Stafford ranked as 11th most accurate passer

[tonyballs]

I think it's absolutely fucking hysterical reading comments from the haters of Stafford on this subject. It's like watching a pinball game.....you're all over the place ...lmao. But....but....but.....but.....but....wow.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Hi, Tony.

 

[LKP]

Lions face thise easy defenses in 2016. First half 2015 was insanely difficult defenses and stafford had run game, protection and lombardi handicaps. Stafford played well all season, not jist second half

 

[LKP]

Lions face 2015 second half defenses in 2016. Stafford had 110 rating. Best in league. Very possible stafford is top3 qb this year

 

[tonyballs]

Hi, Tony.

Hey, Mitch!!!!

 

[tonyballs]

Lions face thise easy defenses in 2016. First half 2015 was insanely difficult defenses and stafford had run game, protection and lombardi handicaps. Stafford played well all season, not jist second half

Pretty sure the whole "but Stafford played terrible defenses in the second half" were destroyed this year. I know I read it somewhere....maybe one of my FF mags....i'll try and find it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Never know how defenses will be once the season starts.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...bag-five-players-who-have-impressed/88512000/
Justin Rogers' Lions mailbag: Five players who have impressed.
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Justin, Where do you rank Stafford out of all starting QBs? Top 15? Top 10?

I tend to agree with the ESPN rankings that Stafford is in the middle of the pack. He's clearly behind Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson and Cam Newton. I'd still easily take 37-year-old Drew Brees over Stafford in a single game or season. Philip Rivers and Carson Palmer are older, but better players. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco have proven it in the playoffs. Durability concerns aside, Andrew Luck has more talent, given his mobility, plus some early-career playoff success.

That puts Stafford in a group with Tony Romo, Matt Ryan and Andy Dalton. There's talent, but not a lot of team success. Given the Lions some playoff wins and local and national perceptions would change on Stafford, quickly.

 

[brewer229]

Pretty sure the whole "but Stafford played terrible defenses in the second half" were destroyed this year. I know I read it somewhere....maybe one of my FF mags....i'll try and find it.

Lets look at the teams they played and their YPG, Comp %, and Rating were for the year

Lions Played GB twice:
Average: 58.3% (4th), 228 Yards (6th), 80.1 Rat (7th)
Stafford: 63.2%, 242 Yards, 87.8 Rat
Stafford: 65.7%, 220 Yards, 102.1 Rat

Oakland:
Average: 63.0% (16th), 259 Yards (26th), 86.8 Rat (11th)
Stafford: 62.9%, 282 Yards, 88.0 Rat

Philly
Average: 62.2% (12th), 267 Yards (28th), 92.8 Rat (18th)
Stafford: 71.1%, 331 Yards, 137.8 Rat

Rams:
Average: 66.8% (28th), 254 Yards (23rd), 90.4 Rat (16th)
Stafford: 65.2%, 245 Yards, 84.1 Rat

New Orleans:
Average: 68.4% (31st), 284 Yards (31st), 116.2 Rat (32nd)
Stafford: 88%, 254 Yards, 148.6 Rat

San Fran:
Average: 70.0% (32nd), 261 Yards (27th), 98.1 Rat (25th)
Stafford: 78.4%, 301 Yards, 118.6 Rat

Chicago:
Average: 62.9% (14th), 225 Yards (4th), 99.3 Rat (26th)
Stafford: 71.8%, 298 Yards, 119.4 Rat


So did Stafford play well, yes. Did he play a number of poor defenses, yes.

I think most people are summing it up well. He played very well in a shorter throw, simpler offense against a majority teams that are in the bottom half of the league. For half a season.

The original article that started this out also showed for his career Stafford was one of the least accurate QBs since 2006.
I don't think there is anything wrong with saying, lets see him do this for an entire year against both good and bad defenses before we consider this the Stafford we expect.
What one should expect vs hope for are two different things. I'm guessing everyone here would love to have Stafford finish as a top 5 QB this year. But saying prove it, is not being negative.

 

[tonyballs]

Lets look at the teams they played and their YPG, Comp %, and Rating were for the year

Lions Played GB twice:
Average: 58.3% (4th), 228 Yards (6th), 80.1 Rat (7th)
Stafford: 63.2%, 242 Yards, 87.8 Rat
Stafford: 65.7%, 220 Yards, 102.1 Rat

Oakland:
Average: 63.0% (16th), 259 Yards (26th), 86.8 Rat (11th)
Stafford: 62.9%, 282 Yards, 88.0 Rat

Philly
Average: 62.2% (12th), 267 Yards (28th), 92.8 Rat (18th)
Stafford: 71.1%, 331 Yards, 137.8 Rat

Rams:
Average: 66.8% (28th), 254 Yards (23rd), 90.4 Rat (16th)
Stafford: 65.2%, 245 Yards, 84.1 Rat

New Orleans:
Average: 68.4% (31st), 284 Yards (31st), 116.2 Rat (32nd)
Stafford: 88%, 254 Yards, 148.6 Rat

San Fran:
Average: 70.0% (32nd), 261 Yards (27th), 98.1 Rat (25th)
Stafford: 78.4%, 301 Yards, 118.6 Rat

Chicago:
Average: 62.9% (14th), 225 Yards (4th), 99.3 Rat (26th)
Stafford: 71.8%, 298 Yards, 119.4 Rat


So did Stafford play well, yes. Did he play a number of poor defenses, yes.

I think most people are summing it up well. He played very well in a shorter throw, simpler offense against a majority teams that are in the bottom half of the league. For half a season.

The original article that started this out also showed for his career Stafford was one of the least accurate QBs since 2006.
I don't think there is anything wrong with saying, lets see him do this for an entire year against both good and bad defenses before we consider this the Stafford we expect.
What one should expect vs hope for are two different things. I'm guessing everyone here would love to have Stafford finish as a top 5 QB this year. But saying prove it, is not being negative.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but I just think the "bad defense" theory is a bit overblown is all. Kinda like Ebron's drops are too. That's a whole other bag of issues tho ..lol. I even read somewhere that it's completely overblown and I will find it...

 

[LKP]

Eagles, saints, rams, bears twice, packers twice. We play all these teams again when stafford did well. We dont play seattle, denver, kc, arizona. Stud defenses. We play giants, skins, cowboys, titans, colts, jags. All average to poor defenses on paper

Stafford should murder 13 teams defenses. 3 games are tough. Vikings twice and houston..if the line finally blocks and run game gets close to average, stafford can carve up those defenses too with the plethora of weapons he has

Lions face 13 average to poor defenses. Big year for stafford

 

[LKP]

Also lions defense only forced 18 turnovers. If that rises it help stafford big time

 

[brewer229]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but I just think the "bad defense" theory is a bit overblown is all. Kinda like Ebron's drops are too. That's a whole other bag of issues tho ..lol. I even read somewhere that it's completely overblown and I will find it...

Ah, I agree with that.

Whenever you complete 70% of your passes over 8 games that is impressive no matter what defenses you are playing. It is still an NFL defense. You still have to hit the open moving guy. The window might not be as tight, but it's still about making a good decision, throwing a good ball accurately.

Yes, it was only 8 games. But it showed maturity, ability, and a bit of humility. He did rise to the occasion when they basically told him, we are asking you to do less. He did what they asked him too. And did it well.

It was enough for me to move from the get rid of Stafford crowd, to the well he is our best bet for the season and we can be successful with him crowd.

I'm still not in the top QB crowd, or the extend Stafford now crowd. He needs to prove for a season that he can do what he did the final 8 games. If he performs as well or nearly as well for the full season then I will be saying lets extend him. He has finally given us something besides a strong arm to be excited about.

 

[tonyballs]

Ah, I agree with that.

Whenever you complete 70% of your passes over 8 games that is impressive no matter what defenses you are playing. It is still an NFL defense. You still have to hit the open moving guy. The window might not be as tight, but it's still about making a good decision, throwing a good ball accurately.

Yes, it was only 8 games. But it showed maturity, ability, and a bit of humility. He did rise to the occasion when they basically told him, we are asking you to do less. He did what they asked him too. And did it well.

It was enough for me to move from the get rid of Stafford crowd, to the well he is our best bet for the season and we can be successful with him crowd.

I'm still not in the top QB crowd, or the extend Stafford now crowd. He needs to prove for a season that he can do what he did the final 8 games. If he performs as well or nearly as well for the full season then I will be saying lets extend him. He has finally given us something besides a strong arm to be excited about.

Yes.....you're learning.

 

[LKP]

58 percent to calvin, 70 percent to tate, 68 percent to ebron and 80 percentto riddick. Marvin jones was 63 percent by the way

1100 yards and 9 tds at 58 percent isnt that high of a bar for marvin jones. We could have a big year without 1000 yard or 10 td guy. Spread the ball around

 

[tonyballs]

Watching "Good Morning Football" on the NFLN. Stafford ranked 13th best QB.

 

[tonyballs]

58 percent to calvin, 70 percent to tate, 68 percent to ebron and 80 percentto riddick. Marvin jones was 63 percent by the way

1100 yards and 9 tds at 58 percent isnt that high of a bar for marvin jones. We could have a big year without 1000 yard or 10 td guy. Spread the ball around

Marvin Jones could have that Golden Tate effect. Everybody cried when Tate came over from Seattle and look what we have now in Golden. Jones could have a monster year for us.

 

[mhughes0021]

Eagles, saints, rams, bears twice, packers twice. We play all these teams again when stafford did well. We dont play seattle, denver, kc, arizona. Stud defenses. We play giants, skins, cowboys, titans, colts, jags. All average to poor defenses on paper

Stafford should murder 13 teams defenses. 3 games are tough. Vikings twice and houston..if the line finally blocks and run game gets close to average, stafford can carve up those defenses too with the plethora of weapons he has

Lions face 13 average to poor defenses. Big year for stafford

Alot of the "stafford haters" agree with you. Stafford should have a big year because we play alot of shitty teams. Just like the 2nd half of last year. The problem with that is assuming the new look oline will perform atleast as good as last year's version. Last year's line wasnt good by any means. ...but nothing says this year's line will be any good either just cause you drafted a couple rookies.

 

[mhughes0021]

Marvin Jones could have that Golden Tate effect. Everybody cried when Tate came over from Seattle and look what we have now in Golden. Jones could have a monster year for us.

The problem with jones is he's a stretch the field guy in a dink and dunk offense. He'll get his opportunities to make the big play. But i don't think stafford finds him consistently enough for a "monster year." Atleast i haven't seen that version of our offense in the last 3 years.

 

[tonyballs]

The problem with jones is he's a stretch the field guy in a dink and dunk offense. He'll get his opportunities to make the big play. But i don't think stafford finds him consistently enough for a "monster year." Atleast i haven't seen that version of our offense in the last 3 years.

It's not really a problem lol. Do you honestly think that Jones is just going to run fly patterns all day while they dump the ball off to Ebron, Riddick and Tate all day?? Use your head, man. Jones is primed to have a huge year for the Lions....they will use him to THEIR advantage.