Trade Deadline

[Mitchrapp]

And you know he's better than Dirks how? if you bring him up and trade Dirks away like the one guy said, and he's not better, you're screwed.

Nick C is hitting .284 with an .804 OPS in AAA, that's going to drop at MLB, just how far is the gamble.

Not this again :no: Sometimes people do better at the ML level. And I don't have a clue if he'll be better than Dirks. But players get promoted all the time because someone is struggling at the ML level. There is no guarantee.

 

[mnatzel3223]

You would still have a platoon of nick C. And Tui. And an occasional don Kelly if Nick C. Doesn't hit well but I still think he is better than dirks... Tui. Is for sure better than dirks but none of these guys Tui, Garcia, or Nick C. Are ever gonna reach full potential if they keep coming in and out.... Ok with you what if's scenarios say we keep nick C. Down a few more years but when he does come up he starts tearing the cover off the ball and hitting in the category as MIGGY, Trout, Or Davis then you wasted time that he could be helping us get that title.... And if your right he comes up and is a bust why keep waiting how many players have we held onto to see if they are what they were projected to be and never pan out? And how many have we never given a chance on and end up doing well somewhere else?


There's a lot of what if's you could play but Illitch wants a title now and he ain't getting any younger and he has spent a lot of money to he us where we are at, so do you think it's worth the effort to go all in and put every ounce of talent we got to get him that title?

 

[tomdalton22]

You would still have a platoon of nick C. And Tui. And an occasional don Kelly if Nick C. Doesn't hit well but I still think he is better than dirks... Tui. Is for sure better than dirks but none of these guys Tui, Garcia, or Nick C. Are ever gonna reach full potential if they keep coming in and out.... Ok with you what if's scenarios say we keep nick C. Down a few more years but when he does come up he starts tearing the cover off the ball and hitting in the category as MIGGY, Trout, Or Davis then you wasted time that he could be helping us get that title.... And if your right he comes up and is a bust why keep waiting how many players have we held onto to see if they are what they were projected to be and never pan out? And how many have we never given a chance on and end up doing well somewhere else?


There's a lot of what if's you could play but Illitch wants a title now and he ain't getting any younger and he has spent a lot of money to he us where we are at, so do you think it's worth the effort to go all in and put every ounce of talent we got to get him that title?

Why would you platoon two RH batters?

 

[Thundercats]

Alright, let's keep one of the top prospects in baseball in the minors for his entire career just because there are no guarantees he'll succeed. You guys...

 

[Thumb]

Alright, let's keep one of the top prospects in baseball in the minors for his entire career just because there are no guarantees he'll succeed. You guys...

Oh come off it....nobody is saying his whole career, ffs.

Were saying there is no reason to call him up right now. And the only reason you can think of is he's a top prospect, and you already know he's better than Dirks somehow.

 

[kalinecountry]

Alright, let's keep one of the top prospects in baseball in the minors for his entire career just because there are no guarantees he'll succeed. You guys...

You feel all right??

Castellanos will get to the Tigers between now and September 1, defensive warts and all his offensive plusses.

 

[Thundercats]

I'm just saying. He's got credentials for a reason. No reason for him to be wasting away while Andy Dirks is popping up more than a 15 year old boy on Viagra. It's silly to me.

 

[mnatzel3223]

Well no matter when Nick C. Gets up to the team I believe he will show everyone he deserved to be brought up sooner..

 

[Rebbiv]

I'm just saying. He's got credentials for a reason. No reason for him to be wasting away while Andy Dirks is popping up more than a 15 year old boy on Viagra. It's silly to me.

How is he wasting away?

Now, as soon as you add him to the 40-man roster, the minute his free agent clock starts. A September 1st call up (roster increases) allows for a look see without much downside.


Eric Munson and Chris Shelton are two example of highly touted minor league hitters you had defensive shortcomings.

 

[Thundercats]

Yes, but that would also disqualify him from being on the postseason roster. If he proves to be an upgrade, that would most likely come back to haunt us.

 

[mnatzel3223]

Yes, but that would also disqualify him from being on the postseason roster. If he proves to be an upgrade, that would most likely come back to haunt us.

Exactly if he comes up and is big for us and we can't use him on the playoff roster it will definitely haunt us but I guess that's the decisions you make being a GM..... I don't have anything wrong with DD cause he has improved this team however I wish he would make a move at the manager spot but that's me I've never been a fan of leyland I think if we had a better manager with the lineup we have our record could be so much better right now.

 

[michiganalex]

would you rather be in the cellar still?

 

[Rebbiv]

Yes, but that would also disqualify him from being on the postseason roster. If he proves to be an upgrade, that would most likely come back to haunt us.

Immediate gratification versus long term contentment is a battle for most. I prefer the long term contentment.

If the season comes down to whether or not DET did not promote Castellanos prior to 1 September, that would be one for the books. Right now, I would guess it is a 50/50 split. And with those odds, I would rather wait.

 

[Rebbiv]

would you rather be in the cellar still?

huh?

 

[Rebbiv]

Exactly if he comes up and is big for us and we can't use him on the playoff roster it will definitely haunt us but I guess that's the decisions you make being a GM..... I don't have anything wrong with DD cause he has improved this team however I wish he would make a move at the manager spot but that's me I've never been a fan of leyland I think if we had a better manager with the lineup we have our record could be so much better right now.

DD has been remarkably average to below average, especially if you take into account drafting (he has done a piss poor job of drafting). Leyland has also been average. The moment the players stop playing for Leyland is when he is out of a job. And so far, the players are still playing (maybe not all that well, but they mostly show effort).

 

[mnatzel3223]

Yeah he ain't great on drafting but he has pulled off some good trades don't you think?

 

[Rebbiv]

Yeah he ain't great on drafting but he has pulled off some good trades don't you think?

Some of his most "overlooked" trades


Gene Kingsale for Mike Rivera

Ben Petrick for Adam Bernero

Hiram Boccachica for Jason Frasor and Tom Farmer

Steve Coyler for Cody Ross



Jacques Jones for Omar Infante

Chris Truby for Jose Macias

Craig Monroe and Clay Rapada

Freddy Guzman for Chris Shelton

Edgar Renteria for Gorkys Hernandez and Jair Jurrjens

Aubrey Huff for Brett Jacobsen

Jarrod Washburn for Luke French and Mauricio Robles

David Purcey for Scott Sizemore

Wilson Betemit for Antonio Cruz and Julio Rodriguez

Jeff Baker for Cash and Marcelo Carreno

 

[Mitchrapp]

I won't go through all those trades but weren't some of those bad for both teams, meaning it was crap for crap.

But if you put those out there than you need to add the Miggy Trade and the AJ/Scherzer trade and the Fister trade. And I could go on.

 

[Rebbiv]

I won't go through all those trades but weren't some of those bad for both teams, meaning it was crap for crap.

But if you put those out there than you need to add the Miggy Trade and the AJ/Scherzer trade and the Fister trade. And I could go on.

That's the point. Most trades work out for both teams. So work out short term for one team over the other, but long term the other team gets the advantage (Alexander for Smoltz).

But to only look at Miggy's trade as the basis that he is a great GM is very short-sighted. I won't even go into his non-tendering Free Agents and or allowing players to be picked up by waiver wire by other teams.

DD isn't the worst GM, but he certainly no where to being "God" status.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Remind me who he let others claim on the WW. I don't remember, must have been past my short term memory. Like when he first started here..

And I didn't just mention Miggy, those other two trades were hugely in our favor..

And I see him as an average GM too..but fair is fair.