Trump fires Tillerson

[tinselwolverine]

Even if we narrow it down to just the dating his daughter thing, he was talking about it in a discussion about his reaction if she was posing in Playboy. Even Trump seems to recognize it, he immediately says "Isn't it terrible? How terrible? It that terrible?" But I can't call it creepy without trying to interpret everything the worst possible way? I think I have a pretty decent track record giving people the benefit of the doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80

This is from over 10 years ago, and the Howard Stern thing is going on 15 years ago.

The guy is what the guy is.

I don't get what there is that's new to see here.

 

[Michchamp]

This is from over 10 years ago, and the Howard Stern thing is going on 15 years ago.

The guy is what the guy is.

I don't get what there is that's new to see here.

Well, a number of the stalwart Trump defenders are apparently unaware - possibly by design - of many or most of the awful things he's said and done.

I guess when you get ALL your news from pro-Trump sources as they do, you might think he really is some business & real estate genius, who has been kicking ass, making billions, stopping muggings with his mere physical presence in New York his whole life, and also NOT paying for sex with sleazy porn stars with bad boob jobs, NOT being a lifelong fraud, etc.

 

[tigermud]

In deep blue California, it's disingenuous at best and you know it. That'd be like some liberal singing the virtues of abortion on behalf of the state of Alabama because a few democrats are pro choice. Give me a break.

Oh boy, where to begin...

First off, you know what's more off putting than people that immeditaly throw out the race card? People that are always on their back foot ready to accuse someone of playing the race card. When I said I know what he meant, it had nothing to do with race. The fact that he would NEVER repeat what he said on a live mic is proof enough that what he said was wrong. You don't make disparaging remarks of other countries like that, regardless of how true you think they are. It's beyond tact, it's diplomacy 101. He's going to one day have to sit face to face with these leaders and they won't forget. One day it could bite us.

As far as your rant about socialism...turn off the Infowars and take a breath. Remember on that same 'shithole' hot mic when your political superhero was asking why we didn't have immigrants coming from places like Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, etc? News flash dude, all heavily socialist. Maybe among the most in the world. They don't come here in droves because they are well off. I'm not here to tell you about how the United States needs to adopt the same policies, but stop acting like it's some failed 'shithole' experiment. You think free enterprise and capitalism would revitalize some of these 'shithole' countries where socialism 'failed'? It's nonsensical to blame socialism, certain parts of the world have been behind the 8 ball for hundreds of years and most of it has to do with resources or lack thereof.

it's not disingenuous at all I'm sure there are plenty of border agents in CA that agree with him.

"California wants a wall. They may not say it, but they do".

Would it have been better for you if he said: "some Californians" want a wall, they may not feel they are able to say it in such an overall liberal state but they do" would that have been more accurate than saying "California" wants a wall and made you happier?.

I mean are you really going to get all uptight over that remark? good grief I'm sure there are a billion better remarks he's made over the years far better to get upset over than that one, holy balls man.


...then stop interjecting race into the equation, implied or otherwise. I still don't know what you meant by "Everybody knows what he meant?" what did he mean?

The fact that he would NEVER repeat what he said on a live mic is proof enough that what he said was wrong

I don't believe that is correct, I believe he later indicated that he said shit house countries, not shithole. So again what did he mean sgg? the explanation that because he NEVER repeated it again doesn't cut it. I didn't ask if it was right or wrong I asked what you felt he meant by it? I also believe his examples of Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands was at least in part resulting from him having recently met with the Norwegian prime mister the day before if I recall, was still fresh on his mind in how those countries weren't run down shitholes. so again what does everybody know he really meant if not implying race related by "everybody knows what he meant".

Diplomacy 101? that's not who he is and that's one of the reasons he won sgg, he's not politically correct and says what's on his mind, some people consider that a good thing. right or wrong it's real and teleprompter free. Some people like that, find it refreshing. Does he say stupid things sometimes.. yup he sure does, has he said anything so outrageous yet that makes me regret supporting him overall, nope. the good still outweighs the bad for me thus far.

 

[Michchamp]

so now the opinion of "border agents" is a stand in for the opinion of California's citizens... spoken like a true authoritarian.

 

[tigermud]

so now the opinion of "border agents" is a stand in for the opinion of California's citizens... spoken like a true authoritarian.

I would have said some Californians want a wall, they may not feel they are able to say it in such an overall liberal state but they do instead of "California wants a wall. They may not say it, but they do".

That would have been more accurate, but I'm not going to get all bunched up over this lack of accuracy in this instance.

Is it true you are a star trek geek as tinsel suggested? I find that hard to believe, if that were true you'd not be as confused by my vivid imagination.

 

[Spartanmack]

You just went from arguing the case where you only know about one thing he said to not having a catalog of everything he's said in this particular instance. You've shifted from one end of the gray area to the other. Knowing nothing or everything are the only perspectives not covered that leap.

I haven't shifted at all. I only know one thing he said about his daughter, I don't think it's incumbent on me to find out if that's the only thing he's said about his daughter. Of course, I was exaggerating when I said everything but I'm not going to parse the difference between 1, 2, some or all because you take "everything" so literally.

 

[tigermud]

I won't try to defend the daughter thing, other than to say I wouldn't have said that, but again is that so OUTRAGEOUS!! that I'm going to get all bunched up about it and assume the worst.. nope!.. C'Mon you're all going to have to do better than that.

 

[Spartanmack]

Even if we narrow it down to just the dating his daughter thing, he was talking about it in a discussion about his reaction if she was posing in Playboy. Even Trump seems to recognize it, he immediately says "Isn't it terrible? How terrible? It that terrible?" But I can't call it creepy without trying to interpret everything the worst possible way? I think I have a pretty decent track record giving people the benefit of the doubt.

I agree, in my previous post I meant and should have said "I think 'most' people who think it's creepy have a need to interpret anything he says in the worst possible way." I did not mean to imply that's what you were doing. But I do disagree. I think it's inappropriate but I don't thinks its creepy because I don't think the guy wants to sleep with his daughter.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I haven't shifted at all. I only know one thing he said about his daughter, I don't think it's incumbent on me to find out if that's the only thing he's said about his daughter. Of course, I was exaggerating when I said everything but I'm not going to parse the difference between 1, 2, some or all because you take literally "everything" so literally.

I'm not being picky or overly literal here. The difference between almost nothing and almost everything is a shift you used to paint what was said a certain way. I said it was creepy. You said people that say it's creepy just want to assume the worst. I ask if it's fair to judge like that. And you use these rhetorical tricks to steer things away from the suggestion that I'm the one reading into this like that.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I agree, in my previous post I meant and should have said "I think 'most' people who think it's creepy have a need to interpret anything he says in the worst possible way." I did not mean to imply that's what you were doing. But I do disagree. I think it's inappropriate but I don't thinks its creepy because I don't think the guy wants to sleep with his daughter.

OK. I then I read that wrong.

I still think it's creepy to talk about your daughter like that. And I don't think the guy has to want to sleep with her for it to be creepy. A dad shouldn't be talking about his daughter that way regardless. It's creepy that he's thought of her in terms he would think of a potential girlfriend.

 

[biggunsbob]

it's not disingenuous at all I'm sure there are plenty of border agents in CA that agree with him.

"California wants a wall. They may not say it, but they do".

Would it have been better for you if he said: "some Californians" want a wall, they may not feel they are able to say it in such an overall liberal state but they do" would that have been more accurate than saying "California" wants a wall and made you happier?.

I mean are you really going to get all uptight over that remark? good grief I'm sure there are a billion better remarks he's made over the years far better to get upset over than that one, holy balls man.


...then stop interjecting race into the equation, implied or otherwise. I still don't know what you meant by "Everybody knows what he meant?" what did he mean?

The fact that he would NEVER repeat what he said on a live mic is proof enough that what he said was wrong

I don't believe that is correct, I believe he later indicated that he said shit house countries, not shithole. So again what did he mean sgg? the explanation that because he NEVER repeated it again doesn't cut it. I didn't ask if it was right or wrong I asked what you felt he meant by it? I also believe his examples of Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands was at least in part resulting from him having recently met with the Norwegian prime mister the day before if I recall, was still fresh on his mind in how those countries weren't run down shitholes. so again what does everybody know he really meant if not implying race related by "everybody knows what he meant".

Diplomacy 101? that's not who he is and that's one of the reasons he won sgg, he's not politically correct and says what's on his mind, some people consider that a good thing. right or wrong it's real and teleprompter free. Some people like that, find it refreshing. Does he say stupid things sometimes.. yup he sure does, has he said anything so outrageous yet that makes me regret supporting him overall, nope. the good still outweighs the bad for me thus far.

Yeah California does not want the wall. I bet if you put it up for a vote it would get crushed by 1 million plus votes . Hey Donald.. You dont solve a 21st century problem with 6th century tech lol.. The guy is a dumb ass. Only 3 or 7 more years of this dumb ass idoit.
Hopfully only 3 or less!!!!!


http://www.politifact.com/californi.../no-mr-president-california-not-begging-wall/

 

[TheVictors]

I think it’s true that staring at screens all day and night makes people more easily agitated and hate filled..why are you so angry..

I stare at screens day all and night and pretty sure there surely must be something else I was intended to do on this rock in this simulation.

Was this post directed at me? I'm not angry - I'd say each word I typed to his orange face. He's a fucking scam artist - a desperate, pathetic fuck who spawned like, pathetic fucks who I probably have more insight into and information on than you. For example, about an hour ago I was in the Newport Beach office of one of Larry Kudlow's dear friends. I met Kudlow myself about 1.5yrs ago, so in theory that's one degree of separation (really two) from the Dotard.

71% of college-educated white males disapprove of Trump. I am a college-educated white male, so am very much in the mass majority of that demographic.

And I don't sit and stare at screens all day, if anything were to become irritating it would be sitting in traffic, driving between meetings or the idiots who crowd the airports.

Trump doesn't make me angry - I'm simply calling him what he is.

 

[tigermud]

Yeah California does not want the wall. I bet if you put it up for a vote it would get crushed by 1 million plus votes . Hey Donald.. You dont solve a 21st century problem with 6th century tech lol.. The guy is a dumb ass. Only 3 or 7 more years of this dumb ass idoit.
Hopfully only 3 or less!!!!!


http://www.politifact.com/californi.../no-mr-president-california-not-begging-wall/

Oh I?m sure they would.

 

[tigermud]

Was this post directed at me? I'm not angry - I'd say each word I typed to his orange face. He's a fucking scam artist - a desperate, pathetic fuck who spawned like, pathetic fucks who I probably have more insight into and information on than you. For example, about an hour ago I was in the Newport Beach office of one of Larry Kudlow's dear friends. I met Kudlow myself about 1.5yrs ago, so in theory that's one degree of separation (really two) from the Dotard.

71% of college-educated white males disapprove of Trump. I am a college-educated white male, so am very much in the mass majority of that demographic.

And I don't sit and stare at screens all day, if anything were to become irritating it would be sitting in traffic, driving between meetings or the idiots who crowd the airports.

Trump doesn't make me angry - I'm simply calling him what he is.

Mostly yes, given the amount of cussing and new moniker giving everyone the finger figured you may be deeply upset about something

Who would those 71% of college indoctrinated white males prefer? Were you nice to kudlow at least or did you ask him why he wants to go work under the dotard

 

[biggunsbob]

Oh I?m sure they would.

It wouldn't even be a close vote. 1 million plus !!!!! Would vote it down!!!

 

[Spartanmack]

OK. I then I read that wrong.

I still think it's creepy to talk about your daughter like that. And I don't think the guy has to want to sleep with her for it to be creepy. A dad shouldn't be talking about his daughter that way regardless. It's creepy that he's thought of her in terms he would think of a potential girlfriend.

I think he's probably listened to too much Howard Stern or Dice Clay and he's trying to be funny. He's probably too arrogant to realize how inappropriate and stupid it is.

 

[sggatecl]

it's not disingenuous at all I'm sure there are plenty of border agents in CA that agree with him.

I mean are you really going to get all uptight over that remark? good grief I'm sure there are a billion better remarks he's made over the years far better to get upset over than that one, holy balls man.

I chose it because it just happened less than 48 hours ago genius. If you want more examples, head on over to the separate thread I created and explain it all away. I'm sure you'd be giddy to tell us how wonderful he is.

...then stop interjecting race into the equation, implied or otherwise. I still don't know what you meant by "Everybody knows what he meant?" what did he mean?

I didn't interject any race into the equation. You leapt to that conclusion on your own. I told you what I thought he meant. I don't think there is some deep philosophical meaning behind it. I think he had another 'grab her by the pussy' moment on a live mic and now we're being told by his supporters that he's just 'telling it like it is'.

I also believe his examples of Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands was at least in part resulting from him having recently met with the Norwegian prime mister the day before if I recall, was still fresh on his mind in how those countries weren't run down shitholes.

And I believe that's a convenient, weak, bullshit cop out. To each their own.

Diplomacy 101? that's not who he is and that's one of the reasons he won sgg, he's not politically correct and says what's on his mind, some people consider that a good thing. right or wrong it's real and teleprompter free. Some people like that, find it refreshing. Does he say stupid things sometimes.. yup he sure does, has he said anything so outrageous yet that makes me regret supporting him overall, nope. the good still outweighs the bad for me thus far.

And you never will. The dude has already bragged about sexually assaulting women and made fun of physically handicapped people on live television. Short of murdering someone in the street in cold blood, you'll be chanting 'lock her up' and complaining about e-mails until the bitter end.

 

[TheVictors]

Mostly yes, given the amount of cussing and new moniker giving everyone the finger figured you may be deeply upset about something

Who would those 71% of college indoctrinated white males prefer? Were you nice to kudlow at least or did you ask him why he wants to go work under the dotard

your sarcasm is pathetic and wtf, you don't like "cussing?!" the new moniker is just for you, bro. Go Buffs!




and Fuck Trump!

 

[tinselwolverine]

I chose it because it just happened less than 48 hours ago genius. If you want more examples, head on over to the separate thread I created and explain it all away. I'm sure you'd be giddy to tell us how wonderful he is.




I didn't interject any race into the equation. You leapt to that conclusion on your own. I told you what I thought he meant. I don't think there is some deep philosophical meaning behind it. I think he had another 'grab her by the pussy' moment on a live mic and now we're being told by his supporters that he's just 'telling it like it is'.



And I believe that's a convenient, weak, bullshit cop out. To each their own.



And you never will. The dude has already bragged about sexually assaulting women and made fun of physically handicapped people on live television. Short of murdering someone in the street in cold blood, you'll be chanting 'lock her up' and complaining about e-mails until the bitter end.

Dude, you have obviously completely been missing the point, all along:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC16c98hDPc

 

[Gulo Blue]

Thanks for the clarification, yes we don't see eye to eye on climate change. The focus should be on toxins in the food supply and pollution more so than any such said carbon gas omissions that justifies any sort of global tax or man-made Geo-Engineering program to combat so-called warming trends that I don't believe really exist outside of Solar Cycles once you remove the fudged data, hide the decline and heat island effect placed temperature stations.

I agree with trumps move to pull out of the Paris Agreement, your Man made Geo-Engineering Programs will just create more problems than they solve.

If you think we should focus on toxins in the food supply, then you should be upset that Trump's pick to head the EPA rejected the EPA's own safety expert's conclusions that the pesticide chlorpyrifos should be banned.

If I avoid all the stuff I think you're wrong about and just focus on your own claims, you should at least be upset about that. Trump put a fox in the hen house with that appointment.