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Tigers FO thread, Scott Harris Pres. of Baseball Ops,Tigers Hire Jeff Greenberg GM

I have made numerous disapraging comments about the Harris regime..I will compliment them about one big thing..Scott Harris isn't gonna lose 98 games and shrug his shoulder about it..like Al Avila did for 7 years..perform..or get demoted..thats the message and I like it.

The the demotion of Turnbull to TOL..it will be interesting how Hinch and Harris navigate the rotation for the next 14 days..the 5th starter is an off day next week and the week of May 14th has TWO off days..its also a signal that you need to pitch well to keep your spot.

MGorosh
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2023/05/09/watercooler-wednesday-84/
WATERCOOLER WEDNESDAY.
Totally Tigers

Ever since Al Avila was promoted to GM, the Tigers (along with their now former drafting personnel) have drafted starting pitching almost exclusively for 8 years. They believed that this was the fastest way back to contention.

Since then, none of the 7 starting pitchers drafted and/or developed remaining within the organization have been a permanent part of the rotation. There were many injuries and also surgeries that played a role in assembling a new starting rotation.

Currently, there are 2 pitchers recovering from surgery. Another pitcher with undetermined arm problems that has kept him on the IL. And 1 with a broken foot.

One pitcher has just returned from Tommy John surgery.

Currently, there are 2 pitchers on the starting rotation but their ascension was a result of other pitchers? injuries.

Here is the breakdown of each starting pitcher drafted/developed by the Tigers. The first date refers to when they were drafted. The second date marks their MLB debut.

Beau Brieske (2019 ? 2022) ? An arm injury and current unknown IL stint

Alex Faedo (2017 ? 2022) ? Current starting rotation

Matt Manning (2016 ? 2021) ? 60-day IL with broken foot

Casey Mize ( 2018 ? 2020) ? 60?day IL with Tommy John and back surgeries

Tarik Skubal (2018 ? 2020) ? 60-day IL with flexor tendon surgery

Spencer Turnbull (2014 ? 2018) ? Just returned from TJ surgery and sent to minors

Joey Wentz (2016 ? 2022) ? Current starting rotation

Out of these 7, how many do you believe will eventually become a regular member of the Tigers starting rotation?

How many of these 7 pitchers will become regular members of the starting rotation?

1. 5-7

2. 3-4

3. 1-2

4. None

VOTE
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2023/05/11/five-for-friday-67/
FIVE FOR FRIDAY.
Totally Tigers

Last Friday, we asked readers to name their top 5 positional player picks as building blocks for this team going forward. To qualify, each of them had to have spent some time on the 26-man roster. Those currently on the IL also qualify.

So who made the list? Here are the top 5 in order according to the votes cast:

THE TOP

RILEY GREENE

MATT VIERLING

KERRY CARPENTER

JAKE ROGERS

ZACH McKINSTRY

It was almost a dead heat between Greene and Vierling. They received the most votes by far. Note that 4 of the 5 weren?t on last year?s roster (Carpenter?s September call-up doesn?t count).

RUNNERS UP

SPENCER TORKELSON

JAVIER BAEZ

ERIC HAASE

There was a big gap between the first group and this one. All three here were very close in voting.

NEEDING TO STEP IT UP

ZACK SHORT

NICK MATON

AKIL BADDOO

ANDY IBANEZ

Three or fewer votes for each of these players.

For the record, 6 of us picked the identical group that got the most votes. Joining me is McWatt, KJO, David Varwig, Chief and dslwat. Congrats!
Your honorary GM credentials are in the mail?.

What do you all think of these results? Has the Tigers? current play changed your minds at all?
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2023/05/11/five-for-friday-67/
FIVE FOR FRIDAY.
Totally Tigers

Last Friday, we asked readers to name their top 5 positional player picks as building blocks for this team going forward. To qualify, each of them had to have spent some time on the 26-man roster. Those currently on the IL also qualify.

So who made the list? Here are the top 5 in order according to the votes cast:

THE TOP

RILEY GREENE

MATT VIERLING

KERRY CARPENTER

JAKE ROGERS

ZACH McKINSTRY

It was almost a dead heat between Greene and Vierling. They received the most votes by far. Note that 4 of the 5 weren?t on last year?s roster (Carpenter?s September call-up doesn?t count).

RUNNERS UP

SPENCER TORKELSON

JAVIER BAEZ

ERIC HAASE

There was a big gap between the first group and this one. All three here were very close in voting.

NEEDING TO STEP IT UP

ZACK SHORT

NICK MATON

AKIL BADDOO

ANDY IBANEZ

Three or fewer votes for each of these players.

For the record, 6 of us picked the identical group that got the most votes. Joining me is McWatt, KJO, David Varwig, Chief and dslwat. Congrats!
Your honorary GM credentials are in the mail?.

What do you all think of these results? Has the Tigers? current play changed your minds at all?

the only thing this list shows me is there still isn't much talent on this roster
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2023/05/12/saturday-survey-77/
SATURDAY SURVEY.
Totally Tigers

After a horrible start to the year and ending up as MLB?s 2nd worst team, the Tigers have gone on a prolonged winning streak and currently sit just 3 games (through Thursday) out of 1st place. They have won 6 of their last 8 series.

Granted, they are probably unlikely to keep up this current pace, but doesn?t their performance so far have you re-thinking how this year may go?

PECOTA is considered to be the best projection system in baseball and they have the Tigers winning 65 games while losing 97. It is not determined via hunches but uses a complex system of calculations that usually end up being mostly correct.

What do you think about the Tigers chances this year? Will they perform similar to last year in which they finished 66-96? Will they be marginally better? Will they take a big step forward (15+ more wins) in the win column?

How well do you believe the Detroit Tigers will perform this year?

1. Similar to last year.

2. Marginally better than last year.

3. Significantly better than last year.

VOTE
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2023/05/15/spencer-for-hire/
SPENCER: FOR HIRE.
Totally Tigers

The Detroit Tigers have 2 players currently who go by the name Spencer T. At some point, either this year or over the winter, they may only have one.

Of course, we?re talking about Turnbull, not Torkelson.

What is it about the Tigers that makes some of their starting pitchers go AWOL?

We saw the first hint of trouble last Wednesday. Turnbull had not reported yet to Toledo. He was demoted 4 days before that.

And A. J. Hinch diplomatically stated that he didn?t know where Spencer was but that there was a pitching strategy and plan in place and waiting for his arrival.

So what is going on?

First of all, the facts.

Turnbull is returning from Tommy John surgery. He has had a fairly rocky debut so far this year. He is 1-4 with a 7.26 ERA and 1.677 WHIP. The worst stats of any starting pitcher on the team by far.

In his last game, A. J. Hinch noted that Spencer threw over 75% fastballs and that it was not of the caliber expected from an MLB pitcher.

After the game, Harris, Hinch and Fetter called a meeting with him at the hotel. After laying out what they were seeing, they said he would be sent to Toledo. Turnbull said he was ?blindsided? by the decision.

And that?s the first issue. You?re struggling as a pitcher and have an ERA over 7. And you didn?t think there was a problem? Couldn?t you already see that the Tigers had several other starting pitchers in Toledo (who had also pitched in Detroit) with much better stats?

Welcome to the new Tigers regime, Turnbull. Things have changed since you were last on the roster. It?s not Al Avila?s club anymore.

Before surgery, Spencer had only 6 starts with A. J. Hinch and Chris Fetter in charge back in 2021. Not enough time to get fully integrated and familiar with a changing organization. Later that year, Ryan Garko was added. The following year, Scott Harris was hired.

Someone didn?t send Turnbull the memo that things had changed.

But getting back to the facts, after a lengthy discussion, Spencer left the meeting. Shortly thereafter, he called Harris to let him know he had an injury. (For the record, he has bypassed his manager who hasn?t talked to him in over a week.)

When Turnbull got back to his room, he started making phone calls. To whom we don?t know but he was advised to tell the Tigers about any injuries.

He belatedly said he hurt his neck back in early April but kept it hidden for 6 weeks. Even after his manager had several discussions with him about his problematic pitching after each start.

No one was told. However, it?s suspicious when you have a long meeting with your bosses and fail to bring it up. Until you?ve talked with some people outside of your organization.

Three days after that meeting, Spencer fired his 2nd agent in 3 years and hired Scott Boras, who immediately had him see one of his doctors to verify his injury and get him put on the IL.

It should be noted that injuries are subjective. Doctors depend on the player to tell them to what extent he is injured. And both teams and agents have their preferred medical experts to weigh in.

The reason for all these chess moves can be placed squarely upon Spencer?s desire to reach free agency sooner rather than later.

He currently has just over 4 years of service time and is the Tigers? 2nd longest tenured pitcher. Just short of the 5-year service agreement which then gives players additional benefits. A demotion to Toledo would have stopped the service clock and delayed his free agency by a year. Going on the IL would have kept him earning service time.

By continuing to accrue service time, Turnbull remains on track to reach free agency at the end of next year. The demotion would have pushed it to 2025. He will be 31 later this year and that fatter free agent contract clock is ticking. Leaving for greener pastures at age 32 is much more problematic.

The hiring of Boras is a clear message that Spencer intends to play hardball. Boras knows all the loopholes and he will use them to ensure that his client reaches free agency on schedule.

Should you be wondering if the Tigers were manipulating his service time, all you need to see is Turnbull?s stats. Any other organization would have also sent him down for a reset.

Don?t get me wrong, every individual has the right to protect and try to enhance his career. It?s just the way Spencer did it.

Probably part of it was growing up in the Avila regime and believing that you would not be held fully accountable for your results. Maybe Turnbull was too cavalier about how his career was progressing and felt that he was entitled to all the perks that came with progression to the major leagues. Maybe he felt he was ?owed.?

But I do have a problem with a player who hides real or marginal injuries and doesn?t tell his manager or trainer. Simply because he?s afraid of losing service time. And costing his teammates games in the process.

Then there?s the manipulation with the phone calls to find ways of preventing his demotion and the hiring of the agent most likely to get him what he wants.

I also have a problem with a player who disappears on his team and doesn?t return his manager?s calls and texts. Or to call AAA manager, Anthony Iapoce to tell him he won?t be reporting as scheduled.

That?s not being a team player. It?s a ?me first? move. And it?s holding your team and organization hostage.

It also sends a bad message to your teammates. How many other players are going to take note of how Turnbull is allegedly gaming the system and then possibly use it when their time comes?

Now let?s turn to what happens next.

Spencer is currently on the 15-day IL retroactive to May 7th. He would come off it on the 21st and likely to have a rehab assignment.

But here?s where it gets tricky. What the Tigers do next will be highly scrutinized. Will he return to the rotation or will more IL time be needed (which accrues service time). Could the Tigers feel that he still needs to be demoted (with no service time)?

You can expect Boras to interfere if service time is threatened. He has a history of creating problems for teams when it comes to this subject. He would be likely to insist that one of his doctors give a diagnosis that would keep him on the IL.

Whatever happens, Turnbull has played his hand. He?s already looking for his next job so we know he won?t be part of the Tigers? future going forward. Especially with Boras as his agent.

If he returns to the rotation and does well, expect the Tigers to trade him at the end of the year once he has pitched in a comfortable number of games that would enhance his tradeability.

If he continues to struggle, he may be moved to the bullpen.

If he continues to put up bad numbers, he may be dfa?d although it?s hard to think the Tigers would allow him to leave for nothing in return unless they had no other recourse.

The next chapter starts today when Turnbull is expected to return to Detroit and start rehabbing with the team.

If I were him, I?d be reporting bright and early.
 
This broad always tries to spin some blame back to AA while sucking on Scott Harris' balls.

This entire situation is on Turnbull. He's a #4 or 5 starter at best. Not worth a contract anyway.
 
This broad always tries to spin some blame back to AA while sucking on Scott Harris' balls.

This entire situation is on Turnbull. He's a #4 or 5 starter at best. Not worth a contract anyway.

All she said was it isn't al avila's club anymore.
I think and hope turnbull is done with the Tigers. Maybe a couple more pitchers will be gone by ST of 2024.
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2023/05/19/saturday-survey-78/
SATURDAY SURVEY.
Totally Tigers

While they are slowly improving, the Detroit Tigers still have a significant issue with their offense. Several players, along with Miguel Cabrera, are currently struggling mightily at the plate.

Meanwhile, Justyn-Henry Malloy is doing great things down in Toledo. He is hitting over .300 and has one of the team?s best slash lines. He leads the club in HRs and RBIs. But he also is #1 in strikeouts.

The team has said that he still struggles against certain types of pitches. But the greatest concern is his defensive skills. He is improving, however he currently is still considered to be weak with a glove.

Obviously, success in AAA does not guarantee success in the majors. There is a big jump from the minors to the majors. And with Malloy, he?s only played in 41 games and had 144 at-bats (through Thursday?s games).

Many don?t consider this to be enough experience. Even Spencer Torkelson had over 200 at-bats before he was promoted to Detroit and it was a big part of the reason why he struggled so much last year. The Tigers don?t want Malloy potentially struggling in Detroit and setting his development back.

If the Tigers do bring him up, where would they put him? As a rookie, he would not be playing every day. The DH position currently is being filled by Miguel Cabrera and Kerry Carpenter (who is about to return from the IL).

Given all of this, what should the Tigers do with Justyn-Henry?

What should the Tigers do with Justyn-Henry Malloy?

1. Bring him up now.

2. Bring him up mid-summer.

3. Bring him up late summer.

4. Wait until next year to bring him up.

VOTE
 
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