Why not brandin cooks at 10

[dtroitlionsfan951]

I'm trying to figure out why this guy isn't being considered more. 5'11 isn't extremely small for a reciever. He's only 20. His production was huge, biletnikov winner, and awesome combine. Where is the downside other than being "slightly" small?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm trying to figure out why this guy isn't being considered more. 5'11 isn't extremely small for a reciever. He's only 20. His production was huge, biletnikov winner, and awesome combine. Where is the downside other than being "slightly" small?

This is more of a Raider pick..5'11 might not be extremely small but for the 10th pick I'd want someone bigger..

 

[mhughes0021]

was 5'11'' his combine height? cause I could see 5'11'' being his program height....dude looks like a midget. Anyways....if we take another undersized "slot" wr in the high rounds and think its going to change anything I just might have to become a charger fan. titus, broyles, Thomas, nate....how many slot receivers do we need to go thru until they realize they need a legit #2 on the outside in order to make this offense work.

 

[lgolfer]

Cooks measured in at 5-9 3/4 and 189 pounds at the combine. In other words, he could be a very good slot receiver. He's not a #2 WR who will line up outside a lot. He's known to be a very bad blocker and shies away from blocking when he can. While a slot WR would help, the Lions need a #2 WR with good size. Cooks would not be a good choice at #10 in my opinion.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

They are starting tp throw steve smith/desean jackson comparisons. A stronger tavon austin even. He's a way better athlete than broyles or titus were. Also, the lions problems are not small slot recievers. It is titus being crazy and broyles tearing his legs apart. Once again however neither titus nor broyles were on this kids level.

 

[lgolfer]

They are starting tp throw steve smith/desean jackson comparisons. A stronger tavon austin even. He's a way better athlete than broyles or titus were. Also, the lions problems are not small slot recievers. It is titus being crazy and broyles tearing his legs apart. Once again however neither titus nor broyles were on this kids level.

Steve Smith, despite being the same size as Cooks, is a much more physical receiver and is a good blocker. Cooks is a very bad blocker. Desean Jackson might be a better comparison, but who knows? Also, who is putting up Steve Smith/Desean Jackson comparisons?

There's a reason Cooks isn't being mocked to the Lions at #10. The highest I can find him being drafted in any mock draft is #18. Even if the Lions traded down to the early 20s or late teens, I'd rather have Jordan Matthews than Brandin Cooks, not because Cooks is a bad player, but Matthews fit the profile of a good #2 WR more. Matthews is 6'3" and 212 lbs, is a very smart and mature guy who stayed all 4 years at Vanderbilt, and also ran a 4.46 at the combine.

 

[lucke]

Steve Smith, despite being the same size as Cooks, is a much more physical receiver and is a good blocker. Cooks is a very bad blocker. Desean Jackson might be a better comparison, but who knows? Also, who is putting up Steve Smith/Desean Jackson comparisons?

There's a reason Cooks isn't being mocked to the Lions at #10. The highest I can find him being drafted in any mock draft is #18. Even if the Lions traded down to the early 20s or late teens, I'd rather have Jordan Matthews than Brandin Cooks, not because Cooks is a bad player, but Matthews fit the profile of a good #2 WR more. Matthews is 6'3" and 212 lbs, is a very smart and mature guy who stayed all 4 years at Vanderbilt, and also ran a 4.46 at the combine.

this... i've been saying it for a while. Jordan Matthews is my guy at 10. last month is seemed like this would be a massive reach, but now, we know he won't be there in the 2nd, and i'd rather take him than Evans for his overall maturity (on field with route running, off field with no incidents). if Meyhew/Xanders like the kid, gotta pull the trigger when you can, because he won't drop too much further.

 

[lgolfer]

this... i've been saying it for a while. Jordan Matthews is my guy at 10. last month is seemed like this would be a massive reach, but now, we know he won't be there in the 2nd, and i'd rather take him than Evans for his overall maturity (on field with route running, off field with no incidents). if Meyhew/Xanders like the kid, gotta pull the trigger when you can, because he won't drop too much further.

As much as I like Matthews, taking him at #10 wouldn't be good value. If we really want him, the Lions need to trade down in the 1st round, even if we're only getting an extra 3rd or 4th rounder. The highest I've seen him taken in a mock draft so far is the 26th pick.

If we pick at #10, Justin Gilbert + 2nd round WR > Jordan Matthews + any 2nd rounder

 

[mhughes0021]

As much as I like Matthews, taking him at #10 wouldn't be good value. If we really want him, the Lions need to trade down in the 1st round, even if we're only getting an extra 3rd or 4th rounder. The highest I've seen him taken in a mock draft so far is the 26th pick.

If we pick at #10, Justin Gilbert + 2nd round WR > Jordan Matthews + any 2nd rounder

trade down to 15- 20 would be ideal if your target is Matthews. Even if some team snags him before us we would still have plenty of BPA/need options on the board at that point plus an additional pick: Haha, Pryor, Evans, Dennard. And as golfer mentioned even if you swing and miss on Matthews after a trade down there will still be plenty of talent in round 2 to take a Need pick at WR. Im still hoping for gilbert if no trades happen. Im all for trades up or down this year to fill our immediate needs. Trade up for Watkins or down for Matthews...totally fine with it. That's a perfect world...if they feel Matthews is their guy and take him at 10.....while I agree the value isn't perfect.....I wouldn't hate the pick. Id rather have Matthews than Evans.

 

[motown1958]

If you stay at 10 and have Gilbert and Evans looking you in the face you can pull the trigger on either one and immediately improve your team. But with a trade back to the mid first for a guy like Matthews I would worry a bit with his consistency. A lot of his big games came against mediocre teams as well as his lack of separation which has been an issue as well as drops which were pretty evident at the senior bowl. I like him but I don't think he is an immediate impact/game changer right out of the gates, he also could be a complete miss. If we go wr then we need to go big and fast and I like Evans even more than I like Watkins. I think you need to do less to get him open in 1 on 1 situations. Some guys need to be moved around to create space but I think Evans is the guy that can be both a big body possession and a homerun threat. We need guys that can meet that man in front of him and I would rather not risk getting another guy that needs a perfect throw or a great play by him to make the play. Not saying Matthews isn't good but I am not sure its worth the sacrifice of a top prospect. If however we get offered a swap of 1's and a 2nd for that 10 spot then you can take a look because you can grab a wr or cb in mid 1 and have 2 2nds which could be a bunch of high quality pieces.

 

[tonyballs]

When I watched the WRs at the combine, Cooks looked like the cleanest most fluid WR out there. A pure natural, better than Watkins IMO. He just looked the part. But at #10? I just can't see it....

 

[jared]

Its a no for me. Just because he spells his first name incorrectly.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

I should clarify, I think watkins and evans both go off the board before us. It's just a feeling. That is the scenario in which I consider cooks.

 

[lgolfer]

I should clarify, I think watkins and evans both go off the board before us. It's just a feeling. That is the scenario in which I consider cooks.

I just don't think even with Watkins and Evans off the board that Cooks should be taken at #10. He's not big enough or physical enough to be a #2 and the value wouldn't be there. For example, in McShay's latest draft he has Cooks getting drafted at #26. And that's been pretty consistent in other mock drafts as well. If a guy will be there in the 20s, why would a team take him at #10?

 

[mhughes0021]

I just don't think even with Watkins and Evans off the board that Cooks should be taken at #10. He's not big enough or physical enough to be a #2 and the value wouldn't be there. For example, in McShay's latest draft he has Cooks getting drafted at #26. And that's been pretty consistent in other mock drafts as well. If a guy will be there in the 20s, why would a team take him at #10?

good answer....and again...if I was going to just pick the next WR off the board without concern of value itd be Matthews over cooks in a heartbeat.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

good answer....and again...if I was going to just pick the next WR off the board without concern of value itd be Matthews over cooks in a heartbeat.

I like matthews. But aren't you the person who bitches about the lions doing dumb things and not being fundamentally sound? Yet you want a reciever who has inconsistent hands and is known for drops?

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Jordan Matthews=Roy Williams. Maybe slightly better.

 

[mhughes0021]

I like matthews. But aren't you the person who bitches about the lions doing dumb things and not being fundamentally sound? Yet you want a reciever who has inconsistent hands and is known for drops?

The very principle of reaching for a WR at 10 is dumb. So I was just referring to your hypothetical situation of still picking one at 10. If that was the case id want Matthews over cooks. If im sticking at 10 and not moving up or down my pick would be gilbert.

 

[zyxt9]

What about Gilbert at 10 then doing Mathews patented trade up from R2 back into later R1 to get Matthews.

Not saying this is my ideal, just saying I can see Mayhew doing it...again

 

[mhughes0021]

What about Gilbert at 10 then doing Mathews patented trade up from R2 back into later R1 to get Matthews.

Not saying this is my ideal, just saying I can see Mayhew doing it...again

That'd be a very good draft imo.