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Tigers vs. Athletics April 18, 2021 Game 16

https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2021/04/18/absence-made-it-evident/
ABSENCE MADE IT EVIDENT.
Totally Tigers

?Matt?s roots here in Michigan had a large influence in our decision. The fact that he not only knows the fan base, but is the fan base, represented a lot of what we were looking for in our future play-by-play man.?
FSD GM Greg Hammaren

It?s a quote I started with to begin a blog written a couple of years ago when the Tigers had announced that Matt Shepard would succeed Mario Impemba as the Tigers? TV play-by-play announcer.

Dan Dickerson is a pro when it comes to calling games for the Tigers on the radio side of things. And he has a tough job trying to make things flow with Jim Price, who does his own thing, to put it mildly.

Dan broadcasting alongside Jack Morris made Morris better and that?s not easy. Because the Tigers don?t just have a problem solely at the play-by-play spot, they have a problem across the board.
 
Very little pisses me off more than an owner who hit the genetic lottery who acts like he scraped and busted his ass to build a company. He's ruined the Tigers and took over arguably the most successful hockey team in the last 2 plus decades and they suck as well. Dude just sucks at life

As far as the Tigers, he is actually trying to fix what his dad and DD fucked up. He is taking longer than most would like, and perhaps going about it differently than what some would like, but make no mistake, he inherited a huge mess.

I don't have a clue about the hockey team, but I am going to guess that Mr I mortgaged the future trying to win a championship with that franchise as well.
But I don't give a shit about hockey so I really don't care.
 
"Fixing" an MLB franchise shouldn't take the better part of a decade to accomplish. And the jury is still out as far as it being "the better part" b/c Chrissy's farm system still comes up lacking in positional talent that is anywhere close to being ML ready. Not to mention that little has changed with his MiLB player/pitcher development staff, training, coaching, scouting, and advanced analytical department.
 
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"Fixing" an MLB franchise shouldn't take the better part of a decade to accomplish. And the jury is still out as far as it being "the better part" b/c Chrissy's farm system still comes up lacking in positional talent that is anywhere close to being ML ready. Not to mention that little has changed with his MiLB player/pitcher development staff, training, coaching, scouting, and advanced analytical department.

Based on certain rankings, the farm system is ranked #4 in terms of positional players and #1 in terms of pitching.

Mike Ilitch died 4 years ago. I think the progress that has been made is pretty good. I agree with you as far as him not spending enough resources on the minor league in terms of coaching, development, etc. That seems like something you could throw a small amount of money (when compared to MLB player salary) and get tremendous results. What does a run of the mill major league vet make...$10M a year. Throw that at really good coaches, trainers, scouting and the return would be WAY more than just signing a mediocre starting pitcher.
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2021/04/18/absence-made-it-evident/
ABSENCE MADE IT EVIDENT.
Totally Tigers

?Matt?s roots here in Michigan had a large influence in our decision. The fact that he not only knows the fan base, but is the fan base, represented a lot of what we were looking for in our future play-by-play man.?
FSD GM Greg Hammaren

It?s a quote I started with to begin a blog written a couple of years ago when the Tigers had announced that Matt Shepard would succeed Mario Impemba as the Tigers? TV play-by-play announcer.

Dan Dickerson is a pro when it comes to calling games for the Tigers on the radio side of things. And he has a tough job trying to make things flow with Jim Price, who does his own thing, to put it mildly.

Dan broadcasting alongside Jack Morris made Morris better and that?s not easy. Because the Tigers don?t just have a problem solely at the play-by-play spot, they have a problem across the board.

I get little opportunity to watch the Tigers? TV broadcast, but I did recently with MLB tv Free Game of the Day, and Shepard and Morris were, IMO, inadequate. I was surprised that they made me miss Mario and especially Rod Allen.
 
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Both Mize and Skubal will have reached official rookie eligibity a month from now, taking into consideration that their IP last season counts towards this season, or they have been on the ML roster for 45 days. They won't be prospects any longer next year, if so.

Their '17 #1 pick in Faedo has yet to get his cup of coffee in the bigs, despite being picked before Mize and Skubal. Now he will miss the entire '21 season b/c of having TJ surgery last December. Not sure that I understand why he didn't have it a year sooner, given that the '20 MiLB season was a victim of the pandemic. So why did it take a year longer to discover that he needed surgery, when he didn't pitch at all in the minors? Alex will be 26 years old by this time next year.

As far as having a #4 ranking for positional players, I find that just a wee bit optimistic, maybe top 10-15, but fourth? Is that a consensus, or just from one source?
 
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As far as the Tigers, he is actually trying to fix what his dad and DD fucked up. He is taking longer than most would like, and perhaps going about it differently than what some would like, but make no mistake, he inherited a huge mess.

CI will always be a bottom-line owner.

I don't have a clue about the hockey team, but I am going to guess that Mr I mortgaged the future trying to win a championship with that franchise as well.
But I don't give a shit about hockey so I really don't care.

The salary cap has mitigated CI?s concerns about overspending for the Wings. I expect that he?s thrilled that SY is trading potential UFAs for draft picks.

Neither team will sign players to the long-term contracts of the past. And I can?t project that the Wings will sign a single 2021-22 UFA. Maybe PH can offer his informed opinion. The dead money of Henrik, Justin A and Weiss must feel like sand in CI?s eyes.
 
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CI will always be a bottom-line owner.



The salary cap has mitigated CI?s concerns about overspending for the Wings. I expect that he?s thrilled that SY is trading potential UFAs for draft picks.

Neither team will sign players to the long-term contracts of the past. And I can?t project that the Wings will sign a single 2021-22 UFA. Maybe PH can offer his informed opinion. The dead money of Henrik, Justin A and Weiss must feel like sand in CI?s eyes.

The Wings signed a bunch this year I don't see why they'd stop now. There's value in, a cheap 1-year deal and trade deadline get possible draft picks. Can't just fill your team from just the AHL.
 
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The Wings signed a bunch this year I don't see why they'd stop now. There's value in, a cheap 1-year deal and trade deadline get possible draft picks. Can't just fill your team from just the AHL.

Sorry, I meant the UFAs on the current roster.
 
As far as the Tigers, he is actually trying to fix what his dad and DD fucked up. He is taking longer than most would like, and perhaps going about it differently than what some would like, but make no mistake, he inherited a huge mess.

I don't have a clue about the hockey team, but I am going to guess that Mr I mortgaged the future trying to win a championship with that franchise as well.
But I don't give a shit about hockey so I really don't care.

But he won with the Wings. If we won 4 WS since with the Tigers the last 20 or so years I doubt anyone would feel as bad about the club.

As of now, Yzerman vs Avila. One knows what he's doing the other doesn't. Plus NHL has a cap. It's hard to win a WS with a low payroll.

Last 25 years only one team, Marlins, won outside the top 15 payrolls. But that was a different time, only 4 teams over 100m and only 1 over 120m. You have to be perfect if Detroit ever wins another title.
 
But he won with the Wings. If we won 4 WS since with the Tigers the last 20 or so years I doubt anyone would feel as bad about the club.

As of now, Yzerman vs Avila. One knows what he's doing the other doesn't. Plus NHL has a cap. It's hard to win a WS with a low payroll.

Last 25 years only one team, Marlins, won outside the top 15 payrolls. But that was a different time, only 4 teams over 100m and only 1 over 120m. You have to be perfect if Detroit ever wins another title.

this is true. More reason to try to build a really good farm system...because you aren't going to win a WS trying to compete financially with the big market / payroll teams.
 
this is true. More reason to try to build a really good farm system...because you aren't going to win a WS trying to compete financially with the big market / payroll teams.

That's hard though. You don't need long term deals but farm system alone you need lots of luck and perfect play. They rank us 2 right now in farm system. Do you see us competing for a title any time soon?

The hardest part was mid to low market teams, I honest believe Detroit is between mid and low market teams, lets say Mize becomes a great player and then we become decent maybe even good, better chance than not Mize goes elsewhere. Same way we lost Scherzer.

I also hear if we could become the Cardinals, a good run organization, but even they spend money on guys. I also think it's a mistake to wait until Miggy is done before we spend money.
 
this is true. More reason to try to build a really good farm system...because you aren't going to win a WS trying to compete financially with the big market / payroll teams.

Since CI?s payroll with never sniff even league top-ten, the chances of the Tigers winning a WS under him are slim at best. Eight teams in the last 25 years have won a WS with a payroll below top ten. I doubt that the Tigers? payroll ever gets above league average.

And only one team, the 2003 Marlins won a WS with a payroll in the bottom-half of the league.

EDIT: I did not see Mitch?s post#52.
 
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That's hard though. You don't need long term deals but farm system alone you need lots of luck and perfect play. They rank us 2 right now in farm system. Do you see us competing for a title any time soon?

The hardest part was mid to low market teams, I honest believe Detroit is between mid and low market teams, lets say Mize becomes a great player and then we become decent maybe even good, better chance than not Mize goes elsewhere. Same way we lost Scherzer.

I also hear if we could become the Cardinals, a good run organization, but even they spend money on guys. I also think it's a mistake to wait until Miggy is done before we spend money.

no, I don't see them contending for a title any time soon. But, they wouldn't be contending for a title any time soon if they started spending $150M a year on free agents either. They need to get lucky in the draft, get lucky in free agency, and lucky with future trades to even sniff being a "title contender" because they are a small to mid market team. That's just the way baseball is now
 
no, I don't see them contending for a title any time soon. But, they wouldn't be contending for a title any time soon if they started spending $150M a year on free agents either. They need to get lucky in the draft, get lucky in free agency, and lucky with future trades to even sniff being a "title contender" because they are a small to mid market team. That's just the way baseball is now

I never said $150m on free agents just not the typical 1 year 4m deals. Because out of our top prospects, Mize-Skubal-Manning-Greene-Torkelson-Paredes-Meadows and who else might come along half of those are going to fail. If we're lucky.
 
I never said $150m on free agents just not the typical 1 year 4m deals. Because out of our top prospects, Mize-Skubal-Manning-Greene-Torkelson-Paredes-Meadows and who else might come along half of those are going to fail. If we're lucky.

$50M, $100M, $150M, it doesn't matter...the Tigers aren't contending no matter the amount of money they spend without significant contributions from home grown talent. They need to focus on the farm system first, then dip into the FA pool.
 
If the Tigers can assemble a team like 1984 through the draft, trades and FA, with the nucleus under team protection, they can win again and be good for a few seasons before those players are all UFAs. So I expect that they will try to recreate this model repeatedly, and no player will be with the organization longer than 7 years or so. IMO, off the cuff.
 
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no, I don't see them contending for a title any time soon. But, they wouldn't be contending for a title any time soon if they started spending $150M a year on free agents either. They need to get lucky in the draft, get lucky in free agency, and lucky with future trades to even sniff being a "title contender" because they are a small to mid market team. That's just the way baseball is now

Detroit consistently ranked at or near the top 10 in attendance in the league for a decade The city supports a winner.
 
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