Who do you want to see the Tigers acquire

[kalinecountry]

Who do you want to see the Tigers acquire in a trade or FA signing,
ok, maybe in a perfect world, our Tigers front office would fix all the problems we see most all games, but will they fix all those that drive us up a wall.

1. Manager/coaches. Leyland's in game decisions with lineup, bullpen...putting relievers in to face batters the reliever has poor lefty or righty splits versus.
Lamont's windmill/stopsign Runners coming around third base, stop and go...
Legendary Lloyd Hitting coach and tweaks for improvement outside of Jackson are practically nil, or do not last for long,

2. Corner outfield production aka lack of and terrible defense, Boesch, Young, Raburn, and yes Berry, his speed can't make up for poor routes to fly balls.

I would like to see any combination of the following traded for, or at least inquire as to what it would cost in trade....Choo, Markakis, Willingham, or with Mr. Ilitch Star Power additions, Hamilton? Can they or would they add another $20M player?

3. lack of range at shortstop, Peralta has minimal range, maybe the indians gave up on Jhonny a year too soon, but they were right.
Would the rangers part with Andrus? super prospect jusickson profar is coming up.

4. Certain starter(s). Right now, the opinion that Porcello is young is starting to grow old, Scherzer while still having high pitch counts even when pitching well might be imo a better option of keeping, Smyly showed enough to be a 5th starter when healthy, Sanchez just doesn't seem the same as when in the NL.
Who?

5. Bullpen. What happened to Valverde? Sure he wasn't going to go 100% in save opps again, but his acting like a previous roller coaster or two, Jones/Rodney...Tigers might need a new closer. Benoit, Villarreal, both might be over used at time. Coke looks more and more like a lefty specialist, Below is the 'Claude Rains' of the Tigers staff
Bring up Rondon, but if Leyland is back, he wants experience at the 8th/9th innings.
Who?

Anything else I might have missed?

Comments, add, vent, critique, give your thoughts who you would like the DD, Mr. I, and Tigers add.
Yes, the Tigers still could have a run in them, make the playoffs, get in and even maybe advance, but honestly, overall, what we watch game to game, and the home/road Jekyll and Hyde, do they look like a team on a mission to win the world series?

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Who do you want to see the Tigers acquire in a trade or FA signing,
ok, maybe in a perfect world, our Tigers front office would fix all the problems we see most all games, but will they fix all those that drive us up a wall.

1. Manager/coaches. Leyland's in game decisions with lineup, bullpen...putting relievers in to face batters the reliever has poor lefty or righty splits versus.
Lamont's windmill/stopsign Runners coming around third base, stop and go...
Legendary Lloyd Hitting coach and tweaks for improvement outside of Jackson are practically nil, or do not last for long,

2. Corner outfield production aka lack of and terrible defense, Boesch, Young, Raburn, and yes Berry, his speed can't make up for poor routes to fly balls.

I would like to see any combination of the following traded for, or at least inquire as to what it would cost in trade....Choo, Markakis, Willingham, or with Mr. Ilitch Star Power additions, Hamilton? Can they or would they add another $20M player?

3. lack of range at shortstop, Peralta has minimal range, maybe the indians gave up on Jhonny a year too soon, but they were right.
Would the rangers part with Andrus? super prospect jusickson profar is coming up.

4. Certain starter(s). Right now, the opinion that Porcello is young is starting to grow old, Scherzer while still having high pitch counts even when pitching well might be imo a better option of keeping, Smyly showed enough to be a 5th starter when healthy, Sanchez just doesn't seem the same as when in the NL.
Who?

5. Bullpen. What happened to Valverde? Sure he wasn't going to go 100% in save opps again, but his acting like a previous roller coaster or two, Jones/Rodney...Tigers might need a new closer. Benoit, Villarreal, both might be over used at time. Coke looks more and more like a lefty specialist, Below is the 'Claude Rains' of the Tigers staff
Bring up Rondon, but if Leyland is back, he wants experience at the 8th/9th innings.
Who?

Anything else I might have missed?

Comments, add, vent, critique, give your thoughts who you would like the DD, Mr. I, and Tigers add.
Yes, the Tigers still could have a run in them, make the playoffs, get in and even maybe advance, but honestly, overall, what we watch game to game, and the home/road Jekyll and Hyde, do they look like a team on a mission to win the world series?

I want to see us sign Hamilton to play LF. Let Peralta, Young, and Valverde walk and you can definitely afford him. Then, trade away Boesch/Berry/Porcello/Dirks/etc. for a good defensive SS. If Rick was traded, I'd be okay with us having Verlander/Fister/Scherzer as our top 3, hope Smyly can be #4 or #5 and sign a innings eating veteran for the remaining rotation spot. The back end of the pen can be made up of Villareal/Benoit/Dotel/Rondon/Al Al. Castellanos can be our RF.

 

[mjsb2]

I want to see us sign Hamilton to play LF. Let Peralta, Young, and Valverde walk and you can definitely afford him. Then, trade away Boesch/Berry/Porcello/Dirks/etc. for a good defensive SS. If Rick was traded, I'd be okay with us having Verlander/Fister/Scherzer as our top 3, hope Smyly can be #4 or #5 and sign a innings eating veteran for the remaining rotation spot. The back end of the pen can be made up of Villareal/Benoit/Dotel/Rondon/Al Al. Castellanos can be our RF.

Kiss Verlander and Cabrera goodbye if we sign Hamilton for 20 mill a year.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Need get rid of:

Raburn, Peralta, Delmon Young, and Sanchez.

Valverde is still one of the top closers in baseball imo and Rick Porcello still shows signs of being dominant. Even more so this year than in the past few, problem is we might as well keep him around at this point.

What do we need to add? Well going into next season I think we only have a couple holes if the people I listed are gone.

C - Avila / Laird
1B - Fielder / Baker
2B - Infante / Santiago
SS - ??? / Santiago
3B - Cabrera / Baker
LF - Boesch / Dirks or Berry
CF - Jackson / Dirks or Berry
RF - ??? / Dirks or Berry
SP - Verlander / Scherzer / Fister / ??? / Porcello
RP - Valverde / Benoit / Coke / Villarreal / Alburquerque / Schlereth / Dotel?

Shortstop - Not sure, Stephen Drew might become a free agent. Think there is a mutual option on his deal this year. But I would honestly be fine with just having a great defensive player here. Jack Wilson still have his D?

Outfield - Hamilton is a dream that won't come true. Ryan Ludwick would be a nice option. He has always been a real good defender with a decent bat. Shane Victorino is a FA, however one would think he wouldnt be available and/or is too expensive. Grady Sizemore is the type of buy low free agent pick up. Ichiro??

SP - We really need to put our money this offseason into a LH starting pitcher I believe. However there really isnt much out there in FA. Grienke is there, unless the Angels get a deal done for him. James Shields?

You imagine our Rotation with Grienke at the #2? Or even Shields? Sure we still don't have a lefty but Scherzer/Fister at 3/4 is awesome to have and Porcello pitches better than a #5.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Kiss Verlander and Cabrera goodbye if we sign Hamilton for 20 mill a year.

Pretty sure Young, Peralta and Valverde alone make roughly $20mil combined. Cutting bait on them and signing Hamilton for the same amount would have no effect on JV & Miggy. Besides, those two are signed through '14 and '15 respectively.

Also, Raburn is another $2.1mil and Sanchez is $8mil in payroll that can be cleared.

 

[servinthed]

Baker, Laird, Sanchez, Valverde, and Delmon are all FA after this year. I'm thinking all but maybe Laird are gone.

Jhonny has a $6M option or a $500K buyout. I would like to see them upgrade defensively/offensively at SS, and this would probably have to be done through a trade as there are no good FA on the open market.

The outfielder FA list is pretty light as well. Hamilton is the only big name on the list, so I dont know if Ilitch is going to go crazy about his star players and get Hamilton. I would only agree with this if it was guaranteed that Cabrera and JV would be re-signed. Other than that it looks like a trade would have to happen here as well.

A starting pitcher i'd like the Tigers to target is Shaun Marcum. He is pitching well in MIL this year and he has pitched in the AL in the past and had success. He is a veteran who can be an innings eater and an excellent #4 starter on this team.

A couple RP the Tigers should target are Mike Adams and Joel Peralta. Both are solid veterans who can help this team. I dont know if the Tigers should keep Valverde or not, he would definitely need to take a pay cut. The FA closer list isnt that impressive.

I dont know how accurate this list is, but it shows potential free agents at every position.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=177

 

[mjsb2]

Pretty sure Young, Peralta and Valverde alone make roughly $20mil combined. Cutting bait on them and signing Hamilton for the same amount would have no effect on JV & Miggy. Besides, those two are signed through '14 and '15 respectively.

Also, Raburn is another $2.1mil and Sanchez is $8mil in payroll that can be cleared.

Tigers aren't going to be paying 4 players 90-100 mill a year for 5+ years.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Yea it doesnt make any sense to have 4 players make up 90% of your payroll. It would cripple your flexibility. We just need to upgrade around our star players.

 

[Thumb]

People have to realize while it would be nice to have players like Hamilton, Choo, or Markakis, just about anyone would have been better then Young and Boesch.

We could significantly upgrade those positions in terms of runs created and runs saved without adding a superstar.

If DD rushes Castellanos onto the 2013 roster, I might shoot DD. And yes, I'm serious.

SS...I'd love someone with more range than Peralta, but my guess is they will pick up his option, simply because there are few other options. One might be Kelly Johnson, sign him at 2B and move Omar to SS.

Closer....let Valverde go, he is nothing but drama and payroll. Plenty of teams are learning you can take a young power arm and let him close games, if Benoit does not want the job, I'd give it to Villarreal.

Manager...I'm indifferent on if Leyland stays or goes, and I have explained why in a couple other threads, so I won't go in to it again. But even if we get a new manager, little will change, and he will likely always do something that drives a good portion of us nuts.

 

[tomdalton22]

Pretty sure Young, Peralta and Valverde alone make roughly $20mil combined. Cutting bait on them and signing Hamilton for the same amount would have no effect on JV & Miggy. Besides, those two are signed through '14 and '15 respectively.

Also, Raburn is another $2.1mil and Sanchez is $8mil in payroll that can be cleared.

I am pretty sure the poster meant that kiss them goodbye after their contracts are up in '14 & '15. Anyway....this team has way too many holes in it. Spending $20 million to fill one hole while creating more (have to replace Peralta & Valverde) simply doesn't make any sense. The Tigers need a good corner OF...not a super star. They will need a closer or at minimum a few good BP arms and they need another quality starter.

So my wish list goes like this:

1. Corner OF that can play defense and hit but doesn't have to be a super star.
2. #3 or #2 starter.
3. Closer or add a few power BP arms and let one of the current guys close...bye bye Valverde
4. Upgrade SS if possible. Peralta doesn't have the range and his bat has been a little disapointing.

I wouldn't mind if the Tigers traded Porcello to an NL team. I really think he could be an effective pitcher over there and I think you could get some good position prospects out of him.

 

[byco42]

1. Manager/coaches. Leyland's in game decisions with lineup, bullpen...putting relievers in to face batters the reliever has poor lefty or righty splits versus.
Lamont's windmill/stopsign Runners coming around third base, stop and go...
Legendary Lloyd Hitting coach and tweaks for improvement outside of Jackson are practically nil, or do not last for long

Can't piece meal these guys. They either all go or all stay.

2. Corner outfield production aka lack of and terrible defense, Boesch, Young, Raburn, and yes Berry, his speed can't make up for poor routes to fly balls.

Eric Young Junior is someone I like. His career #s are not that eye-popping, but he's better than any one the Tigers have in the corners. And he plays 2B as well. Just a cursory look at the the guy, but he wouldn't hurt.

I would like to see any combination of the following traded for, or at least inquire as to what it would cost in trade....Choo, Markakis, Willingham, or with Mr. Ilitch Star Power additions, Hamilton? Can they or would they add another $20M player?

Markakis is the guy I'd want and the O's locked him up throuh '14, they are on the rise and he's one of the reasons why, so I don't think the Tigers win that trade.

3. lack of range at shortstop, Peralta has minimal range, maybe the indians gave up on Jhonny a year too soon, but they were right.
Would the rangers part with Andrus? super prospect jusickson profar is coming up.

We're I the Rangers Stetson Hats, I'd look for a reason to keep them both. Andrus is only 23.

4. Certain starter(s). Right now, the opinion that Porcello is young is starting to grow old, Scherzer while still having high pitch counts even when pitching well might be imo a better option of keeping, Smyly showed enough to be a 5th starter when healthy, Sanchez just doesn't seem the same as when in the NL.
Who?

A five-starter is a five starter and you're likely going to get those numbers with no matter who fills that slot. I'm not ready to give up on Porcello yet. He's only 23.

5. Bullpen. What happened to Valverde? Sure he wasn't going to go 100% in save opps again, but his acting like a previous roller coaster or two, Jones/Rodney...Tigers might need a new closer. Benoit, Villarreal, both might be over used at time. Coke looks more and more like a lefty specialist, Below is the 'Claude Rains' of the Tigers staff
Bring up Rondon, but if Leyland is back, he wants experience at the 8th/9th innings.
Who?

Valverde has another year on his contract, so he's not leaving. I hope that Benoit's ills can be cured.

 

[tomdalton22]

Can't piece meal these guys. They either all go or all stay.



Eric Young Junior is someone I like. His career #s are not that eye-popping, but he's better than any one the Tigers have in the corners. And he plays 2B as well. Just a cursory look at the the guy, but he wouldn't hurt.



Markakis is the guy I'd want and the O's locked him up throuh '14, they are on the rise and he's one of the reasons why, so I don't think the Tigers win that trade.



We're I the Rangers Stetson Hats, I'd look for a reason to keep them both. Andrus is only 23.



A five-starter is a five starter and you're likely going to get those numbers with no matter who fills that slot. I'm not ready to give up on Porcello yet. He's only 23.



Valverde has another year on his contract, so he's not leaving. I hope that Benoit's ills can be cured.

Valverde is a FA after this season.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Tigers aren't going to be paying 4 players 90-100 mill a year for 5+ years.

Possibly but how do you know? Most thought 2 players was enough.

 

[byco42]

Valverde is a FA after this season.

Thanks ... got my years wrong. I'm against paying a kings' ransom for his option and I'd look elsewhere.

Casey Janssen is a closer that I'd like to see in a Tigers' uniform. If/when Santos returns the Jays will have some leverage and a dilemma on their hands.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I am pretty sure the poster meant that kiss them goodbye after their contracts are up in '14 & '15. Anyway....this team has way too many holes in it. Spending $20 million to fill one hole while creating more (have to replace Peralta & Valverde) simply doesn't make any sense.

I think we can add Hamilton, cut bait on the guys I said, and trade away the other ones I mentioned and have a better team for the same or less salary that can compete for at least three more years.

Why does everybody act like we've got a hard cap or that we need to carry a bunch of lower priced junk? We've got cheap internal options in Dirks, Castellanos, Villareal, Alburquerque, Rondon, Smyly, etc. The only holes that really need to be filled are one corner OF, a better defensive SS, and one starter. One of those should be a big impact signing if you want to go for a World Series. With the current market, Hamilton would be my pick. Dirks can fill the other corner OF spot. One of the guys signed or in the system can become the closer. We can trade the underperforming guys who are still relatively cheap like Boesch and Porcello away for a SS or a starter, and you can fill the other void with a known commodity in FA. After that, we can start drafting for the future. We'll need a SS and 2B going forward, so draft one. We'll need rotation help, so draft somebody. It isn't rocket science.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think we can add Hamilton, cut bait on the guys I said, and trade away the other ones I mentioned and have a better team for the same or less salary that can compete for at least three more years.

Why does everybody act like we've got a hard cap or that we need to carry a bunch of lower priced junk? We've got cheap internal options in Dirks, Castellanos, Villareal, Alburquerque, Rondon, Smyly, etc. The only holes that really need to be filled are one corner OF, a better defensive SS, and one starter. One of those should be a big impact signing if you want to go for a World Series. With the current market, Hamilton would be my pick. Dirks can fill the other corner OF spot. One of the guys signed or in the system can become the closer. We can trade the underperforming guys who are still relatively cheap like Boesch and Porcello away for a SS or a starter, and you can fill the other void with a known commodity in FA. After that, we can start drafting for the future. We'll need a SS and 2B going forward, so draft one. We'll need rotation help, so draft somebody. It isn't rocket science.

Of course there is no hard cap...but there is a ceiling that management isn't willing to go over. If there wasn't the Tigers would currently have $20 million players at every position...wouldn't they? This isn't fantasy baseball.....they are also trying to run a business.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't want J\Hamilton anyway even if we have a 300m cap. Lets get some young arb eligible cheap solid ball players.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Of course there is no hard cap...but there is a ceiling that management isn't willing to go over. If there wasn't the Tigers would currently have $20 million players at every position...wouldn't they? This isn't fantasy baseball.....they are also trying to run a business.

Don't be a dumb shit. I'm sure you thought they wouldn't have more than 2 20m guys and then bam, Fielder. You all make it sound like you know for sure what MI will do.

 

[tomdalton22]

Don't be a dumb shit. I'm sure you thought they wouldn't have more than 2 20m guys and then bam, Fielder. You all make it sound like you know for sure what MI will do.

coming from the king of dumb shits!

 

[Mitchrapp]

coming from the king of dumb shits!

Thanks.