The Official Minnesota vs ][V][ichigan Game Thread

[byco42]

Didn't see that, can't comment. I thought he was talking about the one that knocked him out of the game

Were this Connor Cook and Bolden in either instance, would you concede as easily that "football is a rough sport?"

 

[Spartanmack]

Two wrongs ...

I wasn't trying to make anything right - just having a little fun.

You're a douchebag who has no vested interest in this game, yet here you are commenting on it. You're a troll and a fucking idiot.

I probably had more of a vested interest than you. Not only do I like and root for michigan but I took them giving the points. As for you, you're just one of the idiot trolls who knows nothing about football. I couldn't care less what you think about me. Go whine to Bob.

 

[byco42]

I wasn't trying to make anything right - just having a little fun.

Seems like a waste of time to me to go to an oppo board and post obscure smack, but no one posts on the State board by comparison so maybe that's why. Still cannot grasp the idea of being a fan of both teams and programs.

 

[Spartanmack]

Seems like a waste of time to me to go to an oppo board and post obscure smack, but no one posts on the State board by comparison so maybe that's why. Still cannot grasp the idea of being a fan of both teams and programs.

Just hanging out watching the game - time was already being spent unproductively. As for liking both teams, I have two wolverine siblings and lots of wolverine friends. I'm happy to see them do well when they're not playing MSU. I understand being indifferent to one or the other but I don't buy into most of the partisan bickering. Fans of one team who hate the other team's coach or think the opposing fan base is less "classy" are partisan hacks just looking for a reason to hate something. They're the ones wasting their time.

 

[byco42]

Just hanging out watching the game - time was already being spent unproductively. As for liking both teams, I have two wolverine siblings and lots of wolverine friends. I'm happy to see them do well when they're not playing MSU. I understand being indifferent to one or the other but I don't buy into most of the partisan bickering. Fans of one team who hate the other team's coach or think the opposing fan base is less "classy" are partisan hacks just looking for a reason to hate something. They're the ones wasting their time.

I have expressed that I have no interest in MSU other than when it plays Michigan. My experience is that MSU fans as a general rule delight in seeing Michigan falter. That is the ethos I have perceived.

 

[Spartanmack]

I have expressed that I have no interest in MSU other than when it plays Michigan. My experience is that MSU fans as a general rule delight in seeing Michigan falter. That is the ethos I have perceived.

I don't deny that exists. It definitely does. But the reverse exists among the uofm fan base in equal measure. I see it in strangers at either stadium and on message boards but my family and most friends that are uofm fans feel the same way about MSU as I do about uofm. It's a very friendly rivalry for us. Intense when we play each other, gracious in victory and defeat (eventually at least) and then hope the other team does well the rest of the season.

 

[allshouldbleedblue]

the first two were obviously short, I don't know what exactly was being reviewed on the 3rd. they gave the FB about 8 seconds on the goal line and never ruled forward progress stopped. I think they were reviewing if he got in or not, I don't think they could review forward progress. Also, Smith was pushing him into the end zone, which should have been a flag, but that wasn't reviewable. at least it didn't impact the outcome of the game.

Just a heads up, Smith can push him into the end zone. They changed that rule the year after the "Bush Push" against Notre Dame. Where have you been?

 

[TheVictors]

It's not remotely close to equal measure.


Not remotely.

Just take sbee. His entire life as a spartan has more to do with UM than many of my alumni friends who don't follow football.

Frankly it's weird. Very weird.

 

[zyxt9]

the rule is completely flawed. it seems that the initial writing was done in an attempt to have zero exceptions, but then the reality of in game play got into the administration of the rule. if a guy is blocked into the player and the result is helmet to helmet, well that definitely should not be considered targeting because the player was not intentionally hitting the guy in the helmet. a QB might duck or slide at the very last moment, does that mean the defender should be responsible for changing the laws of physics and magically avoid contacting the helmet? what if the QB is the actual initiating participant?

so much of the rule's original intent has become personal judgment of the refs that it has degraded the rule. they'd be better off eliminating the part about automatically ejecting and make that a possible add on if there is irrefutable evidence of intent to injure. that would result in about 95+% of the calls becoming personal fouls but the defender stays in the game. the ejection should only be applied when it is an obviously intentional and overly brutal hit. the hit on rudock was not obviously intentional due to rudock's slide changing where the defender hit him as the defender was initially targeting his body correctly. it should have been a personal foul for the hit to the head and ripping off the helmet, but I cannot say he deserved to be suspended. it seemed like his intent was to make a legit tackle, but the result from rudock's slide coupled with the other defender hitting rudock added to the end result. it was still a pretty vicious hit though and the fact no personal foul was administered was in itself incredibly unacceptable.

 

[TheVictors]

It's fucking football you nancies

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't deny that exists. It definitely does. But the reverse exists among the uofm fan base in equal measure.

You think it's equal?

I don't.

 

[Spartanmack]

You think it's equal?

I don't.

That's fine. I don't really care if it's not precisely equal - it's close enough. There are plenty of jerks in either fan base.

 

[zyxt9]

It's fucking football you nancies

yeah, but ripping a guy's helmet off and him having a resulting injury...when was the last time that was considered an acceptable type of tackle??? the 1950s? 60s maybe???

defender is responsible for knowing what he has grabbed. facemask penalty is a perfect example. brush your hand across and don't pull, no foul. grab it and pull, PF. how this was not a PF is beyond me.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That's fine. I don't really care if it's not precisely equal - it's close enough. There are plenty of jerks in either fan base.

I don't think it's close either. These things change with how successful rivals are in general and against each other. You have a spectrum of fan reactions of course, but there comes a point, when one side of a rivalry is down, where you start hearing big parts of the rival on the winning side pulling for the rival that's down to get their program back in order. We all saw, clear as day, pre-Harbaugh, the stark difference between Ohio State and Michigan State takes on Michigan. Tons of Buckeyes wanted Michigan to be back and were hoping that we'd get Harbaugh. The Spartans were exactly the opposite. They don't want us back, they didn't want us to get Harbaugh, and when we got him, they said he would fail, piss people off until we fired him, or leave. It's a unique degree of wanting another team to fail that we don't remotely feel to a mutual degree.

 

[dubbsco]

I don't think it's even close Spartan. The 31 page thread of the Michigan v Minnesota thread, and the 500+ thread about Michigan hitting rock bottom on RCMB says otherwise.

 

[Sbee]

Were this Connor Cook and Bolden in either instance, would you concede as easily that "football is a rough sport?"

I guess you're assuming the plays were identical, they weren't. There are two conditions that constitute targeting, one is that the player leads with the crown of his helmet. that obvisouly didn't happen, the defender made contact with the facemask, he didn't lead with the crown. The other situation is if the defender makes contact with the head or neck of a defenseless player, #99 had engaged Rudock at or close to the moment that he began his slide, he was not a defenseless player by definition.

 

[TheVictors]

yeah, but ripping a guy's helmet off and him having a resulting injury...when was the last time that was considered an acceptable type of tackle??? the 1950s? 60s maybe???

defender is responsible for knowing what he has grabbed. facemask penalty is a perfect example. brush your hand across and don't pull, no foul. grab it and pull, PF. how this was not a PF is beyond me.

you sound a little hysterical

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't think it's close either. These things change with how successful rivals are in general and against each other. You have a spectrum of fan reactions of course, but there comes a point, when one side of a rivalry is down, where you start hearing big parts of the rival on the winning side pulling for the rival that's down to get their program back in order. We all saw, clear as day, pre-Harbaugh, the stark difference between Ohio State and Michigan State takes on Michigan. Tons of Buckeyes wanted Michigan to be back and were hoping that we'd get Harbaugh. The Spartans were exactly the opposite. They don't want us back, they didn't want us to get Harbaugh, and when we got him, they said he would fail, piss people off until we fired him, or leave. It's a unique degree of wanting another team to fail that we don't remotely feel to a mutual degree.

That's anecdotal and it doesn't apply to me or the overwhelming majority of MSU fans I know personally (also anecdotal, but it's not my point). I don't really care if it's equal or how close to equal it is. There is a large contingency of fans of uofm that are jerks and there are a large contingency of MSU fans that are jerks. I think in both cases, it's a minority but it's big enough.

The argument itself - that one fan base has a larger % of jerks - is just more partisan bickering. It's a waste of time and doesn't change the fact that I like both programs and the majority of people I know on each side feel similarly.

 

[Sbee]

It's not remotely close to equal measure.


Not remotely.

Just take sbee. His entire life as a spartan has more to do with UM than many of my alumni friends who don't follow football.

Frankly it's weird. Very weird.

I guess I do pay attention more to Michigan football than your friends who don't follow football. Is that some kind of insult?

 

[Gulo Blue]

That's anecdotal and it doesn't apply to me or the overwhelming majority of MSU fans I know personally (also anecdotal, but it's not my point). I don't really care if it's equal or how close to equal it is. There is a large contingency of fans of uofm that are jerks and there are a large contingency of MSU fans that are jerks. I think in both cases, it's a minority but it's big enough.

The argument itself - that one fan base has a larger % of jerks - is just more partisan bickering. It's a waste of time and doesn't change the fact that I like both programs and the majority of people I know on each side feel similarly.

I didn't realize that's what the argument was...just how many jerks are on each side. I'm not making any claims about that.

But if the argument is about which fanbase has a higher % hoping the other fanbase will fail/enjoying it when they do, I think that's pretty clear cut.

It's not a function of our pro-Michigan bias that we see MSU and OSU reacting very differently to things in the past year.