well anyway, it's good to see Raburn off to a good start

[Mitchrapp]

Most every marginal player is streaky. Boesch can't hit in the second half, Avila can't hit in the playoffs, Peralta was below average August-October last year. They all have problems, just like Raburn. Guys like Cabrera and Fielder are pretty much the only kind of players that have good months always. And it's been a week. Jesus.

Give me a break on all that other :bs: BB was a rook then he was hurt last season. Avila was for what 2 weeks and Peralta was not even close to K Burn like. K Burn, year after freakin' year. And it's been more than a week, the end of ST says he can't right now.

If he hits better than .220 by the AS break I'll be shocked.

 

[tigersofjustice]

I would be more concerned if he wasn't hitting the ball hard. Right now he's probably tops on this team in lineouts and long flyouts. He's making solid contact but nothing over the wall or in play yet. He also isn't striking out every other at bat like he was to begin the year last season. Overall he is swinging fine, lets wait until 50 at bats at least before you start to get on his case. Sometimes the results don't go your way in small samples.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I would be more concerned if he wasn't hitting the ball hard. Right now he's probably tops on this team in lineouts and long flyouts. He's making solid contact but nothing over the wall or in play yet. He also isn't striking out every other at bat like he was to begin the year last season. Overall he is swinging fine, lets wait until 50 at bats at least before you start to get on his case. Sometimes the results don't go your way in small samples.

That's the Inge excuse..

 

[tigersofjustice]

That's the Inge excuse..

Of course the main difference between Inge and Raburn is that Inge has consistently proven he can't hit whereas Raburn has a track record as at least a somewhat productive bat.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Of course the main difference between Inge and Raburn is that Inge has consistently proven he can't hit whereas Raburn has a track record as at least a somewhat productive bat.

He's way too inconsistent. He might be better than Inge but it doesn't mean I have to be happy.

 

[Thumb]

Most every marginal player is streaky. Boesch can't hit in the second half, Avila can't hit in the playoffs, Peralta was below average August-October last year. They all have problems, just like Raburn. Guys like Cabrera and Fielder are pretty much the only kind of players that have good months always. And it's been a week. Jesus.

Terrible comparisons Jim,

Boesch had a torn ligament in his thumb when he started to go downhill, Avila was a dead-man walking because he was exhausted, Peralta dipped a bit at the end.

Raburn would not have put up numbers like he did last year if he had not been platooned, RHP eats him alive.

 

[jimrice]

Give me a break on all that other :bs: BB was a rook then he was hurt last season. Avila was for what 2 weeks and Peralta was not even close to K Burn like. K Burn, year after freakin' year. And it's been more than a week, the end of ST says he can't right now.

If he hits better than .220 by the AS break I'll be shocked.

So some players make you make excuses for and others not? OK. Are you sleeping with Boesch or something? Try to objectively look at the stats and you may learn something.

Boesch is a valuable player, Avila and Peralta, too. But Raburn is a key to this team's success also.

 

[jimrice]

Terrible comparisons Jim,

Boesch had a torn ligament in his thumb when he started to go downhill, Avila was a dead-man walking because he was exhausted, Peralta dipped a bit at the end.

Raburn would not have put up numbers like he did last year if he had not been platooned, RHP eats him alive.

More excuses. These actually sound to me like what the Inge lovers were saying 3 years ago.

I agree that Raburn would be most valuable as a platoon player in left field, no doubt. Unfortunately, he's playing out of position.

Freaking out about how anyone is playing after only 7 games is silly, though. You have to admit that. It's just not enough of a sample size to make any conclusions.

 

[Thumb]

More excuses. These actually sound to me like what the Inge lovers were saying 3 years ago.

I agree that Raburn would be most valuable as a platoon player in left field, no doubt. Unfortunately, he's playing out of position.

Freaking out about how anyone is playing after only 7 games is silly, though. You have to admit that. It's just not enough of a sample size to make any conclusions.

I never freaked out, and I'm not making excuses...you are.

I know Raburn has some value, the problem is his value is not likely to show for some time.

The fact is 2 of those 3 players have legitimate reasons why their production dropped off when it did last year. They were poor comparisons.

Raburn has no physical reason why he cant hit consistently until June.

 

[tigersofjustice]

I never freaked out, and I'm not making excuses...you are.

I know Raburn has some value, the problem is his value is not likely to show for some time.

The fact is 2 of those 3 players have legitimate reasons why their production dropped off when it did last year. They were poor comparisons.

Raburn has no physical reason why he cant hit consistently until June.

Injuries have an all too frequent habit of serving to enhance somebody's own personal bias.

If Raburn goes to the DL for a bad back or something tomorrow can we just chalk his performance up to that? Or will you still maintain that he stunk?

Heck, you didn't even come up with an injury for Avila, just that he was "exhausted". Come on, it's time to man up and admit that you favor one player over another for reasons beyond pure production.

 

[Thumb]

Injuries have an all too frequent habit of serving to enhance somebody's own personal bias.

If Raburn goes to the DL for a bad back or something tomorrow can we just chalk his performance up to that? Or will you still maintain that he stunk?

Heck, you didn't even come up with an injury for Avila, just that he was "exhausted". Come on, it's time to man up and admit that you favor one player over another for reasons beyond pure production.

Show me where I said I favored anyone.

I just said Jim's examples were terrible.

Boesch was injured, this is not in dispute.

And if you don't think Avila was broken down and exhausted at the end of last season, then I don't know what team you were following, it was pretty much mentioned every single game during the playoffs.

The fact is, all 3 players jimrice mentioned hit against everyone, Raburn only hit against LHP, and not until late June.

 

[Thumb]

Injuries have an all too frequent habit of serving to enhance somebody's own personal bias.

If Raburn goes to the DL for a bad back or something tomorrow can we just chalk his performance up to that? Or will you still maintain that he stunk?

Heck, you didn't even come up with an injury for Avila, just that he was "exhausted". Come on, it's time to man up and admit that you favor one player over another for reasons beyond pure production.

I'll answer this on it's own.

The only 2 players I have bias about not based entirely on pure production is Delmon Young, and Brandon Inge.

Both are poor enough players for me to complain about their abilities alone, but both are also assholes in my opinion.

If you see me gripe about Raburn, and aside from mentioning soem things in this thread, I have not yet this season...it's because of his production and defense, and no other reason.

I actually like having Raburn on the team, so I don't dislike him. But he has been pretty awful so far, and he needs to turn that around.

 

[tigersofjustice]

Show me where I said I favored anyone.

I just said Jim's examples were terrible.

Boesch was injured, this is not in dispute.

And if you don't think Avila was broken down and exhausted at the end of last season, then I don't know what team you were following, it was pretty much mentioned every single game during the playoffs.

The fact is, all 3 players jimrice mentioned hit against everyone, Raburn only hit against LHP, and not until late June.

I didn't say you said that, what I said is that your opinions show that.

Boesch didn't hit because of his thumb, Avila was "exhausted" which is why he didn't hit, ect. Those are personal bias statements not supported by evidence other than what you 'heard' to be true. Then you take what you heard and automatically apply it to their struggles whether or not it is related without any evidence.

Meanwhile, you are willing to harp on Raburn's struggles after 20+ AB which is not enough to tell you anything about anybody.

 

[spockmaster]

Raburn had a decent April last year, it was his horrid May that dragged down his first half numbers. Im betting he heats up more once the weather does.

 

[Thumb]

I didn't say you said that, what I said is that your opinions show that.

Boesch didn't hit because of his thumb, Avila was "exhausted" which is why he didn't hit, ect. Those are personal bias statements not supported by evidence other than what you 'heard' to be true. Then you take what you heard and automatically apply it to their struggles whether or not it is related without any evidence.

Meanwhile, you are willing to harp on Raburn's struggles after 20+ AB which is not enough to tell you anything about anybody.

I have not harped on anyone, you're confusing me with bob, mitch and others in this thread.

The Boesch and Avila statements are not personal bias, they are facts, I don't see how you don't get that. Boesch went on the DL after they discovered the discomfort in his thumb was a lorn ligament, I couldn't make that up if I wanted to. Avila caught a TON of innings last year, look it up. He took a lot of abuse behind the plate too.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

I suggest you go back and re-read this thread from the start.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Raburn had a decent April last year, it was his horrid May that dragged down his first half numbers. Im betting he heats up more once the weather does.

You mean like last year?

People here often complain about Delmon's bat when his career numbers are inline with K Burn's. Higher average, similar OBP but a little less power. BB as well, his numbers in his short career has put up similar numbers also..

Add in the defense and you pretty much have the same guy.. But of the ones on here who defend K Burn year after year always want to get rid of DY and BB. Makes no sense.

 

[Thumb]

You mean like last year?

People here often complain about Delmon's bat when his career numbers are inline with K Burn's. Higher average, similar OBP but a little less power. BB as well, his numbers in his short career has put up similar numbers also..

Add in the defense and you pretty much have the same guy.. But of the ones on here who defend K Burn year after year always want to get rid of DY and BB. Makes no sense.

Ryan Raburn Career WAR: 4.3

Delmon Young Career WAR: -0.2

Makes perfect sense Mitch.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ryan Raburn Career WAR: 4.3

Delmon Young Career WAR: -0.2

Makes perfect sense Mitch.

I see DY at 5.4 and K Burn at 5.2, just on offense. They both stink on defense.

 

[Thumb]

You have to look deeper than just War numbers.

I'm open to suggestions.

Make a case for Delmon Young being a better ballplayer or even equal to Ryan Raburn.

 

[tonyballs]

Linking Inge and Raburn? Interesting. A brief look at the stats over the last 4-5 years will tell you why Raburn gets at bats. 2009 and 10 Raburn was a top 3 hitter on the team, based on the stats. Hopefully he can get back to a mid-high .800's OPS.

Is it interesting? Good for you, bro. Raburn and Inge are both trash...sorry. Raburn being a better hitter. Fn beautiful..lol.

Sorry, but i don't know about you but i'm done with the both of them. Maybe it's just me? Doubt it.