Tigers aren't getting Choo, okay already?

[pr0tege]

Talks of Choo wanting a 7th year guaranteed now is a little scary to say the least. Amazing last week the market was around 6/110 and now can be in the 7/135-140 range.

 

[spockmaster]

Yeah, thats a little ridiculous. i would have been moderately ok with a 6 year deal as the max, but 7 is just too much for someone who is gonna be 38 when that contract finishes. im not quite as worried about him aging as i would be some other players (*coughellsburycough*) because on-base skills generally age well and he can always DH when his defense deteriorates more, but damn. 7 years is just too long period. 5 years is probably the most i feel comfortable with with any player.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So in 3 years you trade him.

 

[Doak37]

Bad contracts are bad contracts. There's no use throwing a ridiculous amount of money/length at a free agent who's on the wrong of 30. These types of players have already played their best ball, and we'd be crippling our future success if we were to bite on this. I say no to Choo unless the deal is three years or less.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 Years Away (Average yearly salary, age)

Morse (FA/32) 100.6 RC/650 .285 BAVG .329 OBP .524 SLG .853 OPS 21.9 PA/BB 17.4 PA/HR

Granderson ($15 Mil, 33) 95.4 RC/650 .237 BAVG .333 OBP .482 SLG .815 OPS 9.0 PA/BB 20.1 PA/HR

Ellsbury ($22 Mil, 30) 95.2 RC/650 .293 BAVG .354 OBP .437 SLG .791 OPS 13.3 PA/BB 38.4 PA/HR

Choo (FA, 31) 91.7 RC/650 .264 BAVG .372 OBP .406 SLG .778 OPS 8.2 PA/BB 45.0 PA/HR

Beltran ($15 Mil, 36) 90.4 RC/650 .277 BAVG .347 OBP .458 SLG .805 OPS 11.6 PA/BB 29.2 PA/HR

Hunter ($13 Mil, 38) 81.1 RC/650 .275 BAVG .328 OBP .423 SLG .751 OPS 14.4 PA/BB 36.5 PA/HR


AVG AL LF 77.4 RC/650 .254 BAVG .317 OBP .409 SLG .726 OPS 13.6 PA/BB 35.5 PA/HR


C. Young ($7.25 Mil, 30) 75.9 RC/650 .219 BAVG .316 OBP .404 SLG .720 OPS 8.5 PA/BB 30.4 PA/HR

N. Cruz (FA, 33) 75.9 RC/650 .247 BAVG .299 OBP .432 SLG .731 OPS 17.0 PA/BB 26.8 PA/HR

C. Hart (FA, 32) 73.8 RC/650 .246 BAVG .316 OBP .406 SLG .722 OPS 13.9 PA/BB 34.6 PA/HR

AL AVG 2B 73.2 RC/650 .260 BAVG .319 OBP .386 SLG .705 OPS 13.9 PA/BB 52.0 PA/HR

F. Gutierrez (FA, 31) 72.3 RC/650 .265 BAVG .299 OBP .400 SLG .699 OPS 22.1 PA/BB 47.3 PA/HR

A. Dirks (28) 71.0 RC/650 .255 BAVG .315 OBP .374 SLG .689 OPS 15.1 PA/BB 56.2 PA/HR

J. Rivera (FA, 35) 70.6 RC/650 .270 BAVG .325 OBP .385 SLG .710 OPS 13.6 PA/BB 53.0 PA/HR


D. Young (FA, 28) 69.9 RC/650 .269 BAVG .309 OBP .397 SLG .706 OPS 21.3 PA/BB 36.5 PA/HR

Francoeur (FA, 30) 69.1 RC/650 .249 BAVG .293 OBP .409 SLG .702 OPS 21.7 PA/BB 36.4 PA/HR


Kinsler ($23 Mil, 31) 68.7 RC/650 .231 BAVG .303 OBP .387 SLG .690 OPS 12.6 PA/BB 35.6 PA/HR

McLouth ($5.4 Mil, 32) 68.7 RC/650 .232 BAVG .313 OBP .355 SLG .668 OPS 10.5 PA/BB 76.1 PA/BB

D. Murphy ($6 Mil, 32) 66.9 RC/650 .248 BAVG .319 OBP .371 SLG .690 OPS 12.1 PA/BB 49.4 PA/BB

D. DeJesus ($5.3 Mil, 33) 66.3 RC/650 .232 BAVG .308 OBP .365 SLG .672 OPS 12.8 PA/BB 52.1 PA/BB


Raja Davis (FA, 33) 59.0 RC/650 .245 BAVG .289 OBP .331 SLG .620 OPS 21.9 PA/BB 99.0 PA/BB


Starting with Delmon Young and below, there isn't a single player I want on the Tigers. There is no difference between Delmon and Francoeur, except Francoeur can play defense and has significantly more speed.

And for some of you, Dirks is actually better than some that have signed recently.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm sure its similar with other players but 3 years away on Dirks can be a bit misleading because he was much better in 2012 than in 2013. So if Dirks hits like he did last season then the list of guys I rather have over him increases.

 

[lonesometiger]

Talks of Choo wanting a 7th year guaranteed now is a little scary to say the least. Amazing last week the market was around 6/110 and now can be in the 7/135-140 range.

No Granderson, No Ellsbury, No Beltran,= less supply more demand=he who waits pays more in the end. Right now the Tigers are going to pay more by not being able to compete in the playoffs with lesser talent.
The real problem for the Tigers is replacing 3 starters Fielder runs 82 Hr 24 rbi 106; Peralta,50,11,55;Inante,54,10,51= runs 186,23% of all runs. that's almost 1/4 of the offense. 45 homeruns =25% again right at 1/4; 212 RBi's 27.6% of the 767. One player is not going to replace all of that!
And asking the players that are going to replace them is asking quite a lot. Like I've said before Cabrera is going to haft to have a HOF season.

 

[kalinecountry]

Imo, with the players let go, on offense and Fister traded and Benoit not coming back, the Tigers have fallen back to the pack in the Central.
DD has to make a trade for a 7th/8th inning established reliever and get a LF in trade at the winter meetings.....or it will be difficult to repeat. I don't think they really want to sign Choo at 6/7 years. Looking more like he has to trade....but the farm has slim pickings to offer.

 

[pr0tege]

Yeah this offseason has been questionable to say the least. Still shaking my head with turning down the Veras option especially given the prices relievers are signing for. Also the Fister trade that didn't fill any of our team holes and basically weakened the starting rotation and the bullpen as well with moving Smyly into the rotation. Then we do make a great signing in Nathan (at least contract wise) but if we stand pat right now this is going to be a long season for sure.

 

[pr0tege]

I guess a little verification to what I have been saying about the Choo contract demands.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/...oo.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[pr0tege]

Reportadly turned down a 7 year 140M contract offer from the Yankees. Looks to be asking for basically the same contract as Ellsbury now.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/choo-turned-down-seven-year-offer-from-yankees.html

 

[Thundercats]

Choo to Texas. Looks like nobody will contend with them. Hell, the Tigers probably wont even finish top two in their own division.

 

[UMRules06]

Choo to Texas. Looks like nobody will contend with them. Hell, the Tigers probably wont even finish top two in their own division.

Maybe, but that's what people kept saying about the Angels too after they signed Pujols and Hamilton. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see the Athletics take the AL West again.

 

[Mitchrapp]

This was a good sign for Texas.

 

[mhughes0021]

That's a worse deal than the Cano deal. Choo is way over priced.

 

[Thumb]

I wonder if Texas realizes that Choo could be called to active military service in Korea if the situation there gets much worse between North and South.

Not likely to happen, but he was already given his deferment once.

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's a worse deal than the Cano deal. Choo is way over priced.

No it isn't. If my math is correct Cano cost almost twice as much and he'll be well into his 40s when the contract runs out.

 

[tigerfan2272]

Ridiculously overpriced and how does the Rangers signing Choo make us lucky to get to 2 in our division? You people are ridiculous

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ridiculously overpriced and how does the Rangers signing Choo make us lucky to get to 2 in our division? You people are ridiculous

Clarify boy.

 

[tigerfan2272]

The Tigers could sign Clayton Kershaw for a dollar and Don Kelly and you all would whine about it at this point