Sources: NCAA investigating Michigan football for alleged rule violations related to

[Michchamp]

the media is what is driving this story. UM is at the top of the mountain right now. When you are at the top, people try to take you down. I don't think OSU gives two shits about this story. Most people don't.

Some at OSU do (apparently not Jim Knowles though according to the article I just cited).

There are some rumors on Michigan sites that Ryan Day's brother runs an private investigation firm in NH or MA (somewhere up there) and was the source cited in one of the WaPo's articles about this. And that article was written by the guy at the WaPo who went to BC with Ryan Day. link.

The 11Warriors board seems to have swallowed the initial hit pieces on Michigan hook line and sinker, like the fish they are, and dismisses Sam Webb's claims without addressing them (link)

It would be hilarious if this blows up on Ryan Day.

 

[Michchamp]

it's amusing for OSU fans to claim we cheated, given the way they lost last year.

First "It was only five big plays and we would've won otherwise"... okay.

Now we apparently knew OSU's signs.

They give up a TD when JJ handles the blitz and makes the throw to CJ, revealing OSU's pass defense is soft. Then the very next play go right back to him over the top, and there's not an OSU DB within 5 yards of him?

We must've cheated... no one could have foreseen, etc.

Then when Donovan Edwards twice ran right through the OSU line & LBs on simple off-tackle running plays in obvious run situations... what did we do? We had passes called but audibled to runs when we saw OSU signaled in pass defense calls?

OSU fans need to learn to lose with grace, or bring back someone good at cheating like Tressel or Meyer.

according to that espn article, Brett Venables was a great sign stealer at Clemson (and look what happened to them since he left). Can he still steal signs as an HC though? Maybe OSU can make him the highest paid assistant in sports history to serve as their DC.

 

[tomdalton22]

Some at OSU do (apparently not Jim Knowles though according to the article I just cited).

There are some rumors on Michigan sites that Ryan Day's brother runs an private investigation firm in NH or MA (somewhere up there) and was the source cited in one of the WaPo's articles about this. And that article was written by the guy at the WaPo who went to BC with Ryan Day. link.

The 11Warriors board seems to have swallowed the initial hit pieces on Michigan hook line and sinker, like the fish they are, and dismisses Sam Webb's claims without addressing them (link)

It would be hilarious if this blows up on Ryan Day.

I have never been on the 11Warriors site. My guess it consists of the worst of the worst OSU fans. A bunch of mouth breathers that think that OSU can do no wrong and UM sucks. I can't stand fans that are so one sided. This is why I like to spend my time on this site. Most fans are somewhat level headed.

 

[tomdalton22]

now Central Michigan is getting in on the "investigation"

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...n-connor-stalions-potential-sideline-presence

If I were the UM AD, I would cancel the OOC game with them in 2025. There goes your $1.5M payday

 

[Michchamp]

I have never been on the 11Warriors site. My guess it consists of the worst of the worst OSU fans. A bunch of mouth breathers that think that OSU can do no wrong and UM sucks. I can't stand fans that are so one sided. This is why I like to spend my time on this site. Most fans are somewhat level headed.

Yeah, we are pretty great here.

I guess 11Warriors is the OSU equivalent of the RCMB now.

Painting with a broad brush here, but prior to last year I considered 11Warriors a bit less of an "angry mob" than the RCMB, but winning two games in a row broke OSU fans' brains.

 

[bphillips4gg]

I have never been on the 11Warriors site. My guess it consists of the worst of the worst OSU fans. A bunch of mouth breathers that think that OSU can do no wrong and UM sucks. I can't stand fans that are so one sided. This is why I like to spend my time on this site. Most fans are somewhat level headed.

I don't spend too much time on 11W but occasionally I will read their "threat level" when it's a suggested article for me. It's definitely a homer site and as much as many of us despise MGoBlow at least Brian attempts to be unbiased.

In other news, Sam Webb posted an update today that it is full speed ahead on Jim's contract renewal. The board, Warde and Santa apparently have all the information about the Stallions situation and all feel confident that Jim was neither aware of nor ordered the "operation" and are therefore all eager to get him signed. Will be highest paid coach in the conference.

Last thing, I did notice that 247 is running a 50% off special if anyone is interested. You get a year of their paid content and a year Paramount Plus for about $55.

 

[gotime909]

This story just keeps getting better. I can't wait for the movie to come out

 

[Spartanmack]

The best part of the story so far is coming from this board - it's the whole 'According to Jim Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh had no knowledge of what Stalions was doing so he's not guilty. Case closed, move on NCAA.' then 'As long as he didn't ask where all the information about other teams' signs was coming from he has no responsibility for what his subordinates were doing.' basically the view here is 'As the leader of the program, he's not accountable for ensuring the letter and spirit of the rules are followed at every level of the organization.'

 

[Spartanmack]

uofm is crazy to fire Stalions - he may be the most productive and resourceful guy in all of college football. He makes $55k/yr yet he's able to get sideline access to future opponents in THEIR stadiums posing as a staff member of their opponents visiting team in full team sideline gear. When he can't do that, he's able to purchase some of the most expensive seats on both sidelines of their future opponents to steal signs.

He does all that without using uofm's money or resources - and he does that with not only no help, but not even the knowledge of anyone on uofm's staff. Incredible. That's one resourceful SOB - any team would love to have him. Unfortunately for them it sounds like Connor is the textbook definition of a Michigan Man. I doubt he'd be interested in plying his skills anywhere else.

 

[byco42]

This story just keeps getting better. I can't wait for the movie to come out

Maybe you could be a extra as a fan exiting Spartan Stadium in the third quarter of the 49-0 drubbing.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

What's funny is everyone is making a big deal about a guy just standing there. No recording, no taking notes, just standing dumbfounded as to how bad MSU is. He's thinking, "why the fuck am I even here?"

 

[UMRules06]

https://theathletic.com/5013443/2023/11/01/college-football-coaches-thoughts-sign-stealing-michigan/

Whatever people feel about the validity of the allegations and whether or not Harbaugh knew....we're going to have a black eye on the program for a very long time a la the Houston Astros.

 

[Michchamp]

https://theathletic.com/5013443/2023/11/01/college-football-coaches-thoughts-sign-stealing-michigan/

wait a minute... I am not paying for the athletic, but did that article say "94% of college coaches say Michigan crossed a line" and then basing that on a survey of 50 coaches?

Also... like when it came out an LSU booster was embezzling $100,000s from charity to give to recruits and get them to play for the school, I don't remember anyone in the sporting press giving a shit, or surveying coaches to see if they thought THAT crossed a line. and the guy went to jail for it. it was an actual crime.

Does the very NATURE of the coverage about this strike anyone else as improper?

Like the ESPN story I linked to where they gave coaches an anonymous platform to hate on Michigan?

can you say WITCHHUNT?!? :ugh:

 

[gotime909]

What's funny is everyone is making a big deal about a guy just standing there. No recording, no taking notes, just standing dumbfounded as to how bad MSU is. He's thinking, "why the fuck am I even here?"

No, funny is one of your staffers hitting the spirit Halloween store before hitting Spartan Stadium

 

[UMRules06]

wait a minute... I am not paying for the athletic, but did that article say "94% of college coaches say Michigan crossed a line" and then basing that on a survey of 50 coaches?

Also... like when it came out an LSU booster was embezzling $100,000s from charity to give to recruits and get them to play for the school, I don't remember anyone in the sporting press giving a shit, or surveying coaches to see if they thought THAT crossed a line. and the guy went to jail for it. it was an actual crime.

Does the very NATURE of the coverage about this strike anyone else as improper?

Like the ESPN story I linked to where they gave coaches an anonymous platform to hate on Michigan?

can you say WITCHHUNT?!? :ugh:

50 coaches is a pretty significant sample size, although I have no idea how they did their sampling method. If you want to nitpick that you can, but it seems like a stretch to disagree with the claim that a majority of coaches think we acted out of bounds here.

The LSU case and other similar scandals all took place off the field and not during games so I think that's a factor as to why our particular case lends itself more to the sensationalism style of story it has become. People care a lot more about potential cheating during a game. That sort of story is far less common than offseason shenanigans which I think a lot of fans have just come to accept that "it happens everywhere". The LSU guy was also sent to jail as you mentioned.

 

[Spartanmack]

What's funny is everyone is making a big deal about a guy just standing there. No recording, no taking notes, just standing dumbfounded as to how bad MSU is. He's thinking, "why the fuck am I even here?"

several articles point out the sunglasses he was wearing (for a night game) looked like Ray Ban smart glasses and pictures show him carrying around a clipboard. What's really funny is the lengths homers will go to in order to dismiss the ever increasing pile of evidence as a big pile of nothing.

 

[gotime909]

several articles point out the sunglasses he was wearing (for a night game) looked like Ray Ban smart glasses and pictures show him carrying around a blank clipboard. What's really funny is the lengths homers will go to in order to dismiss the ever increasing pile of evidence as a big pile of nothing.

Could you imagine this same thread if it was OSU?

 

[Spartanmack]

wait a minute... I am not paying for the athletic, but did that article say "94% of college coaches say Michigan crossed a line" and then basing that on a survey of 50 coaches?

Also... like when it came out an LSU booster was embezzling $100,000s from charity to give to recruits and get them to play for the school, I don't remember anyone in the sporting press giving a shit, or surveying coaches to see if they thought THAT crossed a line. and the guy went to jail for it. it was an actual crime.

Does the very NATURE of the coverage about this strike anyone else as improper?

Like the ESPN story I linked to where they gave coaches an anonymous platform to hate on Michigan?

can you say WITCHHUNT?!? :ugh:

got any evidence that indicates no one thought the LSU scandal was a big deal or no one gave a shit? Other than your desire to believe everyone is out to get uofm and they just look the other way when things happen at other schools, of course.

 

[Spartanmack]

Could you imagine this same thread if it was OSU?

Please...

I'm still shocked Tom says he prefers this site because people are more balanced than 11Warriors. I've never been on 11 warriors but if that's not sarcasm, I challenge him or anyone else to find anything "fair" or "balanced" or remotely complimentary turd or any other prolific poster here other than Tinsel or Byco has said about OSU, PSU, MSU or a single other school that has been beating up on uofm for the last 15+ years.

 

[Michchamp]

you dipshits need to learn what "evidence" is. it's not speculation from some guy. it's not somebody's opinion.

And even if you get to that point and prove Stalions violated NCAA rules, or - worse for us - he operated at higher-ups on the staff's direction, that begs the question why we were singled out for this, given the number of other coaches on the record saying lots of other teams do and have done this & anybody pretending to be shocked about this is full of shit.