Sources: NCAA investigating Michigan football for alleged rule violations related to

[Spartanmack]

Is it me or do they keep framing regular occurrences as "gotchas"? We KNOW he was on the actual staff in 2022, so yeah wouldn't you expect him to be on our sideline for games, sign stealing or not?

I guess at least going forward, we'll see how much it mattered. I mean, MSU knew and we beat them 49-0...

We'll see how Purdue, Penn St., Maryland, and OSU fare with the groundbreaking knowledge that Michigan discovered you can look at an opposing teams' signs and use them to gain an advantage in the game.

The CMU thing is also absurd. why the hell would he waste his time at that particular game? OSU was playing Indiana that week... two future opponents, and one that could actually beat us. How did they let him walk around for four quarters?

Don't coaching staffs or stadium security vet who's on the sideline? He supposedly had a pass. I don't expect them to know everyone there, and I'm sure Stalions would have a plausible excuse, but you'd think someone would ask "Hey who's that guy standing by himself who nobody knows wearing sunglasses at night on our sideline?"

Coaches bitching about this now, like "Whoa, who could have foreseen someone would do this?" remind me of idiot neighbors on Nextdoor.com who get angry when they leave their laptops, money (!), wallets, etc. in plain view in their unlocked cars in their driveway overnight and things get stolen. "ExPlaIn To ME HoW ThIs Is mY FaULt?!?"

This is a great excuse - ?it?s everyone else?s fault if we broke the rules because it was so obvious that they should have caught us?. Great job Lionel.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah, there's a lot of that going around. As in the ENTIRE culture. I mean, even MSU football has "issues."

There seems to be an awful lot of rationalizing these issues away here before much is even known about them. Whether or not some of these issues touch the upper levels of the program directly, it seems like there could be a lack of institutional control or concern for how things are getting done.

 

[byco42]

There seems to be an awful lot of rationalizing these issues away here before much is even known about them. Whether or not some of these issues touch the upper levels of the program directly, it seems like there could be a lack of institutional control or concern for how things are getting done.

There's also a lot of mud-slinging and finger-pointing as well.
Anonymous sources leak, media publishes, people respond. Repeat.

 

[Spartanmack]

There's also a lot of mud-slinging and finger-pointing as well.
Anonymous sources leak, media publishes, people respond. Repeat.

I don't see a lot of mud slinging here unless you think calling out the hypocrisy, rationalizing and hand waving is mud slinging.

 

[byco42]

I don't see a lot of mud slinging here unless you think calling out the hypocrisy, rationalizing and hand waving is mud slinging.

Talking about the wider social net, not this forum.

 

[byco42]

From Maurice Clarett's TwiX feed:

I have my personal opinions about Michigan and what?s going on. My opinions aren?t biased and I call things like they are. I got former teammates, good friends, homeboys and ppl I know that went to Michigan. This Harbaugh situation in my humble opinion has more to do with college athletics as a whole and not the silly things they?ve been investigated for. I?ve been in a NCAA investigation with a university and seen the lengths they will go to, to hide the main reason of the vindictive behavior. Harbaugh is the only person who spoke like this and this is against the core of what NCAA stands for. It?s major exploitation on lots of levels and you can?t have a premier coach on a premier football team championing this type of mission. It?s a kick in the nuts to the establishment. They?ve cycled these Michigan stories in your face to make you think that it was as important as the war between palenstine and isreal. This is about business my man. You can?t mess up the economic system. Those that do get dealt with. There?s tons of smart ppl sitting in boardrooms executing well thought out missions of how to keep what?s in place in place. It?s bigger than a rivalry. If you have a high school athlete that?s going into division 1 sports this perspective should be important to you. #GoBucks​

Clarett is referring to Harbaugh advocating players getting a slice of the TV money.

 

[Spartanmack]

Do they have Twitter in prison or has Clarett been released? I thought he was doing serious time for robbery and conspiracy to murder a witness in that trial - isn't he the guy that was arrested near the home of a witness for the prosecution with a loaded AK-47 and wearing body armor?

 

[Michchamp]

From Maurice Clarett's TwiX feed:

I have my personal opinions about Michigan and what?s going on. My opinions aren?t biased and I call things like they are. I got former teammates, good friends, homeboys and ppl I know that went to Michigan. This Harbaugh situation in my humble opinion has more to do with college athletics as a whole and not the silly things they?ve been investigated for. I?ve been in a NCAA investigation with a university and seen the lengths they will go to, to hide the main reason of the vindictive behavior. Harbaugh is the only person who spoke like this and this is against the core of what NCAA stands for. It?s major exploitation on lots of levels and you can?t have a premier coach on a premier football team championing this type of mission. It?s a kick in the nuts to the establishment. They?ve cycled these Michigan stories in your face to make you think that it was as important as the war between palenstine and isreal. This is about business my man. You can?t mess up the economic system. Those that do get dealt with. There?s tons of smart ppl sitting in boardrooms executing well thought out missions of how to keep what?s in place in place. It?s bigger than a rivalry. If you have a high school athlete that?s going into division 1 sports this perspective should be important to you. #GoBucks​

Clarett is referring to Harbaugh advocating players getting a slice of the TV money.

Goddamn!

See my post, Post #7 of this thread. Genius minds think alike... me and Mo C. Who woulda thought?

take that, Tom!

 

[byco42]

Do they have Twitter in prison or has Clarett been released? I thought he was doing serious time for robbery and conspiracy to murder a witness in that trial - isn't he the guy that was arrested near the home of a witness for the prosecution with a loaded AK-47 and wearing body armor?

Apparently Clarett was paroled in 2015. How does what you wrote in response change his opinion of this situation?

 

[gotime909]

Maurice Clarett has spoken, everyone pack your shit up and go home.

 

[Michchamp]

Maurice Clarett has spoken, everyone pack your shit up and go home.

more like: "Mo C (who actually played college football, got chewed up and spit out by it, and can speak from experience unlike anyone else here) made a comment that doesn't go along with our Michigan-hatefest. BOOO Maurice Clarett. BOOO!"

 

[Spartanmack]

Apparently Clarett was paroled in 2015. How does what you wrote in response change his opinion of this situation?

It doesn?t. I was just asking a question because I hadn?t heard that name since he was arrested for drunk driving wearing a Kevlar vest with a bunch of loaded guns in his car. But since you ask, if he was piling on the mud slinging how would that change the uofm fan base?s response to his tweet? My guess is they?d probably be calling his character into question to dismiss his opinion offhand.

 

[Spartanmack]

Goddamn!

See my post, Post #7 of this thread. Genius minds think alike... me and Mo C. Who woulda thought?

take that, Tom!

Probably everyone except no one would accuse either of you of being a genius?

 

[bphillips4gg]

Ryan Walters is dumber than Ryan Day.

"They aren't allegations. It happened. There's video evidence. There's ticket purchases you can track back. We know for a fact they were at a number of our games." - Ryan Walters on Michigan's sign stealing scandal

56-0 might not be a big enough spread.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

Ryan Walters is dumber than Ryan Day.

"They aren't allegations. It happened. There's video evidence. There's ticket purchases you can track back. We know for a fact they were at a number of our games." - Ryan Walters on Michigan's sign stealing scandal

56-0 might not be a big enough spread.

This dude just fucked his team. Can't wait for Saturday!!

 

[Michchamp]

Say what you will about MSU fans, alums, coaches, and administrators, but you can always count on them to be guilty of whatever they're crying other people doing to them.

Someone should tell them the saying about living in a glass house and casting stones (they still wouldn't get it).

Story is from 2020:

A new lawsuit was filed in Wayne County (Michigan) Circuit Court by former Michigan State assistant and recruiting coordinator Curtis Blackwell on Tuesday. The suit alleges that he was discriminated against upon his firing and that representatives of the program secretly recorded closed practices of at least one upcoming, out-of-state opponent.
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The suit claims that Blackwell was directed by Dantonio on condition of his employment to violate the civil and/or criminal laws of another state by making (or directing the creation of) an audio or video recording of another person without consent and with the intent to invade their privacy. The lawsuit does not specify which team or teams had practices illegally recorded.
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He probably just made up this highly specific piece of information when he filed his second suit against MSU. Right?

 

[michdad1]

Another interesting video.

https://youtu.be/hn5hGU_SfFk?si=5usvQUdDAMzAS18G

 

[Spartanmack]

Say what you will about MSU fans, alums, coaches, and administrators, but you can always count on them to be guilty of whatever they're crying other people doing to them.

Someone should tell them the saying about living in a glass house and casting stones (they still wouldn't get it).

Story is from 2020:

A new lawsuit was filed in Wayne County (Michigan) Circuit Court by former Michigan State assistant and recruiting coordinator Curtis Blackwell on Tuesday. The suit alleges that he was discriminated against upon his firing and that representatives of the program secretly recorded closed practices of at least one upcoming, out-of-state opponent.
...
The suit claims that Blackwell was directed by Dantonio on condition of his employment to violate the civil and/or criminal laws of another state by making (or directing the creation of) an audio or video recording of another person without consent and with the intent to invade their privacy. The lawsuit does not specify which team or teams had practices illegally recorded.
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He probably just made up this highly specific piece of information when he filed his second suit against MSU. Right?

this is nothing but opinion and speculation - and as all great legal scholars know, opinions and speculation are evidence of nothing. I imagine this is particularly true when those opinions and speculation come from disgruntled former employees who were fired for interfering in a sexual assault investigation. If only there was a lawyer here that could confirm this...

I suppose you could be forgiven for not knowing this since uofm doesn't have any such former employees because they don't fire people for interfering in sexual assault investigations.

 

[gotime909]

this is nothing but opinion and speculation - and as all great legal scholars know, opinions and speculation are evidence of nothing. I imagine this is particularly true when those opinions and speculation come from disgruntled former employees who were fired for interfering in a sexual assault investigation. If only there was a lawyer here that could confirm this...

I suppose you could be forgiven for not knowing this since uofm doesn't have any such former employees because they don't fire people for interfering in sexual assault investigations.

There is no chance mc really works in law

 

[Spartanmack]

I understand all of that, and you are right, they certainly don't need to know any signs in advance to beat shitty teams.

I was just laughing at the video, watching Stroud and the offense look at the sideline for the play call. At the same time Stalions and the UM sideline were looking at the OSU sideline. All of a sudden, he, a bunch of players, and their own signal caller, were all calling the play as a pass. Everybody knew, even a bunch of the UM players on the sideline were pointing in the air. Someone on the OSU sideline should have seen this...it was so obvious.

they don't and yet someone still took the risk. If this ends up costing them anything, it's their own fault for being so stupid.