Stafford Tops Sporting News' Overrated QB List

[tonyballs]

He will never understand that.

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[LKP]

NFC North is a very average conference.

The Lions, other than a few bright patches here and there have been a doormat/average team.

The Bears were good back in the day.

Vikings have sucked for a long time.

Throw the Lions in the AFC North, NFC West, AFC West. They'd never sniff the playoffs.

There is no team in any of those divisions better than the Lions. Lions could win any of those divisions not having to deal with GB. Lions will prove it again after an 11 win season. and will do it against NFC West and AFC West and NFC North.

Vikings are tougher now (2014 and will be in 2015) and Packers are very tough. NFC North is the toughest division in football.

 

[tomdalton22]

NFC South is better than NFC East despite what the record says. NFC South just had to deal with tough NFC North.

That may be the most moronic thing you have said here in weeks....and you say some stupid shit!

In non divisional games the NFC South as a division had a point differential of -227. Outside of their own division the NFC East had a +32 point differential. The NFC south was by far the worst division in the NFL last year and it wasn't even close!

 

[LKP]

That may be the most moronic thing you have said here in weeks....and you say some stupid shit!

In non divisional games the NFC South as a division had a point differential of -227. Outside of their own division the NFC East had a +32 point differential. The NFC south was by far the worst division in the NFL last year and it wasn't even close!

NFC South had to deal with tough NFC North and AFC North. They are much better than their record and point differentials indicate. NFC South>NFC East

Carolina, Atlanta and Saints are tougher teams than thought and Atlanta and Saints offenses can be explosive. Eagles, Giants meh. Cowboys have no defense. Redskins on par with Bucs. Plus Lions crushed the Giants.


Lions going 5-1 in North, 2-2 vs AFC East when they had to play at Pats (8-0 at home) and couldn't kick FGs against Buffalo and top 5 defense and 3-1 vs NFC South and crushing Giants is impressive.

Like I said losses to Bucs, Giants at Vikings and 1-3 vs AFC in 2013 became crush Giants, Bucs, at Vikings and go 2-2 vs AFC for 11-5. Beat Miami instead of lose to Baltimore (both were 8-8 teams).

Still split with GB (more impressive split in 2014), lost at Zona, swept Bears and beat tougher Vikings at home.

That leaves wins over Saints and Falcons in London. Those are impressive wins. More impressive than 2013 Dallas and 2013 at Washington wins.

 

[tomdalton22]

NFC South had to deal with tough NFC North and AFC North. They are much better than their record and point differentials indicate. NFC South>NFC East

Carolina, Atlanta and Saints are tougher teams than thought and Atlanta and Saints offenses can be explosive. Eagles, Giants meh. Cowboys have no defense. Redskins on par with Bucs. Plus Lions crushed the Giants.


Lions going 5-1 in North, 2-2 vs AFC East when they had to play at Pats (8-0 at home) and couldn't kick FGs against Buffalo and top 5 defense and 3-1 vs NFC South and crushing Giants is impressive.

Like I said losses to Bucs, Giants at Vikings and 1-3 vs AFC in 2013 became crush Giants, Bucs, at Vikings and go 2-2 vs AFC for 11-5. Beat Miami instead of lose to Baltimore (both were 8-8 teams).

Still split with GB (more impressive split in 2014), lost at Zona, swept Bears and beat tougher Vikings at home.

That leaves wins over Saints and Falcons in London. Those are impressive wins. More impressive than 2013 Dallas and 2013 at Washington wins.

You are just wrong. The NFC south was one of the worst divisions of all time, second only to the NFC West in 2008. They went 10-29-1 outside the division and got out scored by a total of -227. (Lions were a +2 point differential vs. the NFC South)

 

[LKP]

You are just wrong. The NFC south was one of the worst divisions of all time, second only to the NFC West in 2008. They went 10-29-1 outside the division and got out scored by a total of -227. (Lions were a +2 point differential vs. the NFC South)

They played tough NFC North and AFC North. Saints and Falcons and Carolina were decent teams. Saints beat GB/Min, won at Pit and Falcons played GB tough and almost came back. They are much better teams than their records.

 

[tomdalton22]

They played tough NFC North and AFC North. Saints and Falcons and Carolina were decent teams. Saints beat GB/Min, won at Pit and Falcons played GB tough and almost came back. They are much better teams than their records.

That is where their point differential proves how bad they were.

 

[LKP]

That is where their point differential proves how bad they were.

No it doesn't. NFC South played some tough teams and Saints beat GB/Min and won at Pit. Saints is for sure a legit win. And we'll dispose of them again this year in their house.

Falcons have an explosive offense and got pretty lucky to get a big lead. Their defense was bad. This is also the game we didn't have any TEs (all 3), Calvin out, Bush out, Waddle was out, Fairley took a Suh to knee and we beat them dominating them in the second half 22-0. Fuller slipping on the int, somehow Vaughn not scoring on the pick and the call back on the Mathis pick 6 made it look closer than it actually was.It's an impressive win.

It's more impressive than alot of Cowboys or Seahawks wins. Replace at Falcons with at Rams in 2015 (all defense,no offense). Still a win for the Lions in 2015. San Fran (a complete mess) and Zona (lose Bowles and Cromartie) at Ford Field this time. Win win. 3-1 against the NFC full division this year too.

And 2-0 is likely against other NFC teams. Those same Saints (who you don't respect) and we get Philly at home on Thanksgiving.

And 5-1 in division again. That is 10-2 possible conference record coming up for Detroit. Say we drop one we shouldn't. 9-3.

3-1 or 4-0 can happen against AFC West too since we get Denver at home and KC neutral. We went 2-2 against AFC East but were at Pats and had kicking mess against Buffalo top 5 defense. 8-8 Miami and 9-7 Buffalo (defense with KC) are on par with 9-7s SD and KC. Lions can beat both of them on road and Oakland. That leaves Denver (which is at home now like going to Foxboro to play the 1st place team).

13-3 or 12-4.

 

[tomdalton22]

No it doesn't. NFC South played some tough teams and Saints beat GB/Min and won at Pit. Saints is for sure a legit win. And we'll dispose of them again this year in their house.

Falcons have an explosive offense and got pretty lucky to get a big lead. Their defense was bad. This is also the game we didn't have any TEs (all 3), Calvin out, Bush out, Waddle was out, Fairley took a Suh to knee and we beat them dominating them in the second half 22-0. Fuller slipping on the int, somehow Vaughn not scoring on the pick and the call back on the Mathis pick 6 made it look closer than it actually was.It's an impressive win.

It's more impressive than alot of Cowboys or Seahawks wins. Replace at Falcons with at Rams in 2015 (all defense,no offense). Still a win for the Lions in 2015. San Fran (a complete mess) and Zona (lose Bowles and Cromartie) at Ford Field this time. Win win. 3-1 against the NFC full division this year too.

And 2-0 is likely against other NFC teams. Those same Saints (who you don't respect) and we get Philly at home on Thanksgiving.

And 5-1 in division again. That is 10-2 possible conference record coming up for Detroit. Say we drop one we shouldn't. 9-3.

3-1 or 4-0 can happen against AFC West too since we get Denver at home and KC neutral. We went 2-2 against AFC East but were at Pats and had kicking mess against Buffalo top 5 defense. 8-8 Miami and 9-7 Buffalo (defense with KC) are on par with 9-7s SD and KC. Lions can beat both of them on road and Oakland. That leaves Denver (which is at home now like going to Foxboro to play the 1st place team).

13-3 or 12-4.

I'm done with you. It's like I am trying to talk rationally to a 3 year old!

 

[LKP]

Look at it another way since you thinkg NFC South is a mess

Any 7-9 team or worse is a mess

7 wins (sweep Min, sweep Chi, at NO, Oak, at Stl).

We beat a 8-8 team last year. Miami. So therefore we beat 8-8 San Fran (who are a complete mess),

We split with GB last year. Another win. Up to 9-1. And at GB is after a bye by the way.

That leaves the non division winning teams Denver, Arizona, Philly, at Seattle, KC neutral, at SD. 3 home, 1 neutral site and 2 road. You can find 2 or more wins there especially with only 2 true road games in 6. Four of these six games are in the first 5 weeks so the Lions should have some health too.

Detroit has the talent to do very well with this schedule.

 

[LKP]

I'm done with you. It's like I am trying to talk rationally to a 3 year old!

I'm the only logical one talking. You are just too dumb to understand. You lost the argument so now you are all of a sudden done. I get it. You can walk away with your tail between your legs now.

 

[LKP]

We have 3 true road games against teams over. 500 this year (at GB, at Sea, at SD). Same as last year (at GB, at Zona, at Pats)

But those teams are easier this year. at GB is weaker this year (they lost defense and were super healthy last year) (plus we get them off a bye and not Week 17), at Pats and at Seattle is about the same and at SD is much easier than at Arizona (defense).

Yes we have 4 over .500 opponent home games instead of 2. But we beat the toughest one last year in GB. We can beat GB, Denver, Arizona and Philly at home.

Neutral KC. 9-7 team with offensive especially Oline issues. We can beat them.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Something you're familiar with at an enormous clip...

 

[brewer229]

That's not a enormous clip this is a enormous clip.

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's not a enormous clip this is a enormous clip.

Touch?. You won a free popcorn kernal..

 

[tonyballs]

If it makes you feel better....yes

 

[cheeno]

www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5132/matthew-stafford

Stafford's accuracy has improved for the 12th offseason in a row! He's probably more accurate than Manning now.

 

[Mitchrapp]

"expect him to out do last years 60.3 completion rate." I sure hope so.

 

[LKP]

"expect him to out do last years 60.3 completion rate." I sure hope so.

Year 2 of offense. Better than 32% of the time under presssure. 2011 was only 24% for instance. Healthy weapons and Oline would be nice.

65% for Stafford this year.

 

[grandy]

Y7Stafford+ Y2(Lombardi+Ebron) = ?