Stafford ranked 13th

[LKP]

I have history on my side...all you have is wishful thinking.

History means jack shit for 2014.

 

[LKP]

Stafford was 4th in attempts....my god youre such an idiot you cant even figure out how to do a search correctly.

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Peyton Manning, QB DEN 450 659 68.3 5,477 8.31 78 55 10 18 115.1 342
2 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 439 651 67.4 4,515 6.94 81 26 17 44 89.6 282
3 Drew Brees, QB NO 446 650 68.6 5,162 7.94 76 39 12 37 104.7 323
4 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 371 634 58.5 4,650 7.33 87 29 19 23 84.2 291
5 Tom Brady, QB NE 380 628 60.5 4,343 6.92 81 25 11 40 87.3 271
6 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 74 19 22 48 73.1 245
7 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 355 588 60.4 3,913 6.66 67 24 17 58 81.7 245
8 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 363 586 61.9 4,293 7.33 82 33 20 29 88.8 268
9 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 375 584 64.2 4,261 7.30 67 28 14 42 92.0 266
10 Carson Palmer, QB ARI 362 572 63.3 4,274 7.47 91 24 22 41 83.9 267

No you're the fucking moron. 14th in rushing attempts dumbass.. Fuck you are so stupid.

 

[LKP]

And if anybody has history is me.

Stafford with healthy solid weapons and 30+ turnovers. 41 TDs.

History is on my side.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford was 4th in attempts....my god youre such an idiot you cant even figure out how to do a search correctly.

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Peyton Manning, QB DEN 450 659 68.3 5,477 8.31 78 55 10 18 115.1 342
2 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 439 651 67.4 4,515 6.94 81 26 17 44 89.6 282
3 Drew Brees, QB NO 446 650 68.6 5,162 7.94 76 39 12 37 104.7 323
4 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 371 634 58.5 4,650 7.33 87 29 19 23 84.2 291
5 Tom Brady, QB NE 380 628 60.5 4,343 6.92 81 25 11 40 87.3 271
6 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 74 19 22 48 73.1 245
7 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 355 588 60.4 3,913 6.66 67 24 17 58 81.7 245
8 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 363 586 61.9 4,293 7.33 82 33 20 29 88.8 268
9 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 375 584 64.2 4,261 7.30 67 28 14 42 92.0 266
10 Carson Palmer, QB ARI 362 572 63.3 4,274 7.47 91 24 22 41 83.9 267

he was talking about 14th in rushing attempts.

 

[mhughes0021]

he was talking about 14th in rushing attempts.

ya I get that now....except we were talking about passing attempts and he changed the subject without even saying what he was talking about. definition of a moron.

 

[tomdalton22]

And if anybody has history is me.

Stafford with healthy solid weapons and 30+ turnovers. 41 TDs.

History is on my side.

no...Stafford has had one season like that but over the course of his entire career these would be his stats based on 650 attempts.

4500 yards, 28 TDs and 19 INTs. I gave him a bump in TDs

 

[tomdalton22]

History means jack shit for 2014.

right...he could be better or he could be worse. But what he has actually done over the course of his NFL career is a better indicator of what is likely to happen vs. just hoping that he will do something different.

 

[LKP]

no...Stafford has had one season like that but over the course of his entire career these would be his stats based on 650 attempts.

4500 yards, 28 TDs and 19 INTs. I gave him a bump in TDs

He's had one season with healthy weapons and good turnover support. He blew every other QB out of the water.

With these weapons and coaching, 40 TDs and 12 ints is the most probable.

 

[LKP]

right...he could be better or he could be worse. But what he has actually done over the course of his NFL career is a better indicator of what is likely to happen vs. just hoping that he will do something different.

I'm not just hoping. I know he got better weapons and coaching and has the capabillity of 40 TDs (proven) with the proper support.

He was productive without proper weapons and turnovers in 2012 and 2013.

He's a proven very good QB.

 

[tomdalton22]

He's had one season with healthy weapons and good turnover support. He blew every other QB out of the water.

With these weapons and coaching, 40 TDs and 12 ints is the most probable.

no, that is not probable...it is wishful thinking by you.

Here is the list of QBs that have had at least 40 TDs and 12 or less INTs in a season

2013 Manning
2011 Rodgers
2007 Brady
2004 Manning

That is it. Guess what...Stafford is not as good as Manning, Brady or Rodgers!

 

[LKP]

no, that is not probable...it is wishful thinking by you.

Here is the list of QBs that have had at least 40 TDs and 12 or less INTs in a season

2013 Manning
2011 Rodgers
2007 Brady
2004 Manning

That is it. Guess what...Stafford is not as good as Manning, Brady or Rodgers!

Stafford can be with these weapons. 2011 proves that. Huge year coming for Stafford is clearly the most probable.

 

[grandy]

Stats look nice on the surface, lets see how Stafford compares 2011-13, opponent adjusted (for some stats).

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2011
http://wp.advancedfootballanalytics.com/playerstats.php?year=2013&pos=QB&season=reg

2011
QBR: 65.5, 7th
DYAR: 1170, 5th
YAR: 1312, 4th
DVOA: 14.9%, 10th
Effective Yards: +432 yards, a little better than standard stats indicate
WPA: 3.73, 6th
EPA: 111.8, 6th
WPA/G: 0.23, 6th
EPA/P: 0.15, t9th
Success Rate: 49.8%, 8th
AYPA: 5.8, t8th

2012
QBR: 58.9, 15th
DYAR: 1160, 6th
YAR: 891, 7th
DVOA: 12.2%, 12th
Effective Yards: +810 yards, better than standard stats indicate
WPA: 1.86, 17th
EPA: 72.5, 13th
WPA/G: 0.12, 17th
EPA/P: 0.09, t16th
Success Rate: 48.6%, 13th
AYPA: 5.3, 18th

2013
QBR: ??
DYAR: 690, 12th
YAR: 838, 7th
DVOA: 4.9%, 15th
Effective Yards: -29 yards, bout the same as standard stats indicate
WPA: 1.98, 14th
EPA: 74.4, 15th
WPA/G: 0.12, 16th
EPA/P: 0.10, t16th
Success Rate: 46.8%, t16th
AYPA: 5.5, t10th

The stats indicate Stafford has declined over the past 2 years, will we ever see 2011 numbers or better?

 

[LKP]

The stats indicate Stafford didn't have healthy weapons or turnover support. He has not declined. He's very good.

 

[jdeb]

I just keep thinking about how he folds under pressure and those awful split stats from that link LKP provided some threads ago.

 

[grandy]

I also decided to look up DVOA for the offense around Stafford the past three seasons. This is probably slightly irrelevant to the conversation, but I wanted to post it anyway.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/

WR/TE/RB only accounts for plays involving passes to/rushes for the player
DYAR = Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement
DVOA = Defense-adjusted Value Over Average
"The simple version: DYAR means a running back with more total value. DVOA means a running back with more value per play."

Wide Receivers (min. 50 passes)
2011
Johnson
DYAR: 570
DVOA: 31.9%

Young
DYAR: 70
DVOA: -2.3%

Burleson
DYAR: 60
DVOA: -5.7%

2012
Johnson
DYAR: 451
DVOA: 14.7%

Young
DYAR: 66
DVOA: 2.4%

2013
Johnson
DYAR: 347
DVOA: 14.9%

Burleson
DYAR: 56
DVOA: 0.4%

Durham
DYAR: -39
DVOA: -18.5%


Tight Ends (min. 25 passes)
2011
Scheffler
DYAR: 66
DVOA: 14.5%

Pettigrew
DYAR: -43
DVOA: -12.6%

2012
Scheffler
DYAR: -50
DVOA: -16.2%

Pettigrew
DYAR: -122
DVOA: -25.3%

2013
Fauria
DYAR: 64
DVOA: 24.2%

Pettigrew
DYAR: -37
DVOA: -16.6%


Running Backs, Rushing (min. 100 rushes)
2011
No RBs with over 100 rushes

2012
Leshoure
DYAR: 63
DVOA: -1.6%

2013
Bell
DYAR: 78
DVOA: 2.0%

Bush
DYAR: 7
DVOA: -7.8%


Running Backs, Receiving (min. 25 passes)
2011
Morris
DYAR: 60
DVOA: 19.0%

Smith
DYAR: 56
DVOA: 19.4%

Best
DAYR: 56
DVOA: 12%

2012
Bell
DYAR: 194
DVOA: 32.9%

Leshoure
DYAR: 10
DVOA: -10.1%

2013
Bell
DYAR: 196
DVOA: 40.3%

Bush
DYAR: 94
DVOA: 5.8%


Offensive Line
2011
Adjusted Line Yards: 3.70 (31st)
Power Rank: 28th
Stuffed Rank: 25th
2nd Level Rank: 21st
Open Field Rank: 14th
Adjusted Sack Rate: 5.9% (10th)

2012
Adjusted Line Yards: 4.05 (15th)
Power Rank: 27th
Stuffed Rank: 5th
2nd Level Rank: 20th
Open Field Rank: 27th
Adjusted Sack Rate: 3.7% (1st)

2012
Adjusted Line Yards: 3.94 (13th)
Power Rank: 3rd
Stuffed Rank: 12th
2nd Level Rank: 9th
Open Field Rank: 17th
Adjusted Sack Rate: 4.5% (2nd)

 

[LKP]

Durham(2013), Pettigrew, Scheffler (2012) and LeShoure (2012) seemed to screw Stafford per those stats. Like I've been saying.

And Burleson/Young could be upgraded but Stafford did well with them.

Stafford was 64% to Calvin, Burleson,Pettigrew and Bell/Bush in 2013.

Ebron and Tate fix this. Separation for better completion %, less drops and more YAC and ability to throw farther down the field.

Big year for Stafford.

 

[tomdalton22]

Durham(2013), Pettigrew, Scheffler (2012) and LeShoure (2012) seemed to screw Stafford per those stats. Like I've been saying.

And Burleson/Young could be upgraded but Stafford did well with them.

Stafford was 64% to Calvin, Burleson,Pettigrew and Bell/Bush in 2013.

Ebron and Tate fix this. Separation for better completion %, less drops and more YAC and ability to throw farther down the field.

Big year for Stafford.

Ebron was a drop machine in college. Stafford's 90 MPH "touch" passes should fix that!!!

 

[LKP]

Ebron was a drop machine in college. Stafford's 90 MPH "touch" passes should fix that!!!

Ebron still had a good completion %. Separation will make for a lot of easy passes. And Ebrons YAC and downfield ability will make completions worth that much more.

16.5 YPC and over 8 yards of YAC. He's a damn nightmare for opponents.

 

[tomdalton22]

Ebron still had a good completion %. Separation will make for a lot of easy passes. And Ebrons YAC and downfield ability will make completions worth that much more.

16.5 YPC and over 8 yards of YAC. He's a damn nightmare for opponents.

his jr & sr year he had 102 catches and averaged about 15.7 YPC. He did only have 7 TDs in those two seasons which is kind of odd since he is such a nightmare matchup for opponents.

 

[mhughes0021]

his jr & sr year he had 102 catches and averaged about 15.7 YPC. He did only have 7 TDs in those two seasons which is kind of odd since he is such a nightmare matchup for opponents.

he had a bad qb that wasn't very accurate and had a tendancy of throwing high to his WRs....oh wait.