impossible, just not as easy as his putting in any old bloke who plays QB. If that was the case, then just keep Danny O in there the rest of the year.

If you want a QB who can manage a game and win while not being a stud QB, then a coach like Harbaugh is a great option. He builds from the trenches out with a focus on running the ball and playing tough D. There isn't the talent currently on the team to do that, but there also isn't the talent currently to win using any type of scheme. Whatever coach comes in, it will likely be a complete makeover, as I don't see any coach coming in and winning with the current roster. It will be yet another rebuild. I'm good with that, but I get the impression some are thinking that replacing the coach and QB will result in the next year's team will be a playoff contender. It isn't impossible, just historically unlikely.

 

[zyxt9]

Don't get hung up on that all-time stats leader. He is that because the team has absolutely let him throw a TON as the starter. His attempts are through the stratosphere. Look at the important stats: TD/INT, QBR. He's not very good.

He also is the leader in Wins. Historically, the next QB does not surpass that record. It will likely be a few QBs rotating through before we get the guy who is actually better. I'm ok with that, I'm just making sure everyone is aware of the probabilities with it.

 

[LGRW_9]

We have to face the fact that this team is the Chicago Cubs of the NFL.

But it gives me some hope that the Cubs have a chance this year, a mere 107 years after their last title. Applying that math, all we need to do is wait until .......2064!

Oh FUCK!

 

[zyxt9]

Stafford isn't the guy who bring a championship. Maybe the next guy will, but historical probability is against it. Still, dumping Stafford now means potentially having a chance, albeit small. He is not going to do it, so get someone else...just be prepared it will likely require more than one QB coming through before they can consider being a real contender.

 

[dubbsco]

And that speaks to this pathetic organization. Not drafting a QB while Stafford has been around is going to cost them another 2,3 years of development. Lions can't draft anyways, what harm is there in the 2nd, 3rd round taking a QB and having him learn the game and grow?

 

[zyxt9]

I honestly think Mayhew drafting entire classes of guys no longer on the team 5 years later is playing a major factor in the current winless season. Stafford deserves blame, sure...but losing that many times in the draft is unacceptable.

Detroit needs guys who are going to be here long term in every draft. Way too much talent potential has been lost, which is why the TEAM is so terrible right now. Staff sucking only amplifies that talent depreciation.

 

[LKP]

It isn't missing on a draft class. Suh and Fairley were big contributors but money made them walk. They tried to re-sign and got a good replacement (better than any FA or rookie available). Unfortunately that replacement keeps getting hurt.

It's good players regressing (Stafford, Reiff,Slay/Quin/Mathis slightly). They played much better last year. Don't know what happened.
It's injuries to some freakin studs (Levy, Warford, Ngata)
It's players not recovering from injuries as expected (Tulloch, Bell, Waddle)

He whiffed on Van Noy/Swanson (so far) and nickel backs and didn't address right tackle after an injury. The Swanson whiff, Warford injury and right tackle ignored/Waddle non-recovery has caused major problem in protection and run game. Plus Laken isn't ready as a rookie. But the Lions proved they could win without that last year (sans Warford injury). But the Lions of last year didn't have their stud DT And stud LB and stud RG get hurt, didn't face Adrian Peterson and didn't start on the road to kill their confidence.

The regression is the most concerning though.

But anything that could go wrong injury wise did. New and recovery.

 

[dubbsco]

So having an entire draft class vanish isn't a big issue for you?

 

[LKP]

So having an entire draft class vanish isn't a big issue for you?

He filled nicely in free agency and trades. Those free agents weren't the problem.

It was ignoring RT and Swanson and Warford injury and the regression of good players. Plus other injuries.

 

[dubbsco]

You don't build a successful franchise through free agency and trades. NFL teams are built in the draft. That's why teams like Green Bay and New England continue to excel, and the Lions flounder.

 

[LKP]

Patriots had free agents. Revis was a huge reason they won it. Blount too.

Lions went 11-5 with a bunch of free agents

Then some draft picks regressed, some got hurt and some didn't recover from injury.

 

[tomdalton22]

There is a long list of reasons the Lions are in the position they are in right now. It starts with bad drafting...the biggest blunder being drafting Ebron. Thinking a 31 year old 3-4 NT coming off of a PED suspension could fill the hole left by Suh (maybe the PEDs were keeping him healthy). Thinking a 31 year old LB would be up to speed coming off of ACL surgery. Thinking an average at best RB would be any good coming off of achilles surgery. Thinking Matt Stafford would change into a good QB. Thinking that year 2 players would become good. Thinking the coaching staff knows what the fuck they are doing.

Bottom line...same old Lions!

 

[Mitchrapp]

You guys are missing my points. I am NOT saying they should not replace him; however, some seem to think whomever his replacement is will automatically be a better QB. Historically speaking, throughout the NFL, when a team replaces their all-time stats leader, the guy replacing him does worse. Despite that, the Lions need to replace Stafford, I just don't hold out much hope that the next QB will actually be better than Stafford due to the historic difficulty combined with the fact it is the Lions.

Now the only real stat that matters is wins. It is possible that his replacement could be worse, but the team manages to win. I'm good with that, but again, it is the Lions so I'm not confident the next QB will actually win more either.

But he'd be cheaper thus getting more talent (filling the holes). Bonus: He could be better.

 

[Mitchrapp]

There is a long list of reasons the Lions are in the position they are in right now. It starts with bad drafting...the biggest blunder being drafting Ebron. Thinking a 31 year old 3-4 NT coming off of a PED suspension could fill the hole left by Suh (maybe the PEDs were keeping him healthy). Thinking a 31 year old LB would be up to speed coming off of ACL surgery. Thinking an average at best RB would be any good coming off of achilles surgery. Thinking Matt Stafford would change into a good QB. Thinking that year 2 players would become good. Thinking the coaching staff knows what the fuck they are doing.

Bottom line...same old Lions!

 

[LKP]

There is a long list of reasons the Lions are in the position they are in right now. It starts with bad drafting...the biggest blunder being drafting Ebron. Thinking a 31 year old 3-4 NT coming off of a PED suspension could fill the hole left by Suh (maybe the PEDs were keeping him healthy). Thinking a 31 year old LB would be up to speed coming off of ACL surgery. Thinking an average at best RB would be any good coming off of achilles surgery. Thinking Matt Stafford would change into a good QB. Thinking that year 2 players would become good. Thinking the coaching staff knows what the fuck they are doing.

Bottom line...same old Lions!

If we had Warford and Levy healthy the Tulloch and Waddle/Swanson problems might not be as bad.

It's terrible luck Ngata is getting hurt. It's not the PEDs (adderall). If anyone deserves injury it's dirty Suh.

 

[tomdalton22]

If we had Warford and Levy healthy the Tulloch and Waddle/Swanson problems might not be as bad.

It's terrible luck Ngata is getting hurt. It's not the PEDs (adderall).

that is one thing you don't seem to understand. It's not terrible luck when a player gets hurt...players get hurt every game! Teams lose players for the season every week!

 

[dubbsco]

Again, trades and free agency are 5 and 6 on the list in order to build a franchise. Drafting is 1, 2, 3, 4.

You can fill out the lineup with some nice additions here and there. Top to bottom, foundation, it's the draft, period.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I remember some posted recently that of our last so many drafts how many were still on the team, and it was pathetic. We can't draft, unless it's a no-brainer top 10. 2nd round, 3rd round, 4th round, 5th round, 6th round, 7th round - all suck.

 

[tomdalton22]

I remember some posted recently that of our last so many drafts how many were still on the team, and it was pathetic. We can't draft, unless it's a no-brainer top 9. 2nd round, 3rd round, 4th round, 5th round, 6th round, 7th round - all suck.

fify

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah I did lol. Let me look it up again.

2008- 3rd round pick- Fluellen (even though this really doesn't count, he's been a vagabond)
2009- 1st round picks- Stafford, Pettigrew. 3rd round pick- Levy
2010- No one left
2011- No one left
2012- 1st round pick- Reiff. 5th round pick- Whitehead