Who are your 2013 Hall of Fame Players

[Mitchrapp]

"It's very emotional, it's telling family members, friends and coaches, you know, it's former teammates to try to get ahold of, you know, that I'm coming clean and being honest," he said. "It's the first time they've ever heard me, you know, talk about this. I hid it from everybody."

If that's not coming clean I don't know what is..

 

[Mitchrapp]

Here's the link in case you want to see it..

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4816607

 

[tomdalton22]

"It's very emotional, it's telling family members, friends and coaches, you know, it's former teammates to try to get ahold of, you know, that I'm coming clean and being honest," he said. "It's the first time they've ever heard me, you know, talk about this. I hid it from everybody."

If that's not coming clean I don't know what is..

I believe you...I just don't remember that. But we still have some problems with your plan. What do you do with the others that have not been caught or admitted it?

 

[Rebbiv]

I still think he was talking about Ricky.....maybe he has some kind of allegence to him.

If I am a betting man I would put my money on Ricky.

Ricky Henderson 88-89 : 1hr ever 54 ABs.
Traded back A's in mid 1989, joining Canseco & MCGwire:
Ricky 90-93: 1hr every 25 ABs.

NYY 85-87 1,795 PA 69 HR 26.01 PA/HR


OAK 90-92 1,672 PA 61 HR 27.41 PA/HR


His HR rate for his first 3 full years with NYY was better than your so-called Canseco/McGwire 3 full influence years!

 

[Mitchrapp]

I believe you...I just don't remember that. But we still have some problems with your plan. What do you do with the others that have not been caught or admitted it?

It's up to them. I won't lose sleep over who gets in or out.

 

[uofmpoweri]

Gambling on baseball turns it into the WWE. Pete Rose is not the same as some guys that juiced. If you allow gambling you destroy the game forever. The fix is in and it turns into a Don King boxing match. Look at where boxing is now. One player doping does not necessarily effect the outcome of games.

 

[tomdalton22]

NYY 85-87 1,795 PA 69 HR 26.01 PA/HR


OAK 90-92 1,672 PA 61 HR 27.41 PA/HR


His HR rate for his first 3 full years with NYY was better than your so-called Canseco/McGwire 3 full influence years!

Maybe it isn't him....even though I think it is. All I do know is some people will be or are in the HOF that have used PEDs. I really don't care since I am one that thinks they all should be let in. My point is how can you keep some out and others get in when it is not possible to know who was using and who wasn't?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Gambling on baseball turns it into the WWE. Pete Rose is not the same as some guys that juiced. If you allow gambling you destroy the game forever. The fix is in and it turns into a Don King boxing match. Look at where boxing is now. One player doping does not necessarily effect the outcome of games.

Sure it does , it helps a guy hit 73 home runs and walk 200+ times. That has to effect a game from time to time..

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybe it isn't him....even though I think it is. All I do know is some people will be or are in the HOF that have used PEDs. I really don't care since I am one that thinks they all should be let in. My point is how can you keep some out and others get in when it is not possible to know who was using and who wasn't?

That goes back to my original thought..Don't let the one who were caught or came clean into the Hall.

 

[uofmpoweri]

NYY 85-87 1,795 PA 69 HR 26.01 PA/HR


OAK 90-92 1,672 PA 61 HR 27.41 PA/HR


His HR rate for his first 3 full years with NYY was better than your so-called Canseco/McGwire 3 full influence years!

Ricky Henderson

NY 1985-1989 AB/HR=2302/78=29.51 AB/HR
OAK 1989-1993 AB/HR=1979/87= 22.74 AB/HR

Why cherry pick the years to fit your arguement? And why use Plate Appearances instead of at bats? What do walks have to do with anything?

 

[Rebbiv]

Prior to 2001, it was not against MLB rules to have or use performance enhancing drugs.


2001 MLB enacts drug testing in the Minor Leagues.

2003 Drug Testing begins at the MLB level as a "survey" phase. MLB later announces 5-7% of the 1,438 tests were positives. Later, 2004 results were announced as 1-2% positives.

2005 Alex Sanchez becomes first MLB Player suspended for PED.


This is like trying to determine if the Soviet athletes were clean during past Olympics. At one point, it wasn't necessarily prohibited.


Just because it wasn't prohibited, doesn't make it right. I will add, that I do not believe PED usage was greater than 10% of the players. In some cases, athletes use a cold medicine or anti-inflammation that contains a banned substance.

Weight training as a science is better than ever. At 52, I know more about building muscles than when I was at 18, 28 or 38. I weigh 40 pounds more than when I retired from the Army (2000), of which, 30 pounds are raw muscle weight.

 

[Rebbiv]

Ricky Henderson

NY 1985-1989 AB/HR=2302/78=29.51 AB/HR
OAK 1989-1993 AB/HR=1979/87= 22.74 AB/HR

Why cherry pick the years to fit your arguement? And why use Plate Appearances instead of at bats? What do walks have to do with anything?

I didn't cherry pick.

You not understanding using Plate Appearances over At Bats explains a lot.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Prior to 2001, it was not against MLB rules to have or use performance enhancing drugs.


2001 MLB enacts drug testing in the Minor Leagues.

2003 Drug Testing begins at the MLB level as a "survey" phase. MLB later announces 5-7% of the 1,438 tests were positives. Later, 2004 results were announced as 1-2% positives.

2005 Alex Sanchez becomes first MLB Player suspended for PED.


This is like trying to determine if the Soviet athletes were clean during past Olympics. At one point, it wasn't necessarily prohibited.


Just because it wasn't prohibited, doesn't make it right. I will add, that I do not believe PED usage was greater than 10% of the players. In some cases, athletes use a cold medicine or anti-inflammation that contains a banned substance.

Weight training as a science is better than ever. At 52, I know more about building muscles than when I was at 18, 28 or 38. I weigh 40 pounds more than when I retired from the Army (2000), of which, 30 pounds are raw muscle weight.

Can you kick my ass?

 

[Thumb]

I don't remember McGuire coming clean. Bonds never really came clean..he just said he didn't know what he was using. The rest of them never got caught and never admitted it. So we should let them in no questions asked? Clemens should be a first ballot HOFer.

McGwire never hid the fact that he was using Andro, it was common knowledge during the home run race between him and Sosa.

Back around that time I used to spend many hours in the gym, and take lots of supplements like Creatine, but some guys I knew were already taking Andro, because McGwire made it popular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenedione

 

[Rebbiv]

Can you kick my ass?

No.....


but I can kick my own ass.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No.....


but I can kick my own ass.

So I'm sitting in my den trying to kick my own ass and realize I can't do it. What's the trick?

Maybe I need some aerobic training or yoga..

 

[Rebbiv]

So I'm sitting in my den trying to kick my own ass and realize I can't do it. What's the trick?

Maybe I need some aerobic training or yoga..

http://www.hellomynameisblog.com/2010/03/11-ways-to-kick-your-own-ass-without.html

 

[uofmpoweri]

I didn't cherry pick.

You not understanding using Plate Appearances over At Bats explains a lot.

You not owning up to your manipulation of the facts tells me all that I need to know.

 

[Thumb]

You not owning up to your manipulation of the facts tells me all that I need to know.

Wow.

Just wow. :lmao:

 

[thehippo73]

My HOF votes are Morris, Lee Smith, Dale Murphy, Don Mattingly, Biggio and Trammell.

On to the roid issue. Some have said, as a defense, there were no rules against roids prior to 2004. Fay Vincent issued a statement to every team prohibiting the use of illegal drugs in 1991. This would include roids. Granted there was no penalty, therefore was a very hollow policy.

Bonds would have made the Hall without roids. But he wouldn't have been in the conversation as the greatest of all time. Clemens is a maybe for me. Clemens added 9 quality seasons in his late career thanks to roids imo.