Steelers loss

[LKP]

When did I say that. Can I just say you completely ignore his bad plays, oh WR 2 and 3 are out.

I didn't ignore anything. I gave you the complete picture. Good plays, who dropped what, the weather factor, who was missing. He had some misses. First half mainly, sorry he didn't score 50 in the first half. He had a lot of good throws too.

 

[LKP]

When you start adjusting for drops, throwaways, etc you are diving into a new realm of stats. You then need to start looking at if the throwaway was the correct play, why the dropped happened and a bunch if other factors

All I know based on what I saw at least 14 points were left on the field because of inaccuracte throws. At the end of the day even after the 97 yard drive the offense still had a chance to win the game and didn't get it done.

When you are paid as a to tier QB you are expected to perform like one. Stafford is not able to consistently show it, he needs to be better.

Stafford made 2 good plays down 3 after that long drive. The throw to Riddick and the throw to Ross. Should have been a first down with no need to try to attempt a deep bomb to Calvin in the first place. A play that worked early by the way in better weather conditions. Calvin fell down on the play and wasn't in the same positioin as he was on the TD earlier.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I didn't ignore anything. I gave you the complete picture. Good plays, who dropped what, the weather factor, who was missing. He had some misses. First half mainly, sorry he didn't score 50 in the first half. He had a lot of good throws too.

I didn't see a lot of good anything..not Sunday.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So now when Staff completes a pass to a wide open guy its considered a good play?

 

[LKP]

I didn't see a lot of good anything..not Sunday.

You should have. You just choose to ignore it.

Let's talk about how good the defense played in the 2nd and 3rd Quarter from Detroit. Two short fields from the Bush fumble and punt with steelers starting at Lions 45 and only 9 points given up. The long play to Le'Veon Bell was the lone big play given up.

 

[LKP]

So now when Staff completes a pass to a wide open guy its considered a good play?

By both players and the Oline for protection. Stafford great read to find the wide open guy too.

 

[Mitchrapp]

By both players and the Oline for protection. Stafford great read to find the wide open guy too.

QB are suppose to complete passes. I'm not going to give him credit for a 2 yard pass. Not when he had all day Sunday to throw the ball..

 

[tonyballs]

Its always counted as a pass attempt. And it wasn't like you having a different opinion on it because you thought it shouldn't count but because PFF says so. Is PFF your gospel?

im not even talking about PFF. to tell you the truth, ive never looked at those stats but they make sense to me. im just giving my opinion on the subject. a throw away shouldnt be a pass attempt because ummmm well its not a pass. pretty simple....

 

[brewer229]

Stafford made 2 good plays down 3 after that long drive. The throw to Riddick and the throw to Ross. Should have been a first down with no need to try to attempt a deep bomb to Calvin in the first place. A play that worked early by the way in better weather conditions. Calvin fell down on the play and wasn't in the same positioin as he was on the TD earlier.

The drop by Ross was bad. However the first bomb to Calvin wasn't a great throw it was underthrown.

There are multiple plays that lose a game. No one can deny there were very untimely poorly thrown balls.

I don't think weather was a big factor for throwing for stafford, he has the type of arm that should turn playin in bad weather to an advantage for the lions.

I like Stafford a lot, in fact if I'm starting a franchise he is either the second or third QB I would chose, but I'm not going to excuse a poor game. When you are looked at and paid as one of the top two players on your team more is expected of you. Against the steelers I don't feel he provided his worth.

I think Stafford can play consistently at a higher level, it's frustrating he hasn't takn his game to the elite level.

 

[LKP]

QB are suppose to complete passes. I'm not going to give him credit for a 2 yard pass. Not when he had all day Sunday to throw the ball..

WRs are supposed to catch balls and get open. Oline is supposed to protect to not cause a throw away.

 

[LKP]

The drop by Ross was bad. However the first bomb to Calvin wasn't a great throw it was underthrown.

There are multiple plays that lose a game. No one can deny there were very untimely poorly thrown balls.

I don't think weather was a big factor for throwing for stafford, he has the type of arm that should turn playin in bad weather to an advantage for the lions.

I like Stafford a lot, in fact if I'm starting a franchise he is either the second or third QB I would chose, but I'm not going to excuse a poor game. When you are looked at and paid as one of the top two players on your team more is expected of you. Against the steelers I don't feel he provided his worth.

I think Stafford can play consistently at a higher level, it's frustrating he hasn't takn his game to the elite level.

The first Calvin TD, Calvin was in a better spot and more open and didn't fall down. Agreed it was underthrown but still a good read and Stafford got it out there so Calvin could catch it. At worst Calvin should have been able to jump for that ball. The harder rain caused a worse throw.

 

[Mitchrapp]

im not even talking about PFF. to tell you the truth, ive never looked at those stats but they make sense to me. im just giving my opinion on the subject. a throw away shouldnt be a pass attempt because ummmm well its not a pass. pretty simple....

Then what else wasn't a pass attempt? Maybe when Staff is rushed and he throws it way it shouldn't be a pass attempt either..brilliant. Change the whole structure of the NFL.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The first Calvin TD, Calvin was in a better spot and more open and didn't fall down. Agreed it was underthrown but still a good read and Stafford got it out there so Calvin could catch it. At worst Calvin should have been able to jump for that ball. The harder rain caused a worse throw.

But when he made a good throw did the rain stop? How is he going to beat a team in January then in snow? Its obvious he's not very accurate in rain. You say that and I'm okay with it. But don't make excuses for him..

 

[grandy]

Based on what I've read over the last few pages, here are my observations

LKP

Mitch

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not quite that bad. Lol. I think the Oline has been excellent, I'm on the Bell train and we did well against the run on Sunday..

 

[LKP]

But when he made a good throw did the rain stop? How is he going to beat a team in January then in snow? Its obvious he's not very accurate in rain. You say that and I'm okay with it. But don't make excuses for him..

He's got the arm strength. Don't know on that particular throw why it was so off. Maybe the ball slipped on that particular throw. Calvin was not as open as the first one too with double coverage. Calvin kind of took himself out of the play and fell down too. Plus everyone else was covered so Stafford took a shot. that throw should never have happened if not for 2 drops. Stafford made plays on that drive is the point. Someone else let him down.

 

[LKP]

I'm not quite that bad. Lol. I think the Oline has been excellent, I'm on the Bell train and we did well against the run on Sunday..

Speaking of Bell. Do you think we win if he doesn't get hurt in the 4th Quarter. That slip by Bush on 2nd and 4 before the fake FG was pretty big. If they give it to Bell maybe he picks up the first down.

And how about the Quin injury missing most of the second half. Does that 97 yard drive happen with Quin in the game?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Speaking of Bell. Do you think we win if he doesn't get hurt in the 4th Quarter. That slip by Bush on 2nd and 4 before the fake FG was pretty big. If they give it to Bell maybe he picks up the first down.

And how about the Quin injury missing most of the second half. Does that 97 yard drive happen with Quin in the game?

No because they refuse to give it to the best back of the day. He was running better than Bush on Sunday and only got 9 carries. On a day when our passing was suspect. Even before he got hurt it was a no brainer that Bell should have had more than 9 touches..

Quinn isn't a world beater, 97 yard drives don't just stop when he's in there..I'm glad he's here but our defense has given up long drives before when Quinn was playing..

 

[grandy]

I'm actually curious to know how good the run defense actually is.

4.1 ypc against puts them right in the middle of the league (16th)

They're 5th in total rushing yards given up, but 2nd in carries against (230, Carolina in 1st at 220)

Are teams not rushing against the Lions because they can't? or because they don't need to?

A game-by-game breakdown of opponent rushing

1. Minnesota 22 car 105 yds (18 car 98 yds for Peterson) 31 pass plays 23:41 TOP
Minnesota was trailing for most of the 2nd half

2. Arizona 25 car 87 yds (23 car 89 yds from RBs) 41 pass plays 31:19 TOP
Arizona trailed in the 2nd half until the end

3. Washington 22 car 120 yds (15 car 73 yds from Morris) 52 pass plays 31:12 TOP
Washington was either tied or playing from behind most of the game. Morris did have a decent day, two big runs from Morris and RG3 made up about 50 of those yards

4. Chicago 16 car 131 yds (14 car 95 yds from Forte) 50 pass plays 28:11 TOP
Detroit had a comfortable lead from the mid 2nd quarter and on, more than half of Chicago's rushing yards were from chunk plays

5. Green Bay 33 car 180 yds (26 car 100 yds from RBs) 31 pass plays 32:19 TOP
GB scored first and never gave up the lead, a big chunk came from Cobb's 67 yard run

6. Cleveland 21 car 126 yds (16 car 61 yds from RBs) 45 pass plays 26:31 TOP
Cleveland held a lead through the 3rd quarter, a big chunk came from Benjamin's 45 yard run

7. Cincinnati 18 car 57 yds (17 car 51 yds from RBs) 35 pass plays 25:59 TOP
Was back and forth most of the game, with Dalton's play that day, they didn't really need to run so the smaller number of carries is understandable

8. Dallas 26 car 62 yds (21 car 50 yds from RBs) 30 pass plays 24:49 TOP
Dallas held a lead after the half til losing it at the end, fair to say they were ineffective in the rushing department

9. Chicago 20 car 38 yds (17 car 33 yds from Forte) 51 pass plays 31:35 TOP
Chicago trailed most of the game

10. Pittsburgh 27 car 40 yds (20 car 36 yds from RBs) 46 pass plays 32:16 TOP
Pittsburgh held a big lead early then lost it, then held a sizable lead late


Excluding runs from QBs and WRs on funky designed plays, the rush defense wasn't anything special in the first handful of games, however they've been much better lately.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Probably a little of both, Grandy. Then you have the long runs we've given up that skews the numbers.

Personally I think they're solid but if I'm an opposing coach I'd pass on us all day.