Yoenis Cespedes - Cuban CF

[Mitchrapp]

Because Raburn doesn't hit for 3 months. As much as BB has been inconsistent he's still young and learning. Not a soon to be 31 year old that drives you nuts. Don't you get sick of Raburn when he goes 4-72 in a month? And no he doesn't have a better arm.

 

[jimrice]

Mitch[/color]]Because Raburn doesn't hit for 3 months. As much as BB has been inconsistent he's still young and learning. Not a soon to be 31 year old that drives you nuts. Don't you get sick of Raburn when he goes 4-72 in a month? And no he doesn't have a better arm.

All defensive metrics have Raburn with a better arm. That's more trustworthy than the info that comes out of your ass.

 

[kalinecountry]

Mitch[/color]]BB has a better arm too. Plus you can shorten his name to BB. You can't call Raburn RR, people will think Rich Rod instead.

Raburn has a much better arm than Boesch.

Why does this board have such a hard time being objective about Raburn? Or why is there such a love affair with Boesch?

Neither is really good, more like average barely in the outfield mix,
both will take a bad read on a fly, look at how often either will go back a step or two and then come in, or come in a step or two and then go back, they have what I call 'tangle feet cha cha', but imo both have at least somewhat good throwing arms.
and I do think Delmon is more of a 'gimp' in left than mudhen.
Just my take, guys can defend one or the other, they just aren't complete defensively.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And as far as defense, Raburn had a -.6 war one year. So did BB. Raburn had a .1 one year. So did BB. You can't assume BB will repeat the -.6.

 

[kalinecountry]

The agent for soon-to-be free agent center fielder Yoenis Cespedes is telling teams he'll require twice what fellow Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman received. That would be, $60MM.

 

[Mitchrapp]

All I know is BB improved from his rook year to last year. And maybe he does again? Raburn on the other hand has not.

 

[jimrice]

KalineCountry[/color]]

Raburn has a much better arm than Boesch.

Why does this board have such a hard time being objective about Raburn? Or why is there such a love affair with Boesch?

Neither is really good, more like average barely in the outfield mix,
both will take a bad read on a fly, look at how often either will go back a step or two and then come in, or come in a step or two and then go back, they have what I call 'tangle feet cha cha', but imo both have at least somewhat good throwing arms.
and I do think Delmon is more of a 'gimp' in left than mudhen.
Just my take, guys can defend one or the other, they just aren't complete defensively.

Absolutely agree. Raburn is , at best, average in left.

Delmon is horrible. One of the worst.

Boesch is below average. UZR is not the greatest stat, but Boesch is absolutely brutal according to UZR. It's, at the very least, an indication of poor play.

I believe that people just want to love Boesch, and prefer to ignore his short comings. They complain about Raburn being streaky, but somehow Boesch being bad for two straight second halves are because he was a rookie and because he was injured. We're looking at similar players. I prefer to look at them as objectively as possible.

 

[Mitchrapp]

KalineCountry[/color]]

Neither is really good, more like average barely in the outfield mix,
both will take a bad read on a fly, look at how often either will go back a step or two and then come in, or come in a step or two and then go back, they have what I call 'tangle feet cha cha', but imo both have at least somewhat good throwing arms.
and I do think Delmon is more of a 'gimp' in left than mudhen.
Just my take, guys can defend one or the other, they just aren't complete defensively.

Absolutely agree. Raburn is , at best, average in left.

Delmon is horrible. One of the worst.

Boesch is below average. UZR is not the greatest stat, but Boesch is absolutely brutal according to UZR. It's, at the very least, an indication of poor play.

I believe that people just want to love Boesch, and prefer to ignore his short comings. They complain about Raburn being streaky, but somehow Boesch being bad for two straight second halves are because he was a rookie and because he was injured. We're looking at similar players. I prefer to look at them as objectively as possible.

Because he's shown flashes. And being he hasn't been in the big long he gets the benefit of the doubt and I think he should just like Porcello.

 

[mjsb2]

Raburn absolutely has a better arm than Boesch.

It's not even close either.

Boesch arm is nonexistent.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well I know BB has way more assist than Raburn has. Take it for what its worth. But I've seen him make some great throws out there. I never see Raburn with a great throw.

 

[mjsb2]

Assist don't tell you that much about arm strength.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well it tells you a little. I mean he's not girl throwing it in, no offense to the ladies on here. My wife has an arm like a rifle.

 

[mjsb2]

I've never seen Boesch make a thrown that would suggest his arm is more than average.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think its more than just pure strength. He makes some good throws.

 

[tonyballs]

So we all agree that Raburn, Maggs and Boesch are butchers in the OF? Good!! Now, go get this Cespedes guy....asap.

 

[spockmaster]

Mitch[/color]]

Absolutely agree. Raburn is , at best, average in left.

Delmon is horrible. One of the worst.

Boesch is below average. UZR is not the greatest stat, but Boesch is absolutely brutal according to UZR. It's, at the very least, an indication of poor play.

I believe that people just want to love Boesch, and prefer to ignore his short comings. They complain about Raburn being streaky, but somehow Boesch being bad for two straight second halves are because he was a rookie and because he was injured. We're looking at similar players. I prefer to look at them as objectively as possible.

Because he's shown flashes. And being he hasn't been in the big long he gets the benefit of the doubt and I think he should just like Porcello.

raburn has shown flashes too, more often and for longer periods than boesch. he was on fire most of august and sept and hit well in july, and this is the third year in a row he's done this.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]

Because he's shown flashes. And being he hasn't been in the big long he gets the benefit of the doubt and I think he should just like Porcello.

raburn has shown flashes too, more often and for longer periods than boesch. he was on fire most of august and sept and hit well in july, and this is the third year in a row he's done this.

He's 31 or will be with more ML years. He is what he is. BB could turn into something good.

 

[Rebbiv]

Mitch[/color]]And as far as defense, Raburn had a -.6 war one year. So did BB. Raburn had a .1 one year. So did BB. You can't assume BB will repeat the -.6.

Defensive WAR takes into account all positions played. In this regard, Raburn's includes 2B and 3B. Not a good comparision stat.

Now, percent of baserunners held last 2 years LF

Boesch 92-137 67.2%

Raburn 79-119 66.4%

Young 218-344 63.2%


MLB LF AVG 64.1%


Percent baserunners thrown out trying to advance

Boesch 4-41 9.8%

Raburn 3-37 8.1%

Young 10-119 8.4%


Percentage of Balls Fielded that resulted in outs

Raburn 54.4%

Boesch 45.5%

Young 43.9%

MLB AVG 47.0%



So, we can all agree that Young is below average. Boesch issues isn't with throwing, it is getting to the balls. Raburn may make some cringe, but he is way above average as to getting to balls.

 

[thehippo73]

I think a lot is riding on whether the Tigers sign Cespedes. If the Tigers get him, that makes A-Jax available. I read somewhere that Oakland really likes A-Jax. A-Jax would hopefully be the centerpiece of a Gio Gonzalez deal. Maybe I am completely off.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think a lot is riding on whether the Tigers sign Cespedes. If the Tigers get him, that makes A-Jax available. I read somewhere that Oakland really likes A-Jax. A-Jax would hopefully be the centerpiece of a Gio Gonzalez deal. Maybe I am completely off.

Aj? Why not have this guy play a corner position and get rid of the Raburn/DY situation? Seems more reasonable. And OF defense gets that much better.