Suh suitors

[cheeno]

Redeems himself? How by cutting some guys and have no way to pay replacements..

Off the top of my head. Pettigrew, Bush, Tulloch. How much is that?

 

[biggunsbob]

In football I don't think you're ever in a win now mode. Maybe a GM but as far as the players, and the cap - you keep on getting guys. It's football not baseball.

The guy made a point to ay most of the key players for the lions other then Suh are under contract. The window is now...

 

[biggunsbob]

Off the top of my head. Pettigrew, Bush, Tulloch. How much is that?

Ross

 

[biggunsbob]

There is little more then 9 million cap hit regardless if he is on the team. Franchise would be around 27. So 36 total.

Other players were structured lower this year to absorb the big suh 22 million hit. There is no way we can franchise him.

Just will not happen, he is wrong. Simple as that. I'm willing to bet anything with anyone, that's how confident I am.

He made a point saying that NFL is raising the cap 10 million... That is how it works..
listen to it then explain.I am pretty sure he knows as much as some on here..

 

[Mitchrapp]

The guy made a point to ay most of the key players for the lions other then Suh are under contract. The window is now...

If you draft well you can be good for awhile. And find replacements. I don't think you sign a guy 27m and certainly not a DT.

Want to blame anyone for him not being here blame Mayhew.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He made a point saying that NFL is raising the cap 10 million... That is how it works..
listen to it then explain.I am pretty sure he knows as much as some on here..

Cap could be 200. You don't sign a DT for that. Add the fact we still can't beat anyone good and that's with Suh.

 

[inkfreq]

Can't lie.. I'd be happy to have him back.

I'd also be happy to see him go and use that money for a big overhaul.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Can't lie.. I'd be happy to have him back.

I'd also be happy to see him go and use that money for a big overhaul.

Way to be bold :nod:

 

[biggunsbob]

Team is closer then we all think.... they just have to find a way to get the F-ixed league on our side.. Or just embrace the black darkness and crush teams... I feel the defense needs Suh... All the youngers guys are under contract.. Draft a few linemen hope Big E. The difference maker becomes that.. a lot of the core is under contract...few guys here and here we can make a run ..

Lions need to change to all black and stripe Honolulu blue uniforms..
Fuck the N.Fixed.L..
Build a defense to shut teams out...Need Suh for that...

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybe Suh needs to be gone before the refs get on our side..

 

[sggatecl]

In football I don't think you're ever in a win now mode. Maybe a GM but as far as the players, and the cap - you keep on getting guys. It's football not baseball.

I feel like the Patriots have been in 'win now' mode since I was in high school.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I feel like the Patriots have been in 'win now' mode since I was in high school.

No kidding..

 

[elrod817]

Maybe Suh needs to be gone before the refs get on our side..

We've been getting screwed before Suh. The Ford's had to have done something to piss off the NFL. He buys them the day Kennedy gets assassinated and we've been shit on since.

 

[brewer229]

He made a point saying that NFL is raising the cap 10 million... That is how it works..
listen to it then explain.I am pretty sure he knows as much as some on here..

I heard his comment, just doesn't make sense.

We have $120m committed to next year. Cap this year was 133m, I heard it was going to be around 140, but lets assume 10m more.

So cap for 2015 is 143m.

If you franchise Suh you are at 146m, still 3m over, with only 41 players signed. You can cut Tulloch and Bush, but that only saves 5 million. So even then you are only 2 million under the high projected cap number with 39 players signed.

You would have to restructure guys like Stafford and CJ, but that would kill you in future years and tie you even longer to them. And still won't be able to sign anyone. It would even be tough to get our rookies signed.

The situation can be worked out if you sign him to a long term deal, but franchising him is not an option. Still don't think signing him to market value contract is the right move, but that is our only option if they are set on keeping him.

 

[brewer229]

I feel like the Patriots have been in 'win now' mode since I was in high school.

Amazing what a Coach and QB can do huh. If only the lions could figure that out, but we prefer WRs and DTs.

Note: I do love CJ and Suh, but I would get rid of both in a second for a franchise QB.

 

[zyxt9]

But, but, but....Stafford IS the franchise QB!!! Just like Wayne Fontes is the winningest coach in Lions history despite being under .500, Stafford is the Lions all time QB leader in numerous stats despite a sub .500 record and zero playoff wins. The Lions just have a different definition of "Greatness".

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

It would be useful to understand that most teams use the franchise tag in order to then extend the player for multiple seasons. Even if we franchise Suh, it doesn't guarantee he actually plays out a 27 million or whatever cap hit. It makes more sense to Suh to take a 6 year 100 million contract (16.6 million per year) with big guaranteed money up front. Every year he plays on the franchise tag is a year closer to the point where teams won't want to lock up long term money, plus the risk of serious injury (think how much Fairley likely lost just from Suh falling on him).

Now, even if you feel 16 million is too much for a DT, it still matters that the cap hit goes down significantly. People keep talking about using that money on other players, but that is inherently a two-way street. Free agents are almost always overpaid (and that would certainly be the case for anyone we use the money on). We can't just look at contracts and say the Suh money could be used to pick up that perfect mix of lesser paid veterans. The fact is Suh is the most important player on our defense by a pretty wide margin. The fact is our defense carried our team to the playoffs this year. I would much rather bite the bullet and keep Suh than let him walk in the off chance there's a perfect mix of veterans waiting to take bargain contracts to come to Detroit.

 

[brewer229]

It would be useful to understand that most teams use the franchise tag in order to then extend the player for multiple seasons. Even if we franchise Suh, it doesn't guarantee he actually plays out a 27 million or whatever cap hit. It makes more sense to Suh to take a 6 year 100 million contract (16.6 million per year) with big guaranteed money up front. Every year he plays on the franchise tag is a year closer to the point where teams won't want to lock up long term money, plus the risk of serious injury (think how much Fairley likely lost just from Suh falling on him).

Now, even if you feel 16 million is too much for a DT, it still matters that the cap hit goes down significantly. People keep talking about using that money on other players, but that is inherently a two-way street. Free agents are almost always overpaid (and that would certainly be the case for anyone we use the money on). We can't just look at contracts and say the Suh money could be used to pick up that perfect mix of lesser paid veterans. The fact is Suh is the most important player on our defense by a pretty wide margin. The fact is our defense carried our team to the playoffs this year. I would much rather bite the bullet and keep Suh than let him walk in the off chance there's a perfect mix of veterans waiting to take bargain contracts to come to Detroit.

The problem is 27 million is a lot of money for one year. That is 100% guaranteed. Even if he gets injured next year he would get a big contract the following year, he is that good, and has a history of health.

Say we give him more than McCoy, 6 Year 100m. With 60 guaranteed, which is a crazy amount of money, That's "only" 33 million more guaranteed than he can get in a one year contract. Even with injury you don't think Suh would be able to get a 5 year 33 million guarantee contract in 2016?

Also, typically the franchise tag gives the team leverage, that does not happen here. Suh and his agent know the Lions can't afford 27 million, so they have them over a barrel, they can ask for whatever they want, and Lions would have to give it to them.

Franchise Tag is the worst possible idea for the Lions. Lions are far better off letting him walk and taking the 3rd round comp pick for him, then they are franchising him.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Your are right brewer in that Suh would have far more leverage than the average franchised player. But while the risk is still low, it exists that Suh could have a career ending injury at any point next year and wipe away all future compensation.

Also, this is the same contract he is likely to get from any other team. If it's truly about the money and nothing else, then Suh's agent should have no problem taking the longer contract. Agents get paid based on what their agents get, and we've just seen Suh has no problem firing an agent. Agents have incentive to take the bigger long term contract as well.

 

[biggunsbob]

My opinion the team is better with Suh and Calvin then they are without... Just because you add 2-5 players for these guys does not mean the production will be any better... There just is not many depth guys out there.. I mean look at out drop-off in play when just a few guys on defense were out in the rigged game Sunday...
You take these two guys away from the Lions good luck winning 8 or 9 games... Lions are just not lucky enough to get a franchise QB like the Colts are... Hope you guys are right if they let Suh walk... Tough damn pill to swallow just getting 3rd round pick for a guy who may dominate the NFL for the next 5 years.. I always remember the Giants beating a better team in NE in the super Bowl because of a great D-line