Zack Zenner on IR with cracked ribs and collapsed Lung...

[Mitchrapp]

6 guys over 100 this week, carries from 13 to 22.

Btw, who's bitching. You thought AA was a star in the making and now Zenner. The fact is he hasn't shown anything. Ever thought we had ten different backs getting few carries because none are any good?

 

[zyxt9]

I just do not understand your demands and expectations from ZZ.

What RBs in a pass 1st + run by committee system average 100 YPG???

 

[Mitchrapp]

26 times 4.3 is over 100. all depends on the game. even AP doesn't get 100 yards every game! GASP!!!

Exactly but Zenner will? Or was that not your guarantee. Zenner better than AP, lol.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I just do not understand your demands and expectations from ZZ.

What RBs in a pass 1st + run by committee system average 100 YPG???

I never said he had to get a 100 yards or 5 yards. But you're making it sound like he's a stud and that the OL and OC are holding him back.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I feel like I'm talking to 5 lkp's.. You change your argument every post.

 

[zyxt9]

6 guys over 100 this week, carries from 13 to 22.

Btw, who's bitching. You thought AA was a star in the making and now Zenner. The fact is he hasn't shown anything. Ever thought we had ten different backs getting few carries because none are any good?

Ever realize that ZZ was beginning to separate himself from the pack by the 6th game of the season? Ever thought that maybe as a UDFA, they were steadily increasing his carries, and then as AA began to fumble more frequently, they started to put him in more and by the end of the season ZZ might have been the #1 RB?

We won't know now that he is injured, but you are under the impression ZZ would never amount to anything at all. We will not know more until next year, but the guy was making progress and moving up to the front of the pack.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ever realize that ZZ was beginning to separate himself from the pack by the 6th game of the season? Ever thought that maybe as a UDFA, they were steadily increasing his carries, and then as AA began to fumble more frequently, they started to put him in more and by the end of the season ZZ might have been the #1 RB?

We won't know now that he is injured, but you are under the impression ZZ would never amount to anything at all. We will not know more until next year, but the guy was making progress and moving up to the front of the pack.

You mean separate from Bell and a fumble guy? I would hope so.

And where did I say he would never amount to anything at all? Just point it out. I'm basing his play, well on his play. You are basing it on the fact , in fact I don't know what you're basing it on.

 

[brewer229]

Ever realize that ZZ was beginning to separate himself from the pack by the 6th game of the season? Ever thought that maybe as a UDFA, they were steadily increasing his carries, and then as AA began to fumble more frequently, they started to put him in more and by the end of the season ZZ might have been the #1 RB?

We won't know now that he is injured, but you are under the impression ZZ would never amount to anything at all. We will not know more until next year, but the guy was making progress and moving up to the front of the pack.

Riddick is the only one showing anything this year. Zenner is a guy that you can give a couple carries too. He can run straight into the hole and pick up some yards. He is not a #1 RB in this league. Right now we don't have a #1 RB.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Riddick is the only one showing anything this year. Zenner is a guy that you can give a couple carries too. He can run straight into the hole and pick up some yards. He is not a #1 RB in this league. Right now we don't have a #1 RB.

Matt Stafford. Lol. 4.5 YPC

 

[zyxt9]

I feel like I'm talking to 5 lkp's.. You change your argument every post.

I haven't changed jack. ZZ was steadily improving each week.

I'm not the one criticizing a RB for not getting 10 YPG when he only gets 2 carries. That's just not logical criticism, especially considering he is a UDFA rookie still transitioning to the NFL.

Is the problem that I blew up your complaint that he isn't getting enough YPG???

I just don't get the criticism of the guy. At all. Didn't fumble, had legit YPC and was leading the team in total yards and YPC by W6...AS A UDFA! He had not yet reached his ceiling when he got injured on a freak hit.

Again I ask, what are your specific expectations of the guy that he deserves being criticized? You get upset that anyone blames the OL or the OC, but there isn't a pass 1st O with committee RB that you can name where one of the RBs averages 100 YPG. Sorry, but that means the system the Lions run is not going to produce that average for a RB, even the #1 RB. You demand better YPC, but ZZ was showing improvement each week and removing the low average game vs Ari where he actually led the team in YPC, he was averaging 4.3 YPC. That's solid for a rookie UDFA, not sure how you can argue otherwise.

Are you seriously demanding he average 5.0 YPC in every game??? How many carries will you demand the OC give him even at that rate to meet your demands of still unspecified number of yards per game???

 

[Mitchrapp]

I haven't changed jack. ZZ was steadily improving each week.

I'm not the one criticizing a RB for not getting 10 YPG when he only gets 2 carries. That's just not logical criticism, especially considering he is a UDFA rookie still transitioning to the NFL.

Is the problem that I blew up your complaint that he isn't getting enough YPG???

I just don't get the criticism of the guy. At all. Didn't fumble, had legit YPC and was leading the team in total yards and YPC by W6...AS A UDFA! He had not yet reached his ceiling when he got injured on a freak hit.

Again I ask, what are your specific expectations of the guy that he deserves being criticized? You get upset that anyone blames the OL or the OC, but there isn't a pass 1st O with committee RB that you can name where one of the RBs averages 100 YPG. Sorry, but that means the system the Lions run is not going to produce that average for a RB, even the #1 RB. You demand better YPC, but ZZ was showing improvement each week and removing the low average game vs Ari where he actually led the team in YPC, he was averaging 4.3 YPC. That's solid for a rookie UDFA, not sure how you can argue otherwise.

Are you seriously demanding he average 5.0 YPC in every game??? How many carries will you demand the OC give him even at that rate to meet your demands of still unspecified number of yards per game???

Arizona game, he gets more carries and his YPC goes down. How is that improving? Not demanding anything. Just pointing out that basically he hasn't done a thing.

 

[kdp1980]

Ever realize that ZZ was beginning to separate himself from the pack by the 6th game of the season? Ever thought that maybe as a UDFA, they were steadily increasing his carries, and then as AA began to fumble more frequently, they started to put him in more and by the end of the season ZZ might have been the #1 RB?

I honestly think Abdullah was going to see very little carries the rest of the year, if Zenner hadn't gone down. and seen work on a very small role on receiving downs. Just trying to get him some space to make big plays. But I think the Lions were pretty much done looking at him as a #1 for the time being. ZZ would've started and seen a majority of the carries this week, that seems very clear to me.

 

[zyxt9]

Riddick is the only one showing anything this year. Zenner is a guy that you can give a couple carries too. He can run straight into the hole and pick up some yards. He is not a #1 RB in this league. Right now we don't have a #1 RB.

Yet ZZ was doing better than Riddick...so...I'm confused....what exactly did ZZ need to accomplish to be acceptable in your mind?

 

[Mitchrapp]

More carries doesn't mean good. By attrition he might have got more carries. I expect Winn to be the man now that HOF Zenner is shelved.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yet ZZ was doing better than Riddick...so...I'm confused....what exactly did ZZ need to accomplish to be acceptable in your mind?

Riddick has been used as a WR. And has done some things. Zenner, not so much.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm starting to think you're his Grandpa or something.

 

[zyxt9]

Arizona game, he gets more carries and his YPC goes down. How is that improving? Not demanding anything. Just pointing out that basically he hasn't done a thing.

Yet he led the team in YPC that game, so what is your point? When the OL blocks poorly and the OC sucks donkey dick, what are your expectations???

Who deserved more carries vs Ari? Tell me who did better for the Lions in that game?

You want to cherry pick that game but fail to look at the details behind it. If he doesn't get injured vs Bears, he likely gets close to 10 carries in that game. He averaged 5.0 on the 3 carries, so he might have gotten close to 50 yards.

You still have not provided your demands for what the #1 RB is to produce per game for the Lions.

 

[brewer229]

I haven't changed jack. ZZ was steadily improving each week.

I'm not the one criticizing a RB for not getting 10 YPG when he only gets 2 carries. That's just not logical criticism, especially considering he is a UDFA rookie still transitioning to the NFL.

Is the problem that I blew up your complaint that he isn't getting enough YPG???

I just don't get the criticism of the guy. At all. Didn't fumble, had legit YPC and was leading the team in total yards and YPC by W6...AS A UDFA! He had not yet reached his ceiling when he got injured on a freak hit.

Again I ask, what are your specific expectations of the guy that he deserves being criticized? You get upset that anyone blames the OL or the OC, but there isn't a pass 1st O with committee RB that you can name where one of the RBs averages 100 YPG. Sorry, but that means the system the Lions run is not going to produce that average for a RB, even the #1 RB. You demand better YPC, but ZZ was showing improvement each week and removing the low average game vs Ari where he actually led the team in YPC, he was averaging 4.3 YPC. That's solid for a rookie UDFA, not sure how you can argue otherwise.

Are you seriously demanding he average 5.0 YPC in every game??? How many carries will you demand the OC give him even at that rate to meet your demands of still unspecified number of yards per game???

Take out the Arizona game? That is 59% of his career carries in that game. So you are saying take out the game where he actually got any work. Only focus on the games he got a few carries on fresh legs against defenses that have been playing every play. Gotcha.

Since you are removing the Arizona game, you are basing all this on 7 NFL carries. Brilliant.

We don't know what he is yet, he's cheap and will probably be back next year if he recovers and decides to play. I don't think anyone would want him starting next year as the #1 RB, if he does, we are in trouble.

 

[brewer229]

Isa Abdul-Quddus averaged 30 yards on 1 carry. If he got 10 carries he could put up 300 yards. There is our best RB!

 

[zyxt9]

Riddick has been used as a WR. And has done some things. Zenner, not so much.

Which is why many were saying Riddick should be moved into the slot. Really not sure how Riddick doing things as a receiver means that he is better as a RB running. I never said Riddick shouldn't be the 3rd down back, did I? I never said ZZ should get every carry as the only RB did I?

I just don't understand your demands for a Lions RB in the current system. It appears you want a guy to produce like an All-Pro RB when the system is not configured for that. That is an OC issue, not a RB issue.