I hear you Bob about Rancor - didn't play much green, although I really admired some the expert decks that Magic magazine presented back in the late 90's. I also had problems with well made weenie decks, until I was able to mix in some direct damage that didn't become useles in black fast decks. Also I am not sure about Standard now, but my Armageddon, which when I finally procured 4 of them (bought the last 2 for $20 apiece), ended the weenies reign of terror. Then they went and banned or restricted it - I forget which. By then though I had enough cards to handle the graveyard better and started to hold my own. Anyway, I apologize to the rest of the Tiger fans for this trip down MtG's memory lane. I'll take it to Gaming if I got more to say :*)