The Ebron Pick

[biggunsbob]

I was watching a Piston game and The difference maker was at it and after the game he was standing next to Drummond.. Holy crap he looked small next to the free throw clanker.

 

[dubbsco]

Sure hindsight is 20/20, but it's up to the GM and the rest of the front office to know what the hell is going on. If they had some idea that Suh and Fairley MAY leave, it might be in their best interest to draft another DT in case they did, and not a freaking WR/TE match up nightmare/Jimmy Graham clone (even though he said don't compare me to him).

Seems that they thought no way Suh would leave, loves Detroit, would offer him a good deal. Instead, they made an absolute mess of the situation, and that's why they are the Lions.

 

[mhughes0021]

Hindsight is 20/20. What a beautiful thing it is.

Its not hindsight dude....even a moron like you had like 20 posts painting a perfectly clear picture of what we'd get if we drafted him. So ya....mayhew is dumber than morons.

 

[mhughes0021]

I love how we have to create some kind of Bizzaro universe scenario where Mayhew actually got a pick right to highlight how bad someone is for always saying he is wrong.

Doh lol...this shit is funny....and accurate.

 

[LKP]

Its not hindsight dude....even a moron like you had like 20 posts painting a perfectly clear picture of what we'd get if we drafted him. So ya....mayhew is dumber than morons.

11-5. You would go 0-16 every year hughes as GM. Leave the football moves to the big boys like Mayhew.

 

[inkfreq]

11-5. You would go 0-16 every year hughes as GM. Leave the football moves to the big boys like Mayhew.

I don't know why but that image cracked me up. I would love to see Hughes pitch to a free agent if he were GM.

"So, this is Detroit. We suck. Our coaches suck. Our owners sucks. We haven't made a good draft pick in years, and we're not going to start now. This team has a complete losing history, and we are NOT about to break the bank for the crappy talent that would be willing to play here... and we'd love to have you join our team, what'ya say?"

 

[dubbsco]

Tell you what, if the Lions don't win a playoff game this year, I think those big boys making the decisions need to be wiped from the office.

The way that the Suh thing was handled could be the last straw if the team doesn't do much this year.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Tell you what, if the Lions don't win a playoff game this year, I think those big boys making the decisions need to be wiped from the office.

The way that the Suh thing was handled could be the last straw if the team doesn't do much this year.

Was the Suh situation mishandled if he just didn't want to be a Lion anymore?

 

[inkfreq]

Was the Suh situation mishandled if he just didn't want to be a Lion anymore?

It was mishandled. If not for all the restructuring, they could have afforded a comfortable franchise tag... which would have paid him a lot of money to stay one more year.

It was mishandled by not preparing for the departure earlier.

It was mishandled by taking talks off the table.

In the end, it was also inevitable. It's mox-nix.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah it was. Get the maximum value from the guy when you can. They didn't get a draft pick from him.

They should have had SOME idea that he didn't want to return. But the entire time they were selling the "We got this, don't worry about it. We'll get it done."

 

[grandy]

But Mayhew said Suh wanted to be here

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...08/lions-gm-martin-mayhew-suh-wants/21455439/

 

[dubbsco]

It was a lot of smooth talking when Mayhew actually spoke (once in a blue moon). Told us not to worry, he likes us, we like him, it'll happen.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

It was mishandled. If not for all the restructuring, they could have afforded a comfortable franchise tag... which would have paid him a lot of money to stay one more year.

I'll agree with this portion. However, without the restructures we wouldn't have had the cap space to make a couple important FA signings......including Quin, Ihedigbo and Bush. (Not saying ALL of them....)

But yes, without restructuring his deal multiple times.....he would be franchised right now.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

But Mayhew said Suh wanted to be here

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...08/lions-gm-martin-mayhew-suh-wants/21455439/

Suh was also quoted as saying he would agree to a deal that made him the highest paid defensive player in the game....which the Lions offered.

In the end......IMO......he just didn't want to be in Detroit anymore. Period. Mismanaged or not, the franchise tag was the only thing that would have kept him in the D.

Again, my opinion.

 

[zyxt9]

Was the Suh situation mishandled if he just didn't want to be a Lion anymore?

Maybe it needs to be spelled out for you...

E...B...R...O...N

Best case scenario for keeping Suh was going to be a monster contract. In that scenario, you don't keep an oft injured Fairley, you instead have AD in the bullpen with a rookie year learning from Suh and Fairley while getting solid reps to learn the game, and even start when Fairley inevitably is injured. In this way, you are being proactive about the future because, as GM, you understand the monster contract awaiting Suh if he stays and have a DT under a rookie cap contract to balance that, or if the worst case happens and both Suh and Fairley leave you have at least one R1 pick still in house at DT.

Granted there is always the possibility a pick will not be successful, but at least you are providing a legitimate observation of what is needed for the team's future, which means YOUR future because if the team does not win your ass is out the door. You already re-signed Pettigrew and if you are really wanting a TE, there are guys in later rounds you can pick up. Plus Fauria is not the worst TE in history.

Even if he picked OBJ as insurance for the future projection that CJ is peaking so you need to start grooming his replacement, that would have been something.

But EBRON? WTF?????? Simply because your OC who is in his first year as an OC says he needs him? That is the absolutely most retarded aspect of the entire thing, that they would listen to Lombardi and give him his wish. Why not Austin? Why not Caldwell? Why not be the GM and tell all of them that this team is selecting X because he is a difference maker and insurance for the future.

Having two R1 TEs is the dumbest thing EVER. E-V-E-R. Not sure how much more this needs to be rehashed. It was a stupid pick then, and it will be Mayhew's downfall more than not being able to keep Suh who didn't want to be here anyway. Either OBJ or AD, either pick would have provided something to say Mayhew understands the team and what is happening. Ebron means he is a fucking clueless tool.

Then there is the aspect of not being able to draft well enough or be good enough as a management group to retain two entire classes from back to back years worth of draft picks. Seriously????? How often does that happen within 5 years of those classes being selected? Well, if you suck at drafting and negotiating contracts in FA, apparently it can happen. INEXCUSABLE=TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT=MAYHEW.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Miami offered him 2 million dollars a year more than Detroit, 12 million overall, in a state with no income tax. This tells me absolutely nothing about whether he liked Detroit or not. This tells me nothing about whether he liked the team or not.

12 million dollars is a huge deal. Miami has a lot better weather than Michigan. Even if he did like the Lions better than the Dolphins, the Lions didn't step up to the plate. If we hear a report that Mayhew matched Miami's offer and Suh still left, then I'll accept he just wanted out. But until that point, quick b***hing like Suh owes the team anything. Loyalty goes both ways, or it doesn't matter at all.

 

[inkfreq]

Miami offered him 2 million dollars a year more than Detroit, 12 million overall, in a state with no income tax. This tells me absolutely nothing about whether he liked Detroit or not. This tells me nothing about whether he liked the team or not.

12 million dollars is a huge deal. Miami has a lot better weather than Michigan. Even if he did like the Lions better than the Dolphins, the Lions didn't step up to the plate. If we hear a report that Mayhew matched Miami's offer and Suh still left, then I'll accept he just wanted out. But until that point, quick b***hing like Suh owes the team anything. Loyalty goes both ways, or it doesn't matter at all.

The failing there is that you can't match the income tax. In his bracket and based on the figures reported it's going to be in the 20-25 million dollar range.

Remember you can shelter a lot of federal taxes. Hell, smart accountants can get a guy making Suh kind of money a refund if they do things right.

But state taxes are straight income tax. Breaks are hard to find and when you do its like hundreds not millions.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

The failing there is that you can't match the income tax. In his bracket and based on the figures reported it's going to be in the 20-25 million dollar range.

Remember you can shelter a lot of federal taxes. Hell, smart accountants can get a guy making Suh kind of money a refund if they do things right.

But state taxes are straight income tax. Breaks are hard to find and when you do its like hundreds not millions.

That's exactly my point. Suh would be giving up a huge amount to stay with Detroit. Even if he loved the city and team, it would be dumb to be throwing away tens of millions of dollars. He's only going to be playing football for another 5-10 years anyway.

 

[inkfreq]

That's exactly my point. Suh would be giving up a huge amount to stay with Detroit. Even if he loved the city and team, it would be dumb to be throwing away tens of millions of dollars. He's only going to be playing football for another 5-10 years anyway.

I agree with you. He would have been insane to stay in Detroit given the difference in his bottom line even if the terms of the offers were identical.

These guys have a limited time to make all the coin they can, and then hope they don't spend their life crippled up like Jim Brown and so many others.

The game they play will take a long term toll on them, and the money they make doing it is the only consolation most of them get. I say take all the cash you can, and live as comfortably as your body will allow when you're done.

 

[dubbsco]

Just heard this on 105.1. The top ten teams combined don't have as much dead cap as Detroit.