Trade Deadline

[tomdalton22]

Some of his most "overlooked" trades


Gene Kingsale for Mike Rivera

Ben Petrick for Adam Bernero

Hiram Boccachica for Jason Frasor and Tom Farmer

Steve Coyler for Cody Ross



Jacques Jones for Omar Infante

Chris Truby for Jose Macias

Craig Monroe and Clay Rapada

Freddy Guzman for Chris Shelton

Edgar Renteria for Gorkys Hernandez and Jair Jurrjens

Aubrey Huff for Brett Jacobsen

Jarrod Washburn for Luke French and Mauricio Robles

David Purcey for Scott Sizemore

Wilson Betemit for Antonio Cruz and Julio Rodriguez

Jeff Baker for Cash and Marcelo Carreno

I have never heard of most of those players. That made me think....how are some of the prospects doing that were traded away in some of these deals. I see that Andrew Miller is a good relief pitcher and Jacob Turner seems to be really good in Miami.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I have never heard of most of those players. That made me think....how are some of the prospects doing that were traded away in some of these deals. I see that Andrew Miller is a good relief pitcher and Jacob Turner seems to be really good in Miami.

I almost forgot about that dude. How is he putting up those numbers, 2.44? I didn't see that, maybe the NL is where he needed to go to succeed.

 

[tigersofjustice]

I have never heard of most of those players. That made me think....how are some of the prospects doing that were traded away in some of these deals. I see that Andrew Miller is a good relief pitcher and Jacob Turner seems to be really good in Miami.

I still think that Sizemore deal might be the worst of all just out of principal because Purcey was a garbage lefty specialist at the time and Sizemore was still a legit prospect (he still sorta is if ever healthy). Frankly, I think that trade would look horrid if Sizemore didn't go rip apart his knee on multiple occasions.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I still think that Sizemore deal might be the worst of all just out of principal because Purcey was a garbage lefty specialist at the time and Sizemore was still a legit prospect (he still sorta is if ever healthy). Frankly, I think that trade would look horrid if Sizemore didn't go rip apart his knee on multiple occasions.

But he did. You can't go what if, just what we see after 3-4 years.

 

[Thumb]

I have never heard of most of those players. That made me think....how are some of the prospects doing that were traded away in some of these deals. I see that Andrew Miller is a good relief pitcher and Jacob Turner seems to be really good in Miami.

Andrew Miller overall was a bust. He's resurrected somewhat as a reliever, but has come nowhere close to what he was hyped to be.

The jury is still out on Turner.

 

[mjsb2]

I still think that Sizemore deal might be the worst of all just out of principal because Purcey was a garbage lefty specialist at the time and Sizemore was still a legit prospect (he still sorta is if ever healthy). Frankly, I think that trade would look horrid if Sizemore didn't go rip apart his knee on multiple occasions.

Yup, just as dumb of a trade as could reasonably happen.

There was no reason to expect any value out of Purcey whatsoever.

Meanwhile Sizemore went on to have a .778 OPS for Oakland over the next 93 games.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yup, just as dumb of a trade as could reasonably happen.

There was no reason to expect any value out of Purcey whatsoever.

Meanwhile Sizemore went on to have a .778 OPS for Oakland over the next 93 games.

And guess what. If he was here he would be on the bench because he was hurt, wouldn't have got Infante and Raburn would still be with us at 2B.

That's right..:cheers:

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.freep.com/article/20130726/SPORTS02/307260088/detroit-tigers-trade-rumors
Friday's Detroit Tigers trade rumors.
from the freep

 

[michiganalex]

Gregerson also appears to be at the top of the list for the Tigers. However, it's going to take at least one big league-ready young player who projects as an immediate contributor for the Padres, in part because Gregerson is under club control for next season.


from mlbtraderumors.

it shouldn't take nick should it?

 

[michiganalex]

i might also add that KC's link mentions Chase Utley as a possible trade target a few times.

 

[kalinecountry]

Gregerson also appears to be at the top of the list for the Tigers. However, it's going to take at least one big league-ready young player who projects as an immediate contributor for the Padres, in part because Gregerson is under club control for next season.


from mlbtraderumors.

it shouldn't take nick should it?

no.


i might also add that KC's link mentions Chase Utley as a possible trade target a few times.
This would, along with a couple more.

 

[Rebbiv]

Gregerson also appears to be at the top of the list for the Tigers. However, it's going to take at least one big league-ready young player who projects as an immediate contributor for the Padres, in part because Gregerson is under club control for next season.


from mlbtraderumors.

it shouldn't take nick should it?

I hope they trade a good used toothbrush for Gregerson, because that is what I would be willing to trade for him.

 

[Thundercats]

I've noticed that Rebbiv seems to disagree with everyone about everything. Lol. Should be an ESPN analyst. He could be the Steven A. Smith of MLB.

 

[Thundercats]

BTW, what's the big deal? His Home ERA over the last 3 years is 2.31 and his away is 3.35. If 3.35 isn't good enough for you, then I don't know what is. He actually has better K rate and lower walks per 9 innings on the road. His HR are higher, of course, but he's only averaging 4.5 HR per year on the road anyway.

 

[kalinecountry]

I've noticed that Rebbiv seems to disagree with everyone about everything. Lol. Should be an ESPN analyst. He could be the Steven A. Smith of MLB.

Rebbiv knows more about baseball than many many posters here. and many many posters here know Alot about baseball.
Stephen A. Smith and 90% of the baseball people on espn couldn't carry Rebbiv's proverbial glove and bat.

 

[Rebbiv]

BTW, what's the big deal? His Home ERA over the last 3 years is 2.31 and his away is 3.35. If 3.35 isn't good enough for you, then I don't know what is. He actually has better K rate and lower walks per 9 innings on the road. His HR are higher, of course, but he's only averaging 4.5 HR per year on the road anyway.

ERA is a terrible stat to use as comparison, especially for relievers. And pitching in the NL means it would/should be .25 runs lower than for a pitcher in the AL.

Secondly, I do not subscribe to the notion you "trade" for relief pitching. Most relief pitchers have a short "effective" years. The exceptions are Mo Rivera and they are rare. Their (non closers) value is rarely more than a win above replacement level.

Do I think Gregerson is better than some of the relievers we currently have? Yes, of course. But I would never trade anything of value straight up for him. Now, as I have mentioned in previous threads, if the target of the trade was Chase Headley, Everth Cabrera or Jedd Gyorko and we got Gregerson, Thayer or Thatcher in the same deal, that is different. I just wouldn't make them the focus of the deal or trade anything of value for a relief pitcher.

Additionally, if we did get a pitcher like Gregerson, Thayer or Thatcher, expectations should be lowered as to now they are in a different league, different division (AL West and NL West have the most pitcher friendly parks) and different home parks. It might happen, but probably not long term.

 

[Rebbiv]

I've noticed that Rebbiv seems to disagree with everyone about everything. Lol. Should be an ESPN analyst. He could be the Steven A. Smith of MLB.

FYI...I agree a lot with most people (Thumb, Sbee, mjsb2, KC, spockmaster, etc,etc) on here that I respect. And that is the key. For instance, I am sure Thumb and I are not lock step in our belief systems, so we will have differences. But we can discuss/debate those differences without making it personal.

You made this personal by "attacking" me. And you did it in open forum. You could have sent a private message to discuss what about me is bothering you.

And thus is the crux of surviving on a message board. You do not have to agree with something someone else writes. They do not have to agree with what you write. But, you cannot have an honest debate, when one or the other "disrespects" the other. And believe me, if I was an outsider to this, I too would lose all respect for you as a poster when you personal attack another.

Again, it is not about agreeing with someone. It is about treating that difference with respect and not making it personal.

 

[Thundercats]

Sorry for you feeling like it was an attack. Was meaning it more as a compliment.

 

[Thundercats]

And while I agree that trading for relief isn't exactly the smartest thing to do, San Diego may have other players we could use in the deal. For instance, checking in on Everth Cabrera wouldn't be a bad idea, as it looks like we may lose our starting infield(by injury and suspension) by the time this season is done.

 

[greenbeerd13]

Cabrera would probably cost Castellanos wouldn't he? The man was an All Star after all...