Sources: NCAA investigating Michigan football for alleged rule violations related to

[gotime909]

you dipshits need to learn what "evidence" is. it's not speculation from some guy. it's not somebody's opinion.

And even if you get to that point and prove Stalions violated NCAA rules, or - worse for us - he operated at higher-ups on the staff's direction, that begs the question why we were singled out for this, given the number of other coaches on the record saying lots of other teams do and have done this & anybody pretending to be shocked about this is full of shit.

Ok Cochrane

 

[Spartanmack]

you dipshits need to learn what "evidence" is. it's not speculation from some guy. it's not somebody's opinion.

And even if you get to that point and prove Stalions violated NCAA rules, or - worse for us - he operated at higher-ups on the staff's direction, that begs the question why we were singled out for this, given the number of other coaches on the record saying lots of other teams do and have done this & anybody pretending to be shocked about this is full of shit.

Lol - unaccomplished anti-capitalist corporate lawyer with a degree from a retread law school who moved to a state he hates because he couldn?t get anyone in the country?s 4th largest city to give him a job attempts to lecture people about evidence while ignoring actual evidence.

There?s nothing more than opinions and speculation here. The guy behind the scandal who paid people to attend games and steal signs, who was photographed in disguise on the opponents sideline in THEIR stadium - is just an opinion. Pictures and ticket purchase records are not evidence, they?re opinions.

Tell us, Clarence Darrow, which one of these opinions and/or speculation led uofm to fire Connor Stalion? Classic. Well done dipshit.

 

[byco42]

Could you imagine this same thread if it was OSU?

Or it was Michigan and MSU fans were commenting?

 

[Michchamp]

Conor Stalions hasn't been fired, numbsack. on paid leave while an actual investigation is done.

 

[Spartanmack]

Conor Stalions hasn't been fired, numbsack. on paid leave while an actual investigation is done.

Sorry, he?s on paid leave - based on opinions and speculation (not evidence) pending an investigation that so far has only yielded opinions and speculation, not any evidence. Thanks for clarifying that F Lee Bailey.

 

[tomdalton22]

Please...

I'm still shocked Tom says he prefers this site because people are more balanced than 11Warriors. I've never been on 11 warriors but if that's not sarcasm, I challenge him or anyone else to find anything "fair" or "balanced" or remotely complimentary turd or any other prolific poster here other than Tinsel or Byco has said about OSU, PSU, MSU or a single other school that has been beating up on uofm for the last 15+ years.

I really did mean I like this board better than any "pro OSU" board. I can't stand reading the hate and bias of some of the idiot diehard OSU fans that take it too far. There is some of that here toward OSU, but I can deal with that. I am the same way with my politics. I lean right on a lot of things, especially on the financial side of politics, but I hate fox news.

 

[Michchamp]

From Tim Brando:

Anyone watching this
@UMichFootball
scandal should be able to see the media?s manipulation of this with its recent stories out this morning. Lemme begin this soliloquy with understanding that anonymous sources have forever been part of journalism. How information is gathered is of no consequence to me, however context is also important. It?s clear @bigten coaches and most others are pissed over perceived competitive advantages @CoachJim4UM is alleged to have had this season. We get it. They?re baiting new Commissioner Tony Petitti to act on his own without Michigan having received a Notice of Allegation which starts a 90 day clock for the University to legally respond.​

It's damning the ones slinging mud won't go on the record. But of course if your program just plain sucks and your miserable and hate Michigan, you don't care who's slinging mud & why, you just want to join in.

 

[Michchamp]

spartanmack reminds me of Homer in that one Simpsons' episode where he gets jealous of Flanders for coaching the local kids' football team, and spends hours calling a sports radio show to complain. when they put him on, he's just like "DOn'T yOu Hate FLAAAANDERS? Flanders is such a jerk." until they're finally like "Who are you? Stop calling us."

 

[Spartanmack]

spartanmack reminds me of Homer in that one Simpsons' episode where he gets jealous of Flanders for coaching the local kids' football team, and spends hours calling a sports radio show to complain. when they put him on, he's just like "DOn'T yOu Hate FLAAAANDERS? Flanders is such a jerk." until they're finally like "Who are you? Stop calling us."

You remind me of Lionel Hutz but more clownish and incompetent.

 

[tomdalton22]

lol

in this video, it looks like everybody knew! OSU should have been watching the players across the way :lmao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsgdZxjPtUk&ab_channel=WBNS10TV

 

[Michchamp]

lol

in this video, it looks like everybody knew! OSU should have been watching the players across the way :lmao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsgdZxjPtUk&ab_channel=WBNS10TV

Is it me or do they keep framing regular occurrences as "gotchas"? We KNOW he was on the actual staff in 2022, so yeah wouldn't you expect him to be on our sideline for games, sign stealing or not?

I guess at least going forward, we'll see how much it mattered. I mean, MSU knew and we beat them 49-0...

We'll see how Purdue, Penn St., Maryland, and OSU fare with the groundbreaking knowledge that Michigan discovered you can look at an opposing teams' signs and use them to gain an advantage in the game.

The CMU thing is also absurd. why the hell would he waste his time at that particular game? OSU was playing Indiana that week... two future opponents, and one that could actually beat us. How did they let him walk around for four quarters?

Don't coaching staffs or stadium security vet who's on the sideline? He supposedly had a pass. I don't expect them to know everyone there, and I'm sure Stalions would have a plausible excuse, but you'd think someone would ask "Hey who's that guy standing by himself who nobody knows wearing sunglasses at night on our sideline?"

Coaches bitching about this now, like "Whoa, who could have foreseen someone would do this?" remind me of idiot neighbors on Nextdoor.com who get angry when they leave their laptops, money (!), wallets, etc. in plain view in their unlocked cars in their driveway overnight and things get stolen. "ExPlaIn To ME HoW ThIs Is mY FaULt?!?"

 

[byco42]

Saw that clip 10 days ago.

 

[tomdalton22]

Is it me or do they keep framing regular occurrences as "gotchas"? We KNOW he was on the actual staff in 2022, so yeah wouldn't you expect him to be on our sideline for games, sign stealing or not?

I guess at least going forward, we'll see how much it mattered. I mean, MSU knew and we beat them 49-0...

We'll see how Purdue, Penn St., Maryland, and OSU fare with the groundbreaking knowledge that Michigan discovered you can look at an opposing teams' signs and use them to gain an advantage in the game.

The CMU thing is also absurd. why the hell would he waste his time at that particular game? OSU was playing Indiana that week... two future opponents, and one that could actually beat us. How did they let him walk around for four quarters?

Don't coaching staffs or stadium security vet who's on the sideline? He supposedly had a pass. I don't expect them to know everyone there, and I'm sure Stalions would have a plausible excuse, but you'd think someone would ask "Hey who's that guy standing by himself who nobody knows wearing sunglasses at night on our sideline?"

Coaches bitching about this now, like "Whoa, who could have foreseen someone would do this?" remind me of idiot neighbors on Nextdoor.com who get angry when they leave their laptops, money (!), wallets, etc. in plain view in their unlocked cars in their driveway overnight and things get stolen. "ExPlaIn To ME HoW ThIs Is mY FaULt?!?"

I understand all of that, and you are right, they certainly don't need to know any signs in advance to beat shitty teams.

I was just laughing at the video, watching Stroud and the offense look at the sideline for the play call. At the same time Stalions and the UM sideline were looking at the OSU sideline. All of a sudden, he, a bunch of players, and their own signal caller, were all calling the play as a pass. Everybody knew, even a bunch of the UM players on the sideline were pointing in the air. Someone on the OSU sideline should have seen this...it was so obvious.

 

[Michchamp]

I really did mean I like this board better than any "pro OSU" board. I can't stand reading the hate and bias of some of the idiot diehard OSU fans that take it too far. There is some of that here toward OSU, but I can deal with that. I am the same way with my politics. I lean right on a lot of things, especially on the financial side of politics, but I hate fox news.

I never really liked MGoBlog for similar, but different reasons.

I don't think there's as much hate towards MSU or OSU in the Michigan fanbase as you see towards Michigan on the RCMB or 11Warriors. But there was more "groupthink" stuff, along with downvoting anyone they disagreed with. I saw enough of it during the RIchRod years - and MGoBrian was a real douche about it - that it permanently turned me off from that site. It's gotten better since then, but I've done so much posting here, that it's like Cheers.

I'd read the RCMB from time to time to see what they were saying, and occasionally they'd have threads about Michigan state parks, hiking, etc. that I found interesting. As long as they weren't talking about ANYTHING that had to do with UM, most of them were reasonable people. Kinda. But If UM is mentioned, they turn into deranged mutants. SAD!

11Warriors didn't seem to have as much deranged Michigan hate until more recently. I remember thinking they were pretty fair & took the loss in 2021 well. The loss at home seemed to break their brains, and they've only gotten worse since then.

 

[bphillips4gg]

I understand all of that, and you are right, they certainly don't need to know any signs in advance to beat shitty teams.

I was just laughing at the video, watching Stroud and the offense look at the sideline for the play call. At the same time Stalions and the UM sideline were looking at the OSU sideline. All of a sudden, he, a bunch of players, and their own signal caller, were all calling the play as a pass. Everybody knew, even a bunch of the UM players on the sideline were pointing in the air. Someone on the OSU sideline should have seen this...it was so obvious.

If anything that video posts how little impact "sign stealing" has on an actual play and game. The sideline recognizes pass, they alert the defense on the field...touchdown. The ONLY thing they were able to identify was that it was a pass. It's not like they're signaling in the route for every receiver or which receiver the ball is going to.

And fwiw, that was the first drive of the game where OSU, according to OSU, changed their signs. It's all being completely overblown. Go watch OSU's sideline for a game and see how many times you see their whole sideline signaling. Go watch replays of Michigan games from earlier this year and see how many times their sideline signals pass and the opponent runs the ball.

People think this is the equivalent of screen-watching an opponent pick a play in Madden. It's not. The very best they can hope for is to ascertain run or pass and maybe identify a specific target on a pass play. Even then they can get better results 99% of the time by having their players on the field watch footage to identify tendencies and formations themselves. You have less than 40 seconds to signal in a play and that's IF you're not playing a tempo team that's snapping the ball with 25+ seconds left on the clock. It's not like they've got time to tell each player on the field which route the guy they're defending is running or which gap a run is going to go to.

 

[gotime909]

Seriously, what the fuck is going on in this program???

https://247sports.com/college/michi...eged-underage-solicitation-sources-219045620/

 

[bphillips4gg]

I never really liked MGoBlog for similar, but different reasons.

I don't think there's as much hate towards MSU or OSU in the Michigan fanbase as you see towards Michigan on the RCMB or 11Warriors. But there was more "groupthink" stuff, along with downvoting anyone they disagreed with. I saw enough of it during the RIchRod years - and MGoBrian was a real douche about it - that it permanently turned me off from that site. It's gotten better since then, but I've done so much posting here, that it's like Cheers.

247's board is the same with the negging anyone that isn't a total homer. They also simp for every staff member or mod on there similar to how MGoBlog users do for Brian and Seth. I remember one time where one of the 247 staff called a board member (a paying customer, mind you) a "dumbass" and got hundreds of upvotes and posts from users piling on the poster. Pretty shitty way to treat your customers imo.

My issue with MGoBlog has a lot more to do with Seth than anything Brian has done or said. Brian went through a pretty nasty divorce a couple of years ago and it exacerbated his negativity. He tries to spin it as realism but it's just extreme negativity from what appears to be severe depression. Seth on the other hand is just an annoying twat. He constantly laughs at his own jokes, he's never wrong (in his mind) and he goes out of his way to bring his politics into conversations and take shots in the process. It's just exhausting.

The thing MGB does well, and this may be a result of aforementioned negativity, is they make an effort to be unbiased. e.g. 11W waits until after Michigan has annihilated 7 opponents to raise their "threat level" to "severe", even after they've been destroyed 2 straight years and lost the 2nd overall pick at QB and replaced him with John O'Korn 2.0. They constantly shit on JJ McCarthy because he's not throwing for 300 yards a game and conveniently ignore the fact that 1) he doesn't need to 2) he's only playing 3 quarters and 3) he's completing 80 percent of his passes. There was also a fun little stretch where they were making fun of Edwards every week for his struggles while their own team was rushing for 1.9 ypc against Maryland.

MGoBlog on the other hand has their "Fear level" or whatever they call it at a 9 or 10 out of respect for the talent that OSU has. They're complimentary of MHJ and other standouts. They seem to go out of their way to compliment guys like McCord for the things he does well in a given week while being mostly dismissive of things he does poorly.

 

[byco42]

Seriously, what the fuck is going on in this program???

https://247sports.com/college/michi...eged-underage-solicitation-sources-219045620/

In this case, addressing and resolving an issue with a staffer who apparently applied abjectly poor judgement.

 

[gotime909]

In this case, addressing and resolving an issue with a staffer who apparently applied poor judgement.

This many issues in 1 calendar year would signal a culture problem.

 

[byco42]

This many issues in 1 calendar year would signal a culture problem.

Yeah, there's a lot of that going around. As in the ENTIRE culture. I mean, even MSU football has "issues."