Sanchez Since Aug 22 (Last 8 Starts)

[grandy]

3-3 (Detroit averaged 2.5 runs per game)
54.1 IP
2.16 ERA
0.98 WHIP
7.32 K/9
1.16 BB/9


The competition hasn't exactly been great, but he's certainly improved from his first 4 starts after the trade.

 

[gotime909]

He's been pretty solid since his first couple starts.

 

[manchild98]

Maybe it's not such a "terrible trade" after all. Looks like he's definitely going to be the 4th playoff pitcher...3rd if Max can't go.

 

[spockmaster]

as much as a boost as he's been the last several weeks, I maintain what I said when the trade happened: its only a win for us if we win the WS. im all but certain we wont resign him, so if we dont win the WS we'll have traded 2 of our top 3 prospects for a year and a half of a middling 2nd baseman and a decent rental pitcher with nothing to show for it but a playoff appearance. that coupled with the fact that if we hadn't gotten desperate we could have gotten a ton more value for turner and brantly means that the trade would be a loss.

 

[hungry]

His only good outings have been against teams that are under .500. Any team with a pulse has run him early.

 

[Mitchrapp]

His only good outings have been against teams that are under .500. Any team with a pulse has run him early.

So what. Its hard enough getting quality starts, and we play the ALC a lot and any win is a good win.

 

[hungry]

So what. Its hard enough getting quality starts, and we play the ALC a lot and any win is a good win.

Well, it certainly doesn't bode well if the Tigers have to use him for the playoffs. There aren't any sub .500 teams that make the playoffs.

Do we really want a pitcher that gets blasted by any team with a pulse? Obviously, good teams are good for a reason, but come on.

 

[nydo77]

Well, it certainly doesn't bode well if the Tigers have to use him for the playoffs. There aren't any sub .500 teams that make the playoffs.

Do we really want a pitcher that gets blasted by any team with a pulse? Obviously, good teams are good for a reason, but come on.

Looking at his game log, the Yankees hit him hard 10 starts ago, when he was still brand new to the AL, he lost a game to the Angels by the score of 3-2, and he pitched pretty well against Oakland until the last two batters, while the defense imploded behind him. Every other start was against a sub .500 team. I wouldn't call that getting blasted by any good team; the sample size is too small, and the three starts mentioned don't add up to getting blasted either.

 

[Rebbiv]

Sanchez has started 12 games for DET. Only 3 have come against teams .500 or better.

Aug 8 vs NYY 3.0 IP 7 ER (1 run scored after leaving game)

Sep 9 at LAA 7.0 IP 3 ER

Sep 20 vs OAK 5.6 IP 5 ER (2 runs scored after leaving game)

15.6 IP 15 ER

Not real good, however, DET had only scored 5 runs in Sanchez' 15.3 IP. That is only 2.94 Run Support per game from the offense.

8 out of his 12 starts (66.7%) have been quality, which is really good. However, 8 out of his 12 starts the offense did not score more than 3 runs.


So, the knock is that he cannot pitch well against .500 teams based on 3 starts. He doesn't choose who he pitches against. He doesn't control his run support. He does not control what reliever follows him in a game.


Since All Star Break (against .500 or better teams)

Fister 14 GS 12 QS 8-3 2.51 ERA 0.99 WHIP (3-2 41.0 IP 21 ER 4.61 ERA 1.20 WHIP)

Scherzer 14 GS 9 QS 8-2 2.81 ERA 1.15 WHIP (5-0 49.0 IP 12 ER 2.20 ERA 1.06 WHIP)

Verlander 15 GS 11 QS 8-3 2.73 ERA 1.19 WHIP (5-1 58.0 IP 13 ER 2.02 ERA 1.09 WHIP)

Sanchez 12 GS 8 QS 4-6 3.74 ERA 1.29 WHIP (0-3 15.6 IP 15 ER 8.62 ERA 1.53 WHIP)

Porcello 13 GS 4 QS 3-7 4.94 ERA 1.49 WHIP (2-4 43.6 IP 21 ER 4.33 ERA 1.26 WHIP)

 

[deathroh]

So what. Its hard enough getting quality starts, and we play the ALC a lot and any win is a good win.

Ha, when I pointed out his weak competition in the other thread and said some people would argue that they do play poor teams quite a bit, I just barely stopped short of saying "Mitch" in place of "some people". I was also going to say "some idiots".

 

[Mitchrapp]

As the post above mentions, its only been 3 starts against better competition. 3, one was bad, one was good and the other was meh.

So a bad and a meh and suddenly he sucks? Talk about jumping the gun. 3 starts, ooh..

 

[deathroh]

As the post above mentions, its only been 3 starts against better competition. 3, one was bad, one was good and the other was meh.

So a bad and a meh and suddenly he sucks? Talk about jumping the gun. 3 starts, ooh..

Check his career numbers. After the trade I reviewed his game log for the past couple years against AL teams and it was ugly.

Regardless, I'm not saying he sucks because of this, just that his recent success could very well be a mirage that will be exposed in the playoffs.

 

[coulomb]

I think he has played well enough to get a decent contract, somewhere else.

No way the tigers are going to give him a contract he wants/deserves when they are just looking to pay 4/5th starter money.

He looks like one of the more successful rent-a-players.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think he has played well enough to get a decent contract, somewhere else.

No way the tigers are going to give him a contract he wants/deserves when they are just looking to pay 4/5th starter money.

He looks like one of the more successful rent-a-players.

That's the problem. When you look for a 4 or 5 you get Porcello. Might as well just keep him then. I know the Tigers have a high payroll and I get weary of NL starters in the AL but he's been fine. Probably too expensive though.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Check his career numbers. After the trade I reviewed his game log for the past couple years against AL teams and it was ugly.

Regardless, I'm not saying he sucks because of this, just that his recent success could very well be a mirage that will be exposed in the playoffs.

Then bring up his career numbers. Don't argue on 1 bad game and 1 meh game against .500 plus teams. And if he can pitch well against LAA, why not against the O's or the Rangers?

 

[hungry]

As the post above mentions, its only been 3 starts against better competition. 3, one was bad, one was good and the other was meh.

So a bad and a meh and suddenly he sucks? Talk about jumping the gun. 3 starts, ooh..

Well, he only went 5 2/3rds against Oakland. Yeah, he didn't get much run support, but why was he out so fast? It was because he was pitching poorly there at the end. He started off strong and then gassed out.

Its not just the 3 starts, its also the other starts. He does well against weak teams. You can point to one game where he did decent against a good team and Detroit still lost (Angels,) although my memory has him doing worse that game for some reason. I wonder if he got out of a lot of jams. Yes, small sample size, but guess what's coming in the playoffs?

 

[hungry]

Check his career numbers. After the trade I reviewed his game log for the past couple years against AL teams and it was ugly.

Regardless, I'm not saying he sucks because of this, just that his recent success could very well be a mirage that will be exposed in the playoffs.

Yep, I'm not saying he sucks, just that he isn't as good as his numbers might show.

 

[biggunsbob]

Good enough for a 4 or 5... Pay him and bring him back..

 

[Thumb]

That's the problem. When you look for a 4 or 5 you get Porcello. Might as well just keep him then. I know the Tigers have a high payroll and I get weary of NL starters in the AL but he's been fine. Probably too expensive though.

He hasn't been fine.

He's has a couple nice games, and he's has some real stinkers. His biggest problem is he does not eat innings. That CG of his was the first time he went over 7 innings in the whole fucking season.

He's what we have and I hope he does well in the playoffs, but he's very mediocre at best.

 

[spockmaster]

he's been better than ricky and smyly, but at what cost?