What should the Tigers do?

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Why would Young DH over Raburn?

Raburn is a better hitter.

So?

Cabrera is better than Raburn, but he's not DH'ing.

Raburn will still be in the lineup whether he's the DH or Young is. (or anyone else for that matter unless we trade for a full time 2Bman)

 

[buddyboy2121]

I wonder if the Braves have changed their mind on Martin Prado yet

 

[turok]

Chicken Little....Chicken Little...


OK...so losing Martinez is a blow. I get that. However, here is the stat line for those 2011 players (not including Martinez) that are no longer with the team:

912 PA 90 R 17 HR 80 RBI .253 BAVG .310 OBP .364 SLG .674 OPS 66.82 RC/650

Now, as much as I dislike Delmon, he should more than make up for most of this in a full season, even in a bad year. If DET can effectively replace these stats with AL Average production (See Young), then that is roughly a 3 win improvement offfensively.

As a DH. Martinez was about 4 wins above the average AL DH. So, if he is replaced by an average DH, and with production increase from above, the net effect is minus 1 win.

Understand, using the same formulas, losing Cabrera would mean 13 wins over an AL Average 1B, or a minus 10 wins with the "Young Improvement".

To further make a point. If you replace Inge with a AL Average offensive 3B (not an elite one), then that is a 3 win improvement. Add the 3 win for "Young Improvement", then subtract Martinez, this team should be about 2 wins better than 2012.

Adding someone line Cepedes, pretty much is only giving you league average production at DH (whoever plays there). And we are still about minus 1 win from last year in offensive production for DH, whether Young is DH or not.

I could have used 2B instead of Inge, but I believe the effect would be the same. At some point before 2013, DET needs to address 2B and/or 3B.

Without Martinez, a DH by committee would work. Heck, even Avila could see more time as DH. I understand that means Laird as C reduces that effect.

I will also go out on a limb and say DET is hoping Castellanos solves their 3B issue in 2013. Personally, I would rather solve it now than later. But, I would take at least a 2B upgrade. I certainly wouldn't be looking for a 1-year DH replacement.

Formulas, calculations and sabermetrics are nice, especially when used in playing fantasy MLB on a computer, however they do not take into account injuries and depth, especially QUALITY depth, of which the Tigers are alarmingly LACKING in almost all facets of the game... lineup, pitching, and defense. It is even more lacking now than it was all of last year, with Ordonez, Guillen, Sizemore, Wells, Penny, Perry, and Rhymes having departed amongst a couple others. Only their RP has some halfway-decent depth,which is partly/likely why Zumaya is now a Twin.

I am of course aware that in both Maggs and Carlos cases, they were oft-injured during the season, but both returned eventually and helped in some small ways to the Tigers winning the ALCD. But neither is likely to be resigned (and with good reason) but neither one has been replaced by signing FAs or trades at this point, either.

Are the '12 Tigers just one more key injury away from mediocrity, or even worse...gulp...bottom feeders? Maybe their pitching can help to mitigate the latter from happening , but IMO, it sure as hell won't be their offense and defense that would.

The other teams in the ALCD are quite aware of how thin the team now is, and especially in the Tribe's case, the loss of VMart by the Tigers, might make the club decide to make a couple of more moves to position themselves better prior to or during the season, the latter especially if the Tigers were to stumble out of the gate to start the season, at least offensively and likely defensively as well, b/c of the latter overall it could be at best termed "adequate".

 

[mjsb2]

Why would Young DH over Raburn?

Raburn is a better hitter.

So?

Cabrera is better than Raburn, but he's not DH'ing.

Raburn will still be in the lineup whether he's the DH or Young is. (or anyone else for that matter unless we trade for a full time 2Bman)

Go look at his lineup and then you'll realize why I asked that.

 

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So?

Cabrera is better than Raburn, but he's not DH'ing.

Raburn will still be in the lineup whether he's the DH or Young is. (or anyone else for that matter unless we trade for a full time 2Bman)

Go look at his lineup and then you'll realize why I asked that.

Ah, did not realize you were replying to a specific person, thought it was just about the whole DY to DH bullshit.

 

[biggunsbob]

Go look at his lineup and then you'll realize why I asked that.

Ah, did not realize you were replying to a specific person, thought it was just about the whole DY to DH bullshit.

Well the Tigers have to do something... No use moping about it.. So you would rather have Young in left field so be it... I don't care which way they go but one of the options is to use DY as a DH especially verses LHP.. I know fielding is a tad overrated but you have to admit Raburn and Young are not good fielders.. No matter which move we make we are not going to get the same production as we did from Victor.

 

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biggunsbob[/color]]
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Ah, did not realize you were replying to a specific person, thought it was just about the whole DY to DH bullshit.

Well the Tigers have to do something... No use moping about it.. So you would rather have Young in left field so be it... I don't care which way they go but one of the options is to use DY as a DH especially verses LHP.. I know fielding is a tad overrated but you have to admit Raburn and Young are not good fielders.. No matter which move we make we are not going to get the same production as we did from Victor. [/quote:89mur9ox]


I'm not moping about anything Bob, Msjb made a comment and I replied, not realizing he was commenting on someones idea for a lineup that included Young but not Raburn, and Msjb is right, Raburn is better than DY, in all categories except fat.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I wouldn't get carried away with Raburn being better than DY. That's like asking which ugly sister is prettier.

 

[jimrice]

Mitch[/color]]I wouldn't get carried away with Raburn being better than DY. That's like asking which ugly sister is prettier.

If Raburn can manage a year like 2010 or 2009 he will likely be the team's third best hitter (after Cabrera and Avila). So, the difference between Young and Raburn might be pretty important.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And if DY is like 2010? Plus Raburn is crap in one half or another in those 2 seasons? So during his .220 first half, he won't help at all.

 

[mjsb2]

Mitch[/color]]And if DY is like 2010? Plus Raburn is crap in one half or another in those 2 seasons? So during his .220 first half, he won't help at all.

Neither will Delmon being useless for half a season, like he's done many times.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Like I said, a couple of ugly sisters. But people on here think Raburn is a good player. Not sure its because of the alternative, DY, or they actually think he's good.

 

[mjsb2]

Mitch[/color]]Like I said, a couple of ugly sisters. But people on here think Raburn is a good player. Not sure its because of the alternative, DY, or they actually think he's good.

He's not good, but he's not bad like a lot of people suggest.

Merely average, and a very useful player to have on the team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I just have this picture of bases loaded, zero outs, with Raburn Inge and AJ back to back to back and all 3 strikeout.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]Like I said, a couple of ugly sisters. But people on here think Raburn is a good player. Not sure its because of the alternative, DY, or they actually think he's good.

He's not good, but he's not bad like a lot of people suggest.

Merely average, and a very useful player to have on the team.

Not as a starter. Platoon against LHP at the most. Except the Tigers, in their wisdom, don't have a platoon against RHP. They have another right handed bat in Delmon.

 

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Mitch[/color]]Like I said, a couple of ugly sisters. But people on here think Raburn is a good player. Not sure its because of the alternative, DY, or they actually think he's good.

I don't think Raburn's good, but there is no contest he's better then Young, both at the plate, and in the field.

I think Raburn is just below average when you balance out his low and high peaks during a season as far as the OF is concerned, as a 2B he's horrible, but that position was forced on him, I'm sure he did not ask to be the 2nd baseman.

 

[Mitchrapp]

[quote="Mitch":thzyz1uj]Like I said, a couple of ugly sisters. But people on here think Raburn is a good player. Not sure its because of the alternative, DY, or they actually think he's good.

I don't think Raburn's good, but there is no contest he's better then Young, both at the plate, and in the field.

I think Raburn is just below average when you balance out his low and high peaks during a season as far as the OF is concerned, as a 2B he's horrible, but that position was forced on him, I'm sure he did not ask to be the 2nd baseman.[/quote:thzyz1uj]

He's not very good in left either. Just that he's better than DY.

 

[Mitchrapp]

But honestly, do you see Sanchez getting 600 PA? So eventually Raburn will play 2B.

 

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Mitch[/color]]But honestly, do you see Sanchez getting 600 PA? So eventually Raburn will play 2B.

I don't see Sanchez getting any PA's.

In before the edit!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Whatever. lol. No need to edit.