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[kdp80]

27th in pass D, not doing enough, or the hits and hurries aren't phasing the qbs at all. You're wrong LKP

 

[kdp80]

29th in team sacks

 

[mhughes0021]

29th in team sacks

15 teams sacks. mathis has 13.5.

BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa

 

[tonyballs]

i guess chicks dig the sacks eh

 

[tonyballs]

15 teams sacks. mathis has 13.5.

BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa

And we're 6-3 ....wheres the joke?

 

[grandy]

Levy has more picks than 4 teams.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And we're 6-3 ....wheres the joke?

Its not a joke. You're not the only one glad we're at 6-3. It would just help is all..

 

[Mitchrapp]

Levy has more picks than 4 teams.

He's been beasting this season..I thought he'd be his usual piece of shit. Glad I was wrong...

 

[LKP]

27th in yards. Not in 3rd down %, completion %, and turnovers. Look at the whole picture.


Plus that pesky little 6-3 when we are obviously getting more pressure than last year.


Levy can thank Suh for most of those picks. A Suh hurry (and one tip) got the job done for Levy. Chris Houston's pick was all Willie Young pressuring RG3.

 

[Mitchrapp]

27th in yards. Not in 3rd down %, completion %, and turnovers. Look at the whole picture.


Plus that pesky little 6-3 when we are obviously getting more pressure than last year.


Levy can thank Suh for most of those picks. A Suh hurry (and one tip) got the job done for Levy. Chris Houston's pick was all Willie Young pressuring RG3.

Its nice we hold our own on 3rd down but they're killing us on 1st and second.

 

[mhughes0021]

Its nice we hold our own on 3rd down but they're killing us on 1st and second.

Ya unfortunately its not 3rd down every play

 

[LKP]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownAttempts/position/defense

It's been 3rd down alot on Detroit. Holding their own on 1st and 2nd.

There have been some big plays but the pass rush is doing a good consistent job this year. You won't get there every single play. Impossible. The CBs need to do a better job when the pass rush doesn't get there.

PFF ranks the Lions pass rush 5th best in the league by the way.

 

[Mitchrapp]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownAttempts/position/defense

It's been 3rd down alot on Detroit. Holding their own on 1st and 2nd.

There have been some big plays but the pass rush is doing a good consistent job this year. You won't get there every single play. Impossible. The CBs need to do a better job when the pass rush doesn't get there.

PFF ranks the Lions pass rush 5th best in the league by the way.

I don't know. Good on 3rd down and holding their own on 1st and 2nd seems like they'd be better than 27th in yards given up.

 

[LKP]

I don't know. Good on 3rd down and holding their own on 1st and 2nd seems like they'd be better than 27th in yards given up.

It hasn't been consistently beaten on 1st and 2nd. But there have been some very big plays. Long plays, leads to yards given up. Doesn't mean you don't consistently gets stops though.

It's still a good situation not giving up many long drives. But it's not the optimum as there are still big plays. On the list, it would be the number 2 option of what you want. Number 1 is doing the same thing without the occasional big play.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It hasn't been consistently beaten on 1st and 2nd. But there have been some very big plays. Long plays, leads to yards given up. Doesn't mean you don't consistently gets stops though.

They count as much as anything else though. We almost lost to the Cowboys game because of it..lost to Cinci because of it, lost to GB because of it Or at least made the game out of reach..and fortunately Minnesota sucks..

They need to stop.

 

[LKP]

They count as much as anything else though. We almost lost to the Cowboys game because of it..lost to Cinci because of it, lost to GB because of it Or at least made the game out of reach..and fortunately Minnesota sucks..

They need to stop.

They count but given the amount of drives, Detroit's defense is actually doing well and really earned it despite big runs by Peterson, Forte (game 1), Morris and Benjamin 45 yarder. They seem to have shored up the run defense since then and the majority of the rest of those games, the defense was lights out to earn wins.

Big play passing allowed did cost us against Cincy/GB/Zona and almost against Dallas but the rest of the time they have avoided or allowed only one big play and overcome them. Plus Chicago and Browns have 214 yards of garbage time yards with 16 garbage points down big.

Teams aren't consistently moving the ball on us. The pass rush is doing a good job, can't get there everytime. When they don't hit home they can't get beat like AJ Green, Andre Ellington Bryant, Williams and Jamses Jones did to us. The rest of the Dallas game the defense was lights out, Green Bay bend but don't break (holding Rodgers to 22 is something) and Cincy they got it together after the first drive in the second half.

 

[LKP]

Holding Redskins to 13 after an early pick 6
Bears 40-16 lead in the 4th then a bunch of garbage time.
Second half at Cle
Bengals started at Lions 40 for second TD after the blocked FG and didn't go far for a big 3 on the shanked punt.

Cowboys started at Lions 4 for first TD. So easy 7 out of 30 points. The two big pass TDs allowed were bad but thankfully overcome by the Lions offense. Four turnovers really screwed the defense in this game but they overcame it.

Holding Bears to FG starting at own 9 last week. Quin did enough to jar the ball loose. Last year thats a TD allowed or only a FG on the Lions last TD drive (think Indy and GB losses in 2012, GB game even had a pick 6 and then Titus missing on 3rd down)

 

[grandy]

Just doing some of my own research...

In pure yardage totals the Lions are 27th in total passing yards and 27th in passing yards/game (more accurate until all bye weeks have been completed)

There are some small factors that, when combined, can add to the overall yardage total.

- Opponent average starting field position: FootballOutsiders keeps track of this (LOS/dr) http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats Lions are 15th with an average defensive starting position at 27.02 yards, obviously a longer field can potentially result in more yards

- Passing attempts: A high number of attempts will likely result in a high number of yardage. Taking into account the number of passing attempts, the Lions are 20th in the league at 7.4 yards per attempt. The Lions are 24th in the league in passing attempts against at 351...4 of the 7 teams that have more attempts against them have not had byes yet. According to TeamRankings, http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-passing-play-pct teams are passing against the Lions 64.32% of the time, highest in the league.

- Quality of QB: Facing better QBs can inflate the numbers and facing bad QBs can make them look better. For sake of simplicity and convenience I'll just go with QB rating. (Through 9 games)
1. Christian Ponder - 2013: 24th @ 77.6---Career: 77.2---That Game: 63.1
2. Carson Palmer - 2013: 27th @ 74.5----Career: 85.3-----That Game: 73.5
3. RG3 - 2013: 17th @ 83.8-----Career: 93.8----That Game: 74.2
4 and 9: Jay Cutler - 2013: 10th @ 88.4-----Career: 84.4----Those Games: (1) 65.6 (2) 69.8
5. Aaron Rodgers - 2013: 3rd @ 108.0----Career: 105.2-----That Game: 106.8
6. Brandon Weeden - 2013: 32nd @ 66.2----Career: 70.8----That Game: 76.9
7. Andy Dalton - 2013: 14th @ 86.7------Career: 84.7-----That Game: 135.9
8. Tony Romo - 2013: 6th @ 98.3-----Career: 95.9----That Game: 102.9

Ponder and Weeden are terrible
Palmer is on the downside of his career
RG3, Dalton, and an injured Cutler are decent to good
Romo and a healthy Cutler are top 10
Rodgers is elite

The numbers for 5 (Cutler x2) of these QBs were worse than their average this season
3 did slightly better
1 was amazingly better

- Turnovers, causing turnovers after a long drive can pretty much make all those yards irrelevant (along with other factors that prevent points, turnover on downs, missed FGs...I won't include punting)
Breaking down the Lions turnovers this season
1 Minnesota
Interception (1) - Minnesota 9 yard drive
Interception (2) - Minnesota 32 yard drive
Fumble (1) - Minnesota 16 yard drive
Interception (3) - Minnesota 32 yard drive

2 Arizona
Interception (4) - Arizona 34 yard drive

3 Washington
Interception (5) - Washington 61 yard drive
Fumble (2) - Washington 51 yard drive

4 Chicago
Interception (6) - Chicago 7 yard drive
Interception (7) - Chicago 0 yard drive
Interception (8) - Chicago 6 yard drive
Fumble (3) - Chicago -12 yard drive

5 Green Bay
None

6 Cleveland
Interception (9) - Cleveland 45 yard drive
Interception (10) - Cleveland 40 yard drive

7 Cincinnati
Missed FG - Cincinnati 51 yard drive

8 Dallas
None

9 Chicago
Downs - Chicago 50 yard drive
Interception (11) - Chicago 65 yard drive


10 of these drives went for 30+ yards and no points
7 went for 40+ yards and no points
5 went for 50+ yards and no points





Just some more information I wanted to throw out there. I'm not defending nor bashing the D-line or passing defense, just pointing out how passing yards can be skewed.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Impressive, Grandy.

 

[mhughes0021]

the fact a single indivual player has more sacks than our entire dline is sad.....hurries blah blah blah wins blah blah blah 3rd down blah blah blah.....its still a fact that when 1 player has more sacks than our entire dline its a bad thing lol.