Slay, Ansah, Levy negotiations open...Reiff on the fence

[LKP]

It's 8 million to pick up his option. Just sign him to a long term deal for a lower cap number.

Fairley they wanted to motivate and they realized they can live without him.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's 8 million to pick up his option. Just sign him to a long term deal for a lower cap number.

Fairley they wanted to motivate and they realized they can live without him.

They downgraded at both DT positions. They downgraded at back up DT position. Theres no way to argue against it. That said...the rest of the team needs to be good enough to overcome those losses. Ansah needs to be better. Levy cant regress now that he wont be clean all game. Secondary might be asked to cover longer. Whos going to get to the qb? King of hurries Ansah is the only threat in our front 7 to get to the qb. Defenses like that are usually pretty easy to plan for.

 

[LKP]

They downgraded at both DT positions. They downgraded at back up DT position. Theres no way to argue against it. That said...the rest of the team needs to be good enough to overcome those losses. Ansah needs to be better. Levy cant regress now that he wont be clean all game. Secondary might be asked to cover longer. Whos going to get to the qb? King of hurries Ansah is the only threat in our front 7 to get to the qb. Defenses like that are usually pretty easy to plan for.

Ngata is very good and will take the doubles. Walker has potential. We still have a draft. And our back 7 and DC is very good. This is a slam dunk top 5 defense AGAIN. I said it last year, was correct and will be correct this year.

Ansah was a beast, Jones solid, talented backup DEs, Levy beast, Tulloch, good, Whitehead solid, Van Noy potential, Slay very good, Mathis good, Quin beast and Dig solid. It's a top 5 defense. They'll add DT, CB depth.

 

[kdp1980]

I'd be irate if they let Slay walk. If he's going to become a star, it should be here. Absolutely insane to not lock him up with a long term deal

 

[brewer229]

Ngata is very good and will take the doubles. Walker has potential. We still have a draft. And our back 7 and DC is very good. This is a slam dunk top 5 defense AGAIN. I said it last year, was correct and will be correct this year.

Ansah was a beast, Jones solid, talented backup DEs, Levy beast, Tulloch, good, Whitehead solid, Van Noy potential, Slay very good, Mathis good, Quin beast and Dig solid. It's a top 5 defense. They'll add DT, CB depth.

Ngata is good at stopping the run and being fat. Both are valuable in the NFL DT position. However he isn't near the force against the passing game the Suh was/is. I mean suh has 10 more sacks than Ngata in their career. One is in the middle of his prime, one has exited it.

Walker..potential...sweet.

DT is worse in 2015 than 2014.

Is that an actual top 5 in 2015 or a "True" top 5?

 

[LKP]

Ngata is good at stopping the run and being fat. Both are valuable in the NFL DT position. However he isn't near the force against the passing game the Suh was/is. I mean suh has 10 more sacks than Ngata in their career. One is in the middle of his prime, one has exited it.

Walker..potential...sweet.

DT is worse in 2015 than 2014.

Is that an actual top 5 in 2015 or a "True" top 5?

Ngata can rush the passer well too. He'll get doubled and he's better at Suh in stopping the run. We have a very good back 7 and good DEs. Walker can do more than Fairley. Especially due to availability and effort.

It's a true top 5, actual top 5 and slam dunk top 5 defense this year. Detroit did not get worse on defense. Detroit still has a very good defense.

 

[dubbsco]

When you lose one of the best defensive players in the game, your defense got worse. Give it up.

 

[LKP]

When you lose one of the best defensive players in the game, your defense got worse. Give it up.

It's still a great defense. This defense is loaded with talent. Ngata saved us. Our back 7 is great. Our LBs are good. Our DEs are good.

It's not worse, it's just different at DT.

 

[LKP]

The defensive turn around was Austin, our back 7 and DE play in 2014. That is the real reason. Plus finally our top 3 secondary players stayed healthy. Suh was good in 2011-2013 but the defense was not (other than first 10 games of 2011).

 

[tomdalton22]

The defensive turn around was Austin, our back 7 and DE play in 2014. That is the real reason. Plus finally our top 3 secondary players stayed healthy. Suh was good in 2011-2013 but the defense was not (other than first 10 games of 2011).

If the Lions would have lost key players in the secondary you would have said the reason for the good defense was because of the front 7.

Bottom line is the defense was good because of the front 4. They stopped the run which made passing downs longer and more difficult. The Lions lost the best player on the team and their 3 best DTs. If you think those losses are insignificant you are an idiot.

 

[LKP]

If the Lions would have lost key players in the secondary you would have said the reason for the good defense was because of the front 7.

Bottom line is the defense was good because of the front 4. They stopped the run which made passing downs longer and more difficult. The Lions lost the best player on the team and their 3 best DTs. If you think those losses are insignificant you are an idiot.

We gained Ngata (better run stuffer than Suh) and Walker (Fairley missed half the year) and get Tulloch back. Negated the losses. Plus year 2 in the system for everyone else. The Lions should be better on defense and have top 5 offensive talent. The Lions front 4 is still very very very very good.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Truly the lions only downgraded at suh. Fairley barely played and I believe it looks like he has registered more games than he actually has by playing limited roles in games while injured. Yes truly he is more talented than what we have now. But he didn't stay healthy enough to really matter anyways.

 

[brewer229]

Truly the lions only downgraded at suh. Fairley barely played and I believe it looks like he has registered more games than he actually has by playing limited roles in games while injured. Yes truly he is more talented than what we have now. But he didn't stay healthy enough to really matter anyways.

Downgrading your best piece of your defense and a top two defender in the league is a big hit.

Everyone on defense seemed to have their best year. Now yes this could be the new normal, but would anyone be overly shocked if this team feel back to the middle of the pack on defense?

While yes it is year two of the defense, there is also a full year of the defense on film for others to study. If we stay healthy can we be top 5 again...yea probably. Could we also be around #15...yea probably.

 

[LKP]

Downgrading your best piece of your defense and a top two defender in the league is a big hit.

Everyone on defense seemed to have their best year. Now yes this could be the new normal, but would anyone be overly shocked if this team feel back to the middle of the pack on defense?

While yes it is year two of the defense, there is also a full year of the defense on film for others to study. If we stay healthy can we be top 5 again...yea probably. Could we also be around #15...yea probably.

We didn't downgrade overall on defense. It's just different DTs. Ngata is a stud. This is a slam dunk top 5 defense barring major injuries.

 

[brewer229]

We didn't downgrade overall on defense. It's just different DTs. Ngata is a stud. This is a slam dunk top 5 defense barring major injuries.

I know I know..all the lions will progress, newcomers will have career years under Austin, Offense will take a huge leap in year two. Every other team in the league will see a decline. As long as we don't have a single injury on the team we will easily be top 5. However if any single starter misses more than 2 games, all bets are off and we can use it as an excuse.

We get it.

 

[LKP]

I know I know..all the lions will progress, newcomers will have career years under Austin, Offense will take a huge leap in year two. Every other team in the league will see a decline. As long as we don't have a single injury on the team we will easily be top 5. However if any single starter misses more than 2 games, all bets are off and we can use it as an excuse.

We get it.

It's obvious we have top 5 offensive and defensive talent. Great coaching. And I said major injuries.

 

[mhughes0021]

I know I know..all the lions will progress, newcomers will have career years under Austin, Offense will take a huge leap in year two. Every other team in the league will see a decline. As long as we don't have a single injury on the team we will easily be top 5. However if any single starter misses more than 2 games, all bets are off and we can use it as an excuse.

We get it.

Or wind, or snow or rain.

 

[dubbsco]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/04/14/detroit-lions-nfl-draft-needs/25759543/

Lions needs: everything. LOL

 

[LKP]

Lions have no needs.

OT,RB,DT,CB we are all set. Could we upgrade sure, but we can win a Super Bowl with Waddle/Lucas, Bell/Riddick,Ngata/Wallker/Reid and Slay/Mathis/Wilson/Seisay/Bentley/Lawson, you bet your ass we can.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So now Ngata is the same as Suh? I've heard it all now.. Is Ngata even top 10?