Youre the GM

[jared]

Just playing with the Cap Simulator here were my transactions:

Some are June 1st...
Cut Delmas
Cut Burleson
Cut Houston
Cut Jason Jones
Cut Leroy Harris
Cut CJ Mosely
Cut Montel Owens
Cut Broyles
Cut Corey Greenwood
Cut DeJon Gomes
Cut Travis Lewis
Cut Akwasi Owosu Ansah
Extend Suh
Extend Dominic Raiola
Extend Don Muhlback
Extend Brandon Pettigrew
Extend Willie Young
RFA Bell (2)
RFA Durham (Original)
ERFA Greenwood
ERFA Ross

Need to look at some FAs but I got $30 mil to spend.

I'm on board with most of this.

What does the cap savings look like if we keep Ansah. I'd be hesitant to give up on him after spending a high first rounder on him.

I also would think about cutting Pettigrew if the number wasn't a cap killer.

 

[grandy]

I'm on board with most of this.

What does the cap savings look like if we keep Ansah. I'd be hesitant to give up on him after spending a high first rounder on him.

I also would think about cutting Pettigrew if the number wasn't a cap killer.

That's a different Ansah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwasi_Owusu-Ansah

And Pettigrew is a FA this off-season

 

[LKP]

I'm on board with most of this.

What does the cap savings look like if we keep Ansah. I'd be hesitant to give up on him after spending a high first rounder on him.

I also would think about cutting Pettigrew if the number wasn't a cap killer.

Pettigrew is a free agent.

15 million dead for Ansah or 4.2 million cap number if he is on the team. Would be beyond dumb to cut Ansah.

 

[derrydancingclown]

Anyone who says we should trade these guys is fucking stupid. Suh and Megatron are proven commodities, and you never know what a draft pick will turn into. Plus the money it would cost the Lions just to see them excel on another team, fucking stupid. Stafford was garbage the last seven games of the season and cost this team a playoff spot but he has proven that he can be a star. Before we give up on him let's see what a real coaching staff can do to help him. If you start trading these guys away we will be worse than the 2008 team. Do we really want to go through that rebuild again when we are close to being the team we all want? Quit being fucking stupid.

 

[cheeno]

I'm on board with most of this.

What does the cap savings look like if we keep Ansah. I'd be hesitant to give up on him after spending a high first rounder on him.

I also would think about cutting Pettigrew if the number wasn't a cap killer.

Yeah as posted above, different Ansah. Who knew. I brought back Pettigrew because I think he has value and will return fairly cheap. If not though he is replaceable for sure. After those moves it opens up $30 mil, but you need to sign a lot of guys to fill out the roster. Give some wiggle room for the staff to bring in their own guys. I think we may be targeting Eddie Royal if he doesn't restructure to stay in SD. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing, just see it as one guy the Wiz would bring with him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Anyone who says we should trade these guys is fucking stupid. Suh and Megatron are proven commodities, and you never know what a draft pick will turn into. Plus the money it would cost the Lions just to see them excel on another team, fucking stupid. Stafford was garbage the last seven games of the season and cost this team a playoff spot but he has proven that he can be a star. Before we give up on him let's see what a real coaching staff can do to help him. If you start trading these guys away we will be worse than the 2008 team. Do we really want to go through that rebuild again when we are close to being the team we all want? Quit being fucking stupid.

Good players get let go all the time. You can't do it now with the dead money but don't act like we have to keep them forever.

Granted, I have no faith in Mayhew drafting well to sustain it..

 

[biggunsbob]

So what we are saying really is that we own the Big 3 a lot of money.. I say we ask all three of them if they want to win they should restructure their contracts just a TAD to see if it can free up some money..

then will see which of the three really want to lead and win...

Trading all of them now is just waving the red flag.. We can't do it...

 

[LKP]

So what we are saying really is that we own the Big 3 a lot of money.. I say we ask all three of them if they want to win they should restructure their contracts just a TAD to see if it can free up some money..

then will see which of the three really want to lead and win...

Trading all of them now is just waving the red flag.. We can't do it...

A Suh extension similar to Geno Atkins frees up some money depending on the signing bonus (15 m Atkins) and first year base salary. Calvin could restructure his 5 million base salary like he did last season. Stafford has a low base and the rest guaranteed/previous restructures in his cap number. His 15 million is set for this year and below Cutler and Rodgers cap number.

 

[LKP]

And Stafford really got a 3 year 43 million dollar deal before this season. That last 2 years are unguaranteed fluff base salary (new deal or cut). Compared to Cutlers 3 year 54 milllion. Not Staffords problem there is 8.32 million on his cap number from two previous restructures. That is money the Lions already paid out with their cap credit card in 2011 and 2012. Now it's coming due.


If they never restructured Stafford (to get short term cap relief in 2011 and 2012), Staffords cap number would be 7 million right now based on his new deal.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I like what Chicago did. Not the deal they have Cutler but the fact they waited until his last year..about to become a free agent.

 

[LKP]

I like what Chicago did. Not the deal they have Cutler but the fact they waited until his last year..about to become a free agent.

So you think a year too early for Stafford? We got Stafford for less than Cutler got. And Stafford is a better player. I think Bears waiting meant they had to pay a little more.

And Staffords cap number actually decreases from 2013 to 2014. He had more base salary in 2013 (4 million) compared to 2 million in 2014.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So you think a year too early for Stafford? We got Stafford for less than Cutler got. And Stafford is a better player. I think Bears waiting meant they had to pay a little more.

And Staffords cap number actually decreases from 2013 to 2014. He had more base salary in 2013 (4 million) compared to 2 million in 2014.

It was more about, similar to Gym Shorts, don't extend because of a career year. Not sure they could have signed him to a cheaper dealer but wait until he proves he's a franchise player. I know you won't agree since we have different opinions on Stafford.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It would have left us with more options..

 

[LKP]

It would have left us with more options..

Not really. He extended after free agency was over. He would have had to be extended this year. His cap number would have been massive using the end of his orignal deal right now. We have more cap room right now because they extended Stafford.

http://thenetrat.com/salarycap.html

Click on the 2012 spreadsheet. His number would have been 19.1 million in 2014 instead of 15 million. Lions got more space in 2013 and 2014 with his extension. 2015 is the last year they are really tied to Stafford. The earlier extension gets us free from Stafford sooner actually if he sucks in 2014 and 2015. They would still be extending him right now even after his final 7 games.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Not really. He extended after free agency was over. He would have had to be extended this year. His cap number would have been massive using the end of his orignal deal right now. We have more cap room right now because they extended Stafford.

His extension helped get players for a non playoff team. I rather of had him not extend, we still miss playoffs then future dead money is not as great.

 

[LKP]

His extension helped get players for a non playoff team. I rather of had him not extend, we still miss playoffs then future dead money is not as great.

His extension got us no extra players in 2013. Mathis and McIntosh were very cheap. Quin and Bush were from the Suh restructure in 2013. Staffords 2011 restructure got us Tulloch/Durant/Wright and Houston and Stafford/Suh2012 restructure got us Tulloch long term and Backus/Hill back or Avril franchised. The 2013 Suh and Calvin restructure got us Quin, Bush, Levy back, Houston/Delmas back and Jones.

The cap numbers are still more than manageable and Quin, Levy, Bush and Tulloch are very much worth it long term no matter if we missed the playoffs or not. All 4 of those players help us in 2014 and beyond.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I like most of those players, I just don't like the deal.

 

[LKP]

I like most of those players, I just don't like the deal.

It's a freaking great deal. 3 year 43 milion really. 14.3 average cap number on the new deal numbers. Cutler 18 million average (all new deal money). The only reason he has 17 million and 15 million cap numbers and not 9 million and 7 million cap numbers is because of the two restructures.

Look at Tony Romo, Cutler and Matt Ryan. That is all new deal money in their cap numbers. Stafford is a cheaper new deal money plus 8.3 million from restructures in 2013 and 2014 and like 2 million in restructure money in 2015. Stafford is new deal plus restructures is what you are seeing. It's a great job to be able to have that much restructure money for Stafford and not kill our cap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/matt-ryan/

Stafford's deal was cheap, his restructures make it look not cheap.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's a freaking great deal. 3 year 43 milion really. 14.3 average cap number on the new deal numbers. Cutler 18 million average (all new deal money). The only reason he has 17 million and 15 million cap numbers and not 9 million and 7 million cap numbers is because of the two restructures.

Look at Tony Romo, Cutler and Matt Ryan. That is all new deal money in their cap numbers. Stafford is a cheaper new deal money plus 8.3 million from restructures in 2013 and 2014 and like 2 million in restructure money in 2015. Stafford is new deal plus restructures is what you are seeing. It's a great job to be able to have that much restructure money for Stafford and not kill our cap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/matt-ryan/

Stafford's deal was cheap, his restructures make it look not cheap.

It might be the going rate but imo, he's a average QB making a lot of dough.

 

[LKP]

It might be the going rate but imo, he's a average QB making a lot of dough.

Stafford got less than the going rate. Much less than Romo, Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers and Cutler in new deal money.

Thank the old CBA for even having to restructure him and Suh twice in the first place.