Why not brandin cooks at 10

[Mitchrapp]

I'm curious what's the difference between raw and project?

 

[kmd47]

"Analysis: Thomas has been at terrific receiver at Georgia Tech the past three years and produced in their run oriented offense. He plays faster than his 40 time and has all the skills necessary to be a number one wide out for an NFL franchise."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/56452.html

Really sounds like they thought he was a project and didn't produce.... It doesn't matter what argument anyone ever brings up against you hughes. You're just a scrum bag who needs to get the fuck off their high horse, stop insulting people at every turn, and learn some self humility you piece of shit. I'm not saying not one annalist didn't call him a project because I'm sure there were a few but far more said he was ready for the nfl would just have to learn to run the routes AKA RAW. I see where you think in your think fucking head that that constitutes a project but it doesn't. You just can NEVER be wrong or see any other persons side of a discussion without it becoming an argument can you? And yes I have watched every draft for the past 15 years thanks for asking buddy. Do you remember Thomas having a broken foot pre-draft? Think that may have had something to do with him falling. But no you don't mention that, it was his lack of production and him being a project.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'm curious what's the difference between raw and project?

Raw is a player that has talent but needs time to get that player to a point where he can produce.

A project is a player that is talented but needs time to get that player to a point where he can produce.

It's so obvious!

 

[kmd47]

I'm curious what's the difference between raw and project?

Raw can step in and start right away with a learning curve and have a high impact immediately which is what Thomas basically did. He came in and proved he could learn and run multiple routes and got to play. Project basically theoretically wouldn't be projected to start year one or two or have much impact first few years aka growing into body or learning new position. I do agree we are arguing apples and oranges, just pisses me off you're boy always is right.

 

[mhughes0021]

Raw can step in and start right away with a learning curve and have a high impact immediately which is what Thomas basically did. He came in and proved he could learn and run multiple routes and got to play. Project basically theoretically wouldn't be projected to start year one or two or have much impact first few years aka growing into body or learning new position. I do agree we are arguing apples and oranges, just pisses me off you're boy always is right.

Its not about being wrong and right...its about having a smart well thought out argument based on fact....or being dumb...like you and all of your arguments.

 

[kmd47]

You can't say something is a fact when you're making it up and have nothing to back it up. I'm not going to say you don't know football, because obviously you wouldn't be on here if you didn't. It just pisses me off you shit on everyone else when they disagree with you instead of intellectually talking it out you call the person names and belittle them and say they don't know anything about football and don't watch it, when you in fact know nothing about anyone on here. Take your own advice bud and think about what the fuck you say before you do because you tend to contradict yourself.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Raw is a player that has talent but needs time to get that player to a point where he can produce.

A project is a player that is talented but needs time to get that player to a point where he can produce.

It's so obvious!

Lol.

 

[mhughes0021]

You can't say something is a fact when you're making it up and have nothing to back it up. I'm not going to say you don't know football, because obviously you wouldn't be on here if you didn't. It just pisses me off you shit on everyone else when they disagree with you instead of intellectually talking it out you call the person names and belittle them and say they don't know anything about football and don't watch it, when you in fact know nothing about anyone on here. Take your own advice bud and think about what the fuck you say before you do because you tend to contradict yourself.

it pisses me off when you guys want to argue about every little thing I say like "Demaryius Thomas was labled a project"..... something very miniscule that should not even be a discussion and you 2 numbnuts turn it into world war 3 and attach a bunch of name calling and flaming. Then you dumb it down by saying the exact same things im saying to try to argue against me but just tweak it a liiiiiiittle bit to try to prove like you know what ur talking about. For example...I say he wasn't very productive because he was in a triple option offense. Something....very well known for NOT being a passing offense. Or even better....I say he was a project and you come back with saying "no way scumbag....hes raw blah blah blah." dumbest shit ever lol...

 

[mhughes0021]

You can't say something is a fact when you're making it up and have nothing to back it up. I'm not going to say you don't know football, because obviously you wouldn't be on here if you didn't. It just pisses me off you shit on everyone else when they disagree with you instead of intellectually talking it out you call the person names and belittle them and say they don't know anything about football and don't watch it, when you in fact know nothing about anyone on here. Take your own advice bud and think about what the fuck you say before you do because you tend to contradict yourself.

you've called me "scumbag" in every post you've wrote for close to a week....do you think I care if I call you names in response to that. Do you not expect it? do you not know how life works?

 

[cheeno]

I'm curious what's the difference between raw and project?

This was exactly what I was thinking. Now we're arguing over semantics.

 

[lucke]

This was exactly what I was thinking. Now we're arguing over semantics.

i think that KMD was right about the differences.

Raw - talented, but unproven (Ansah); can step in right away
Project - needs a few years (Willie Young) to really learn how to master his craft (or a position change)

last year, everyone was saying how raw Ansah was, but nobody ever threw out the "project" label on him.

 

[mhughes0021]

i think that KMD was right about the differences.

Raw - talented, but unproven (Ansah); can step in right away
Project - needs a few years (Willie Young) to really learn how to master his craft (or a position change)

last year, everyone was saying how raw Ansah was, but nobody ever threw out the "project" label on him.

Fair enough....but I could also challenge the statement that Thomas did take a couple years. it took until his 3rd year to have a "breakout" type season....not to mention that just so happened to align with some dude named Peyton Manning throwing him the football. Hes one of the best in the game right now going into his 5th year in the league. If people thought that of him coming out of college....he would have went where calvin did. So....he doesn't really fit into your definition of "raw" cause he didn't just step in right away and produce at the NFL level.

22 receptions for 283 yards and 2 touchdowns
32 receptions for 551 yards and 4 touchdowns
94 receptions for 1,434 yards and 10 touchdowns
92 catches for 1430 yards and 14 touchdowns

 

[lucke]

Fair enough....but I could also challenge the statement that Thomas did take a couple years. it took until his 3rd year to have a "breakout" type season....not to mention that just so happened to align with some dude named Peyton Manning throwing him the football. Hes one of the best in the game right now going into his 5th year in the league. If people thought that of him coming out of college....he would have went where calvin did. So....he doesn't really fit into your definition of "raw" cause he didn't just step in right away and produce at the NFL level.

22 receptions for 283 yards and 2 touchdowns
32 receptions for 551 yards and 4 touchdowns
94 receptions for 1,434 yards and 10 touchdowns
92 catches for 1430 yards and 14 touchdowns

i'm not trying to argue about Thomas... i could care less... i was just pointing out that there is in fact a difference between the two classifications

 

[motown1958]

I watched some highlights on Evans the other day. He has some really good traits....but he has some bad ones too. I wouldn't mind him opposite CJ......but not at 10. I think you can get better players at other positions of need at that spot.

The good (that I saw)....

Uses his body really well. Shields off defenders and stretches out his arms to make catches when guys are draped on him.

Good runner after the catch for his size. Great stiff arm. Calvinesque. Little guys just cant get to him if he has a chance to cradle the ball and use his other arm.

Fast for his size. Beat a lot of guys that are probably faster than him because he surprised them.

Catches the ball over his shoulder well.

High points the ball well and does it without pushing off.



The bad (that I saw)....

Catches balls with his body WAY too often.

Looked for as much tape as I could on him. NONE of the highlights that I saw showed him beating his man with a good route. NONE. That's scary to me. He's going to HAVE to do that at the next level.

Too many highlights where Manziel makes the play and he just has to catch the ball.

Not gonna run 9 routes past NFL CB's on a consistent basis. Doesn't have the speed.

Good when a play breaks down, but only seems to want to go deep. Doesn't come back to ball well at all.

Overall, I wouldn't be upset with the pick.......but there seems to be better options available at 10.

Yea I went and watched his highlights too but I came back with a slightly different opinion. I think he can come in and be a possession guy a lot like Amani Toomer. He has a knack for getting open and uses his body well to shield. Isn't a deep threat but can produce good YAC. I do think Manziel probably inflated his numbers but there were times where he was open but the ball was late and he had to make a great play. I like his ability to adjust and make a play on high throws especially with our QB because he loves the jump ball. I agree that he catches a bit to much with his body but he secures it and had a pretty good catch rate.

I know I'm in the minority but I like his ability more than a guy like Matthews. I think Matthews produced a lot against more sub par teams than he did in their big games. I couldn't find a highlight of him making a bunch of plays against the better defenses in the SEC. That might mean that he couldn't make the plays or maybe that the team couldn't make the plays when he was open, idk which.

I also can't say that a possession receiver is worth a number 10 pick but with the addition of Tate and what we already have a chain mover would be a nice addition. To many weapons to cover is never a bad choice. You can never have to many guys that can settle into holes in the zone.

 

[motown1958]

Fair enough....but I could also challenge the statement that Thomas did take a couple years. it took until his 3rd year to have a "breakout" type season....not to mention that just so happened to align with some dude named Peyton Manning throwing him the football. Hes one of the best in the game right now going into his 5th year in the league. If people thought that of him coming out of college....he would have went where calvin did. So....he doesn't really fit into your definition of "raw" cause he didn't just step in right away and produce at the NFL level.

22 receptions for 283 yards and 2 touchdowns
32 receptions for 551 yards and 4 touchdowns
94 receptions for 1,434 yards and 10 touchdowns
92 catches for 1430 yards and 14 touchdowns

Its not really fair to judge him because he also tore an achilles and missed games and struggled coming back from an absolutely devastating injury. One of the hardest injuries to come back from. So i think he was always a talented guy but definitely had to learn the position and get healthy.

 

[tonyballs]

This was exactly what I was thinking. Now we're arguing over semantics.

Maybe, but in my eyes the two are totally different. MY examples....

Raw - A kid that has alllll the potential in the world. A kid that can be coached up and has untapped talent. He's got that edge over a player who is a project for example. You can usually take a chance right away with him because he just has that natural ability.

Project - Usually a kid who is drafted in the later rounds. A kid that might not make it and needs more work on the field, in the filmroom. Might need a little more one-on-ones. Going to take longer to develop if you develop him at all.

Just that slight difference IMO. Hence, i'd rather have the kid with RAW ability over a PROJECT who will probably be selling insurance in a couple of months.

 

[mhughes0021]

Maybe, but in my eyes the two are totally different. MY examples....

Raw - A kid that has alllll the potential in the world. A kid that can be coached up and has untapped talent. He's got that edge over a player who is a project for example. You can usually take a chance right away with him because he just has that natural ability.

Project - Usually a kid who is drafted in the later rounds. A kid that might not make it and needs more work on the field, in the filmroom. Might need a little more one-on-ones. Going to take longer to develop if you develop him at all.

Just that slight difference IMO. Hence, i'd rather have the kid with RAW ability over a PROJECT who will probably be selling insurance in a couple of months.

so to bring this back full circle and actually relate it to something pertinent.....im not using a #10 pick on someone raw or project at the WR position when I feel you can get plenty of talent at that position in rds 2 or 3 and theres several options at 10 at other positions of need. I don't view Evans as someone that's just "raw" that is going to turn into demaryius Thomas in 4 years. I cant predict the future....but I just don't see the athleticism of a demaryius Thomas type player....or the speed.

look at other top 10 WRs recently (not picked by the raiders) and I don't think its even a comparison.

 

[tonyballs]

so to bring this back full circle and actually relate it to something pertinent.....im not using a #10 pick on someone raw or project at the WR position when I feel you can get plenty of talent at that position in rds 2 or 3 and theres several options at 10 at other positions of need. I don't view Evans as someone that's just "raw" that is going to turn into demaryius Thomas in 4 years. I cant predict the future....but I just don't see the athleticism of a demaryius Thomas type player....or the speed.

look at other top 10 WRs recently (not picked by the raiders) and I don't think its even a comparison.

Evans is the real deal in my eyes though. Well worth the #10 overall. And he has crazy athletic ability. The way he can adjust himself and use his height is uncanny. He might not be as explosive as D. Thomas but he has his abilities.

I just love the kid. Too bad the Bills are snapping him up at #9. lol

 

[mhughes0021]

Evans is the real deal in my eyes though. Well worth the #10 overall. And he has crazy athletic ability. The way he can adjust himself and use his height is uncanny. He might not be as explosive as D. Thomas but he has his abilities.

I just love the kid. Too bad the Bills are snapping him up at #9. lol

im kinda pissed the bills cant ever keep any of their players. I was starting to like them to overtake the pats. NFL should step in and put Whitner and Byrd back on the bills like when the NBA vetoed Chris Paul to the lakers lol.

 

[kmd47]

Shoot if you were stuck in buffalo for a few years, I'm sure you would want out too lol. Plus those two got paid when they left. I hated when they traded
beast mode, that's when I stopped liking them.